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On January 31 2016 07:25 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 06:46 sharkie wrote:On January 31 2016 05:45 Rebs wrote:On January 31 2016 04:37 Pr0wler wrote:On January 31 2016 03:28 Rebs wrote:On January 31 2016 02:29 Pr0wler wrote:On January 31 2016 01:52 Rebs wrote:On January 31 2016 01:24 Pr0wler wrote:
I think Suarez is dead... This is hilarious
Football refs should really start giving yellows for embellishment. Thats to difficult to police, there should however be retroactive punishment in obvious cases. Suarez just sold it as any striker would, you rather he get hit worse and make it really bad ? Now thats pretty Morbid. Wont make Real a better team to put Barca players in jail and the sick bed. But ooookkkk... I mean look at that.. https://streamable.com/02yv Nope, it's not too difficult to police. NHL does it. I mean look at him... Yeah the foul is reckless and deserves yellow. That doesn't mean that Suarez should roll on the ground like someone just shot him. As far as I can see, his leg is still there... Note that I didn't say shit when Messi was hit, because that hit was actually serious. But hey, lets make it RM againts Barca again... I never said that RM players are not guilty of that. I know you didnt, it was just a cheap shot to match the stupidity of what you were saying. I didnt say RM players were guilty of it either, I just said calling Barca players criminals and cheats wont make Real Madrid a better team. It was in every sense a cheapshot. You should be able to identify these more easily seeing as you employ them with generous frequency. American sports are pretty average at policing that sort of thing and they also kind of have to because heavy contact is a thing in hockey so they have to be mindful. Last I checked body checking someone is not a thing in football. Your comparison is invalid. And thats just the tip of the reasons. Im to lazy to list the rest. Remember I said you can have retro active punishment, I have no problem with that, unless the simulation is so blatantly greivously bad, then sure. But rolling around when you get a shit tackle like that is fine by me. Either way, his reaction was comensurate with the nature of the tackle so I dont see the problem here. Well I can't see how stating the truth is a cheapshot. Barca has two criminals in their starting eleven. Found guilty by a judge. If we punish divers when they are not hit, why are we not punishing them when they are actually hit, but try to embellish the foul and get the opposing player sent off ? The player is cheating in both situations. He is trying to give his team an advantage by misleading the referee. This is illegal in my opinion and should be punished. Retro active actions don't really affect the game. Yeah, the player will be punished... So what ? His team already won the match. You said that it's very hard to police that kind of thing. I gave you hockey as an example of a sport where they are policing it - so it is not "too difficult". Why they are doing it is irellevant. Real Madrid is a pretty good team, no matter what I'm writing in a forum  I'm just having fun. Do you think rolling around three times for that god aweful tackle was embellisment ? I disagree. There are cases for this, this was not one of them. As for retro active actions. Sure they won the match, but severe penalties that can affect you for 3,4,5 games are enough of a dttterrent. Its just that no one has even tried that. You punish divers because they are not hit duhh.. You cant effectively punish people who embellish because you cant know how severe the damage really is. Innocuous kicks have broken legs, feet and ankles, very severe looking ones can cause no damage at all. Its a very very subjective case to make and we have a hard time deciding on what we already have. Your expert opinion in such a case is also "irrelevant". Im sorry but the referee isnt walking around with a portable MRI and X ray machine in his pockets. Its just a book. So yes it is too difficult. It is also too difficult in hockey, but they absolutely have to do it because the contact in the sport is severe. They dont do it because they want to, they do it because they "have to" SO why they do it is plenty relevant. Its very murky and there are things you can and should do and things that you can slow down on that are not really priorities when it comes to things that need fixing. This is not a priority thing no matter how much it might pain your soul everytime someone "embellishes" And I personally am a firm believer that you or anyone who ever complains about players "emebelishing" has never taken a kick in a competitive sporting environment in their life. Especially when the same people probably squeel like little girls everytime they stub their toe on a door frame. But getting kicked around by full bodied men ? Come on MAN UP MOTHERFUCKER !" Japanese never need any sort of playacting or shit like that and I am pretty sure they have taken worse knocks than you did. It is certainly possible to do sports without acting like being shot when you got touched. Well if we are talking about me, and its not me that it brought me up but ill take the opportunity. + Show Spoiler +Actually I lost a college scholarship in my final year of high school varsity, because my knee was dislocated along with multiple tibia and fibia breaks, two very large dudesand a lean guys planted leg. Ever seen your leg below your knee dangling out at 90 degrees ? Its kinda funny cuz your in shock and your trying to figure out how you can still feel your feet and move out around but nothing else. It took 2 years of physio for me to bend it fully and I had 2 hooks in my knee for half that time punched in to pull the broken bone back to the kneecap. The cast went from my ankle all the way up to my balls + Show Spoiler +(which I asked them to cut a bit lower because no one should feel the tragedy of not being able to scratch their balls with all the sweat that forms in those things)
. So at the cost of offering up a sobstory. They probably havent. Also what does Japan have to do with this, is that supposed to be some example of virtue or someat, cuz Americans dont do it either, but that is just as much false bravado as it is a sense of honor or whatever else that crap is? It is certainly possible to do many things. But it is impossible to police embellishment effectively. There is a difference between someone who makes a meal of an actual foul and someone who has not been fouled and is actively cheating. The latter is an issue certainly the former not so much.
