EPT2015 - 2016 Football Thread - Page 251
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Faruko
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sneirac
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WillyWanker
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Football refs should really start giving yellows for embellishment. | ||
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smr
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Horrible ref. Horrible Dortmund. Good result. Pulisic is a bomb. | ||
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Rebs
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On January 31 2016 01:24 Pr0wler wrote: I think Suarez is dead... This is hilarious Football refs should really start giving yellows for embellishment. Thats to difficult to police, there should however be retroactive punishment in obvious cases. Suarez just sold it as any striker would, you rather he get hit worse and make it really bad ? Now thats pretty Morbid. Wont make Real a better team to put Barca players in jail and the sick bed. But ooookkkk... I mean look at that.. https://streamable.com/02yv | ||
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WillyWanker
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Oh well, that's 3 points clear of Atletico, 6 points if they win the game against Gijon. Not bad for a team not playing at 100%. I just hope they manage to get to 100% before May :p | ||
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Salteador Neo
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On January 31 2016 01:52 Rebs wrote: Thats to difficult to police, there should however be retroactive punishment in obvious cases. Suarez just sold it as any striker would, you rather he get hit worse and make it really bad ? Now thats pretty Morbid. Wont make Real a better team to put Barca players in jail and the sick bed. But ooookkkk... I mean look at that.. https://streamable.com/02yv Nope, it's not too difficult to police. NHL does it. I mean look at him... Yeah the foul is reckless and deserves yellow. That doesn't mean that Suarez should roll on the ground like someone just shot him. As far as I can see, his leg is still there... Note that I didn't say shit when Messi was hit, because that hit was actually serious. But hey, lets make it RM againts Barca again... I never said that RM players are not guilty of that. | ||
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sneirac
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On January 31 2016 02:29 Pr0wler wrote: Nope, it's not too difficult to police. NHL does it. I mean look at him... Yeah the foul is reckless and deserves yellow. That doesn't mean that Suarez should roll on the ground like someone just shot him. As far as I can see, his leg is still there... Note that I didn't say shit when Messi was hit, because that hit was actually serious. But hey, lets make it RM againts Barca again... I never said that RM players are not guilty of that. The problem with this particular case is that this was a full speed tackle into the legs and a clear foul, the reaction was appropriate to the foul and nothing more. If you want to see exaggeration please watch Costa from last weekend. It also pales in comparison to the much bigger issue of Ronaldo kicking opponents every game because Spanish league can't be bothered to review those. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 31 2016 02:29 Pr0wler wrote: Nope, it's not too difficult to police. NHL does it. I mean look at him... Yeah the foul is reckless and deserves yellow. That doesn't mean that Suarez should roll on the ground like someone just shot him. As far as I can see, his leg is still there... Note that I didn't say shit when Messi was hit, because that hit was actually serious. But hey, lets make it RM againts Barca again... I never said that RM players are not guilty of that. I know you didnt, it was just a cheap shot to match the stupidity of what you were saying. I didnt say RM players were guilty of it either, I just said calling Barca players criminals and cheats wont make Real Madrid a better team. It was in every sense a cheapshot. You should be able to identify these more easily seeing as you employ them with generous frequency. American sports are pretty average at policing that sort of thing and they also kind of have to because heavy contact is a thing in hockey so they have to be mindful. Last I checked body checking someone is not a thing in football. Your comparison is invalid. And thats just the tip of the reasons. Im to lazy to list the rest. Remember I said you can have retro active punishment, I have no problem with that, unless the simulation is so blatantly greivously bad, then sure. But rolling around when you get a shit tackle like that is fine by me. Either way, his reaction was comensurate with the nature of the tackle so I dont see the problem here. If you want to see real problems check out these lovely fans. | ||
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OceanLab
France505 Posts
All players do that though, in all clubs and at all levels, but it's sad nonetheless. And about that video, I was going to make a comment about Chelsea fans being Chelsea fans, but that's not fair. These guys are just hooligans, and I hope not representative of most Chelsea supporters. | ||
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Rebs
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On January 31 2016 03:28 Rebs wrote: I know you didnt, it was just a cheap shot to match the stupidity of what you were saying. I didnt say RM players were guilty of it either, I just said calling Barca players criminals and cheats wont make Real Madrid a better team. It was in every sense a cheapshot. You should be able to identify these more easily seeing as you employ them with generous frequency. American sports are pretty average at policing that sort of thing and they also kind of have to because heavy contact is a thing in hockey so they have to be mindful. Last I checked body checking someone is not a thing in football. Your comparison is invalid. And thats just the tip of the reasons. Im to lazy to list the rest. Remember I said you can have retro active punishment, I have no problem with that, unless the simulation is so blatantly greivously bad, then sure. But rolling around when you get a shit tackle like that is fine by me. Either way, his reaction was comensurate with the nature of the tackle so I dont see the problem here. Well I can't see how stating the truth is a cheapshot. Barca has two criminals in their starting eleven. Found guilty by a judge. If we punish divers when they are not hit, why are we not punishing them when they are actually hit, but try to embellish the foul and get the opposing player sent off ? The player is cheating in both situations. He is trying to give his team an advantage by misleading the referee. This is illegal in my opinion and should be punished. Retro active actions don't really affect the game. Yeah, the player will be punished... So what ? His team already won the match. You said that it's very hard to police that kind of thing. I gave you hockey as an example of a sport where they are policing it - so it is not "too difficult". Why they are doing it is irellevant. Real Madrid is a pretty good team, no matter what I'm writing in a forum  I'm just having fun. | ||