You should be ashamed of yourself. You actively defend people acting like they got hurt when they weren't, because the tackle "could have" actually hurt him. acting should ALWAYS be treated like diving because it is essemntialy the same thing. you are one of the people that represent everything that is wrong with football, congrats mate.
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On January 31 2016 12:58 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 07:25 Rebs wrote:On January 31 2016 06:46 sharkie wrote:On January 31 2016 05:45 Rebs wrote:On January 31 2016 04:37 Pr0wler wrote:On January 31 2016 03:28 Rebs wrote:On January 31 2016 02:29 Pr0wler wrote:On January 31 2016 01:52 Rebs wrote:On January 31 2016 01:24 Pr0wler wrote:
I think Suarez is dead... This is hilarious
Football refs should really start giving yellows for embellishment. Thats to difficult to police, there should however be retroactive punishment in obvious cases. Suarez just sold it as any striker would, you rather he get hit worse and make it really bad ? Now thats pretty Morbid. Wont make Real a better team to put Barca players in jail and the sick bed. But ooookkkk... I mean look at that.. https://streamable.com/02yv Nope, it's not too difficult to police. NHL does it. I mean look at him... Yeah the foul is reckless and deserves yellow. That doesn't mean that Suarez should roll on the ground like someone just shot him. As far as I can see, his leg is still there... Note that I didn't say shit when Messi was hit, because that hit was actually serious. But hey, lets make it RM againts Barca again... I never said that RM players are not guilty of that. I know you didnt, it was just a cheap shot to match the stupidity of what you were saying. I didnt say RM players were guilty of it either, I just said calling Barca players criminals and cheats wont make Real Madrid a better team. It was in every sense a cheapshot. You should be able to identify these more easily seeing as you employ them with generous frequency. American sports are pretty average at policing that sort of thing and they also kind of have to because heavy contact is a thing in hockey so they have to be mindful. Last I checked body checking someone is not a thing in football. Your comparison is invalid. And thats just the tip of the reasons. Im to lazy to list the rest. Remember I said you can have retro active punishment, I have no problem with that, unless the simulation is so blatantly greivously bad, then sure. But rolling around when you get a shit tackle like that is fine by me. Either way, his reaction was comensurate with the nature of the tackle so I dont see the problem here. Well I can't see how stating the truth is a cheapshot. Barca has two criminals in their starting eleven. Found guilty by a judge. If we punish divers when they are not hit, why are we not punishing them when they are actually hit, but try to embellish the foul and get the opposing player sent off ? The player is cheating in both situations. He is trying to give his team an advantage by misleading the referee. This is illegal in my opinion and should be punished. Retro active actions don't really affect the game. Yeah, the player will be punished... So what ? His team already won the match. You said that it's very hard to police that kind of thing. I gave you hockey as an example of a sport where they are policing it - so it is not "too difficult". Why they are doing it is irellevant. Real Madrid is a pretty good team, no matter what I'm writing in a forum I'm just having fun. Do you think rolling around three times for that god aweful tackle was embellisment ? I disagree. There are cases for this, this was not one of them. As for retro active actions. Sure they won the match, but severe penalties that can affect you for 3,4,5 games are enough of a dttterrent. Its just that no one has even tried that. You punish divers because they are not hit duhh.. You cant effectively punish people who embellish because you cant know how severe the damage really is. Innocuous kicks have broken legs, feet and ankles, very severe looking ones can cause no damage at all. Its a very very subjective case to make and we have a hard time deciding on what we already have. Your expert opinion in such a case is also "irrelevant". Im sorry but the referee isnt walking around with a portable MRI and X ray machine in his pockets. Its just a book. So yes it is too difficult. It is also too difficult in hockey, but they absolutely have to do it because the contact in the sport is severe. They dont do it because they want to, they do it because they "have to" SO why they do it is plenty relevant. Its very murky and there are things you can and should do and things that you can slow down on that are not really priorities when it comes to things that need fixing. This is not a priority thing no matter how much it might pain your soul everytime someone "embellishes" And I personally am a firm believer that you or anyone who ever complains about players "emebelishing" has never taken a kick in a competitive sporting environment in their life. Especially when the same people probably squeel like little girls everytime they stub their toe on a door frame. But getting kicked around by full bodied men ? Come on MAN UP MOTHERFUCKER !" Japanese never need any sort of playacting or shit like that and I am pretty sure they have taken worse knocks than you did. It is certainly possible to do sports without acting like being shot when you got touched. Well if we are talking about me, and its not me that it brought me up but ill take the opportunity. + Show Spoiler +Actually I lost a college scholarship in my final year of high school varsity, because my knee was dislocated along with multiple tibia and fibia breaks, two very large dudesand a lean guys planted leg. Ever seen your leg below your knee dangling out at 90 degrees ? Its kinda funny cuz your in shock and your trying to figure out how you can still feel your feet and move out around but nothing else. It took 2 years of physio for me to bend it fully and I had 2 hooks in my knee for half that time punched in to pull the broken bone back to the kneecap. The cast went from my ankle all the way up to my balls + Show Spoiler +(which I asked them to cut a bit lower because no one should feel the tragedy of not being able to scratch their balls with all the sweat that forms in those things)
. So at the cost of offering up a sobstory. They probably havent. Also what does Japan have to do with this, is that supposed to be some example of virtue or someat, cuz Americans dont do it either, but that is just as much false bravado as it is a sense of honor or whatever else that crap is? It is certainly possible to do many things. But it is impossible to police embellishment effectively. There is a difference between someone who makes a meal of an actual foul and someone who has not been fouled and is actively cheating. The latter is an issue certainly the former not so much. You should be ashamed of yourself. You actively defend people acting like they got hurt when they weren't, because the tackle "could have" actually hurt him. acting should ALWAYS be treated like diving because it is essemntialy the same thing. you are one of the people that represent everything that is wrong with football, congrats mate.
I think his point was that there is seldom a way of distinguishing acting and the real thing. So while in spirit he (probably, don´t want to speak for him) agrees with you, it is simply impossible to do anything about it in practice.
Some kind of retroactive punishment based on TV images might be possible, but they would also only catch the really exaggerated acts like Rivaldo grabbing his face, Busquets peeking and other blatant tells of acting. Especially as rolling a couple of times is a pretty good way of dealing with the inertia if you are at top speed and get tackled... and who is going to say that rolling 2 or 3 times is good to prevent injury, but if you roll 4 times then you´re definitely acting? There's the additional problem that you won't immediately know the extent of injury when a foul happens. When you get kicked on the ankle and it hurts, you don't really know whether your ankle is completely fucked, or with a little cooling spray, some quick physio and a few minutes rest it´s as good as new: when you get kicked, all you really know is that your ankle hurts like fuck, so you act accordingly.
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On January 31 2016 12:58 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
You should be ashamed of yourself. You actively defend people acting like they got hurt when they weren't, because the tackle "could have" actually hurt him. acting should ALWAYS be treated like diving because it is essemntialy the same thing. you are one of the people that represent everything that is wrong with football, congrats mate.
He is arguing along the lines of "innocent until proven guilty"
Why should he be ashamed of himself for that? For being reasonable?
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On January 31 2016 19:28 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 12:58 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
You should be ashamed of yourself. You actively defend people acting like they got hurt when they weren't, because the tackle "could have" actually hurt him. acting should ALWAYS be treated like diving because it is essemntialy the same thing. you are one of the people that represent everything that is wrong with football, congrats mate.