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Rebs
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On January 31 2016 04:37 Pr0wler wrote: Well I can't see how stating the truth is a cheapshot. Barca has two criminals in their starting eleven. Found guilty by a judge. If we punish divers when they are not hit, why are we not punishing them when they are actually hit, but try to embellish the foul and get the opposing player sent off ? The player is cheating in both situations. He is trying to give his team an advantage by misleading the referee. This is illegal in my opinion and should be punished. Retro active actions don't really affect the game. Yeah, the player will be punished... So what ? His team already won the match. You said that it's very hard to police that kind of thing. I gave you hockey as an example of a sport where they are policing it - so it is not "too difficult". Why they are doing it is irellevant. Real Madrid is a pretty good team, no matter what I'm writing in a forum I'm just having fun.Do you think rolling around three times for that god aweful tackle was embellisment ? I disagree. There are cases for this, this was not one of them. As for retro active actions. Sure they won the match, but severe penalties that can affect you for 3,4,5 games are enough of a dttterrent. Its just that no one has even tried that. You punish divers because they are not hit duhh.. You cant effectively punish people who embellish because you cant know how severe the damage really is. Innocuous kicks have broken legs, feet and ankles, very severe looking ones can cause no damage at all. Its a very very subjective case to make and we have a hard time deciding on what we already have. Your expert opinion in such a case is also "irrelevant". Im sorry but the referee isnt walking around with a portable MRI and X ray machine in his pockets. Its just a book. So yes it is too difficult. It is also too difficult in hockey, but they absolutely have to do it because the contact in the sport is severe. They dont do it because they want to, they do it because they "have to" SO why they do it is plenty relevant. Its very murky and there are things you can and should do and things that you can slow down on that are not really priorities when it comes to things that need fixing. This is not a priority thing no matter how much it might pain your soul everytime someone "embellishes" And I personally am a firm believer that you or anyone who ever complains about players "emebelishing" has never taken a kick in a competitive sporting environment in their life. Especially when the same people probably squeel like little girls everytime they stub their toe on a door frame. But getting kicked around by full bodied men ? Come on MAN UP MOTHERFUCKER !" | ||
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I guess this is not the case for football. Actually you are right that there are more urgent things to fix. In fact without having video reviews, punishing embellishment is hard. That doesn't mean that I can't dream about it though | ||
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sharkie
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On January 31 2016 05:45 Rebs wrote: Do you think rolling around three times for that god aweful tackle was embellisment ? I disagree. There are cases for this, this was not one of them. As for retro active actions. Sure they won the match, but severe penalties that can affect you for 3,4,5 games are enough of a dttterrent. Its just that no one has even tried that. You punish divers because they are not hit duhh.. You cant effectively punish people who embellish because you cant know how severe the damage really is. Innocuous kicks have broken legs, feet and ankles, very severe looking ones can cause no damage at all. Its a very very subjective case to make and we have a hard time deciding on what we already have. Your expert opinion in such a case is also "irrelevant". Im sorry but the referee isnt walking around with a portable MRI and X ray machine in his pockets. Its just a book. So yes it is too difficult. It is also too difficult in hockey, but they absolutely have to do it because the contact in the sport is severe. They dont do it because they want to, they do it because they "have to" SO why they do it is plenty relevant. Its very murky and there are things you can and should do and things that you can slow down on that are not really priorities when it comes to things that need fixing. This is not a priority thing no matter how much it might pain your soul everytime someone "embellishes" And I personally am a firm believer that you or anyone who ever complains about players "emebelishing" has never taken a kick in a competitive sporting environment in their life. Especially when the same people probably squeel like little girls everytime they stub their toe on a door frame. But getting kicked around by full bodied men ? Come on MAN UP MOTHERFUCKER !" Japanese never need any sort of playacting or shit like that and I am pretty sure they have taken worse knocks than you did. It is certainly possible to do sports without acting like being shot when you got touched. | ||
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GizmoPT
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Rebs
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On January 31 2016 06:46 sharkie wrote: Japanese never need any sort of playacting or shit like that and I am pretty sure they have taken worse knocks than you did. It is certainly possible to do sports without acting like being shot when you got touched. Well if we are talking about me, and its not me that it brought me up but ill take the opportunity. + Show Spoiler + Actually I lost a college scholarship in my final year of high school varsity, because my knee was dislocated along with multiple tibia and fibia breaks, two very large dudesand a lean guys planted leg. Ever seen your leg below your knee dangling out at 90 degrees ? Its kinda funny cuz your in shock and your trying to figure out how you can still feel your feet and move out around but nothing else. It took 2 years of physio for me to bend it fully and I had 2 hooks in my knee for half that time punched in to pull the broken bone back to the kneecap. The cast went from my ankle all the way up to my balls + Show Spoiler + (which I asked them to cut a bit lower because no one should feel the tragedy of not being able to scratch their balls with all the sweat that forms in those things) So at the cost of offering up a sobstory. They probably havent. Also what does Japan have to do with this, is that supposed to be some example of virtue or someat, cuz Americans dont do it either, but that is just as much false bravado as it is a sense of honor or whatever else that crap is? It is certainly possible to do many things. But it is impossible to police embellishment effectively. There is a difference between someone who makes a meal of an actual foul and someone who has not been fouled and is actively cheating. The latter is an issue certainly the former not so much. | ||
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