He is arguing along the lines of "innocent until proven guilty" Why should he be ashamed of himself for that? For being reasonable?
was drunk and misinterpreted. sorry about that.
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Norway28874 Posts
I agree that it's largely impossible to retroactively punish stuff like that
the busquets, rivaldo and one drogba examples come to mind as like, examples where it would be possible, because of faking injury the wrong place or being caught peeking through their hands to see whether there was any point in continuing to fake. In those cases, it was obvious that they were faking it. But that's normally not the case, and Rebs is completely correct in asserting that you really can't tell how painful an injury is from just looking at the incident.
But it's still pretty clear that a lot of injury time is just embellishment, and we can see this by the simple fact that teams that are in the lead tend to spend far more time being injured than teams chasing a goal. If people always tried to get up as fast as they could, there would be pretty much no difference. But aside from stopping the clock and abandoning the whole injury time concept (which there are many good arguments for anyway), I don't see how that can be stopped.
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So, Javi Martinez is out for a few weeks atleast...
It actually reached the point where I find it funny.
The only remaining question for Bayern in this season is now if Ancelotti is already available after the games against Juve, no point in Pep staying when they are out of CL.
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You're not going to lose against Juve. No idea why but it's not going to happen. And in case Pep leaves early I'd love to see Müller coach the team for a few weeks. Should be super funny.
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On February 01 2016 00:09 clusen wrote:
So, Javi Martinez is out for a few weeks atleast...
It actually reached the point where I find it funny.
The only remaining question for Bayern in this season is now if Ancelotti is already available after the games against Juve, no point in Pep staying when they are out of CL.
Martinez twittered that it's not a serious injury.
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Just saw Bayerns lineup for today. I mean depth and exhaustion could be a problem during the next weeks but those 11 would still make the cl-semis in 9/10 years.
At the start of the season I was looking forward to Bayerns transfers the next few years because the likes of Robben and Ribery might be gone soon but with Costa and Coman it's all there already.
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On February 01 2016 00:22 smr wrote:
You're not going to lose against Juve. No idea why but it's not going to happen. And in case Pep leaves early I'd love to see Müller coach the team for a few weeks. Should be super funny.
Even with a full squad Juve would be a tough match for Bayern(especially considering Juve's run recently), so I just can't be optimistic about the tie 
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good half for chelsea
oscar with a triple
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Good to know that Ronaldo is still capable of producing those kind of goals
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That goal was brilliant, one of the best Cristiano goals I have seen.
A stat: 44% of Ronaldo's goals this season have been scored against Espanyol and Malmo
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Norway28874 Posts
hm, pretty certain this la liga table is the first one I've ever seen where one team has scored less than half the goals of the team directly behind them after more than half the season. (atletico 2, RM 3, atletico 31 goals, RM 64. )
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Transfer Deadline Day
Atletico Madrid have had a stunning late approach to take Diego Costa back to Spain rejected by Chelsea. It's understood the Spanish club offered cash - plus forward Jackson Martinez - for the hitman they sold for £32m in 2014.
Leicester City boss Claudio Ranieri expects to complete a £10m deal for Chelsea striker Loic Remy before the deadline.
Leicester City are set to hijack Swansea's move for Dwight Gayle. The Foxes are waiting for clarification on a hamstring injury the striker sustained in training ahead of Saturday's win over Stoke.
Everton have made an enquiry for Lokomotiv Moscow striker Oumar Niasse. The Senegal international was courted by Sunderland earlier in the window but Lokomotiv wanted £15m.
Manchester United have made an offer of £30.4m for Benfica starlet Renato Sanches. The 18-year-old has become one of the most highly-rated players in Portugal since making his debut for the club at the end of October.
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So the transfer window closes today.
Will we have a lot of moves today?
in the mean time, good goal from Mitroglou:
http://www.ojogo.pt/servicos/videosliga.aspx#/video?28979
The first pass is from the player mentioned in the post Above: Renato Sanches. And I doubt that Man Utd will get the player for that amount of money.
Is there any rumours about him in the Premier League? Portuguese newspapers are worse than "The Sun" with that.
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30m pounds for an 18y.o.? Man U is nuts. Sure, the kid is playing a fantastic season, but young players like that are so unstable. No way to know whether he'll keep developing. Seen so many promising young players fail sadly and be forgotten.
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