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sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
December 13 2015 21:24 GMT
#4081
and Real had the chance to close the gap to two points and lost 1:0 at Villareal
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2015 21:38 GMT
#4082
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2727 Posts
December 14 2015 02:27 GMT
#4083
Barcelona 35
Atleti 35
Madrid 30
Celta 28
Villareal 27

lol, Madrid is closer to Celta/Villareal than to Barça/Atleti. Next week Madrid will be #4 xD
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2107 Posts
December 14 2015 12:34 GMT
#4084
Some Klopp fun for you guys feeling down on a monday
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
December 14 2015 15:05 GMT
#4085
On December 10 2015 14:41 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:56 Eliezar wrote:
On December 10 2015 03:24 Sermokala wrote:
It would be interesting to see mid table England teams against other league mid table teams.

Surely that money has to go somewhere.


There is a weird thing in England right now.

I think everybody would agree that Man U, Chelsea, and even Man City are weaker than they have been over the last decade (sure, maybe Man U bottomed under Moyes, but still these are weak sides for all of them vs their last EPL winning sides).

At the same time certain teams like Stoke and a few others are bringing in quality players that are good enough to start on champions league level clubs in the big 4 leagues. Not saying Bayern, Real, or Barca, but they could find a place on one of the other teams. I think over the next couple of years we may see a rebirth of the premier league. They truly were the best league for a good 8 year or so spell before their teams started falling off. Even Fullham made a European final and Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Man U were a constant fixtures deep in the champions league and even in the final.

I think what would be cool is if they would just revamp the continental competitions so that to make the Champions League you either have to make top 3 in champions league group the year before or top 8 in the Europa League. You might end up with a country way over represented in the champions league, but it would make the Europa League have much more significance and it would be cool to see if teams that want to be elite but are held back by not consistently finishing top 4 in their league could flourish if given that extra avenue.


That wont work for a number of reasons but the main one would be that alot of these teams that you are talking about can only play well in spurts. The fact that smaller PL clubs have access to talent from the continent does indeed mean that the teams are better. But having to maintain the intensity of playing in Europe and domestically is not something these players can handle. And squad depth is an issue even for the top teams. Middling clubs have to work alot harder than top clubs in all aspects to compete and maintaining that isnt viable.

Thats why mid level teams look amazing one day and super flat the next so you will see your Stokes play City of the pitch but then lose a shitty sloppy game against someone like NewCastle or Norwich and conversely make them look godly.

So yes top English teams are a little weaker and the rest have gotten better in England especially but what your suggesting wont have much impact. Sure with more bites at the cherry and a bit more money some smaller teams might make a run here and there but overall there wont be much difference.

Its not like continental teams in Europe are significantly weaker than mid level teams from the top leagues. Its roughly the same level and some of them with less domestic pressure are able to perform at a higher level.

You wont see a rebirth of the premier league until the top clubs get their act together. The PL didnt become a big deal because Stoke and Leicester city were playing well. It became a big deal because of teams like United in the 90's and later Arsenal aswell. And then ofcourse your oil teams showed up. If you dont have teams dominating as bad as that might sound as far as competition is concerned being competitive is actually worse than having 3-4 teams cemented at the top and consistently expanding brand value through their impressiveness. Thats what makes a big league, competition on its own is pretty useless. You need to wow and win alot one way or another. I mean think about it at the end of the day we have this idea that there are alot of title challengers. but usually by December theres like 2 or at most 3 teams in the mix at best. And there have been a bunch of cakewalks to. Not to different from most other leagues. United had mastered the art of grinding out wins while playing badly. Thats what they need to get.


I think we might see 6 teams from Spain in the champions league under that suggestion, but England have been struggling in the Europa league. What would change is that if a team like Liverpool or Tottenham that have been finishing just outside the top 4 in England are able to get in the Championsleague they would likely be able to spend enough to stay there.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-14 15:53:14
December 14 2015 15:52 GMT
#4086
On December 15 2015 00:05 Eliezar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 14:41 Rebs wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:56 Eliezar wrote:
On December 10 2015 03:24 Sermokala wrote:
It would be interesting to see mid table England teams against other league mid table teams.

Surely that money has to go somewhere.


There is a weird thing in England right now.

I think everybody would agree that Man U, Chelsea, and even Man City are weaker than they have been over the last decade (sure, maybe Man U bottomed under Moyes, but still these are weak sides for all of them vs their last EPL winning sides).

At the same time certain teams like Stoke and a few others are bringing in quality players that are good enough to start on champions league level clubs in the big 4 leagues. Not saying Bayern, Real, or Barca, but they could find a place on one of the other teams. I think over the next couple of years we may see a rebirth of the premier league. They truly were the best league for a good 8 year or so spell before their teams started falling off. Even Fullham made a European final and Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Man U were a constant fixtures deep in the champions league and even in the final.

I think what would be cool is if they would just revamp the continental competitions so that to make the Champions League you either have to make top 3 in champions league group the year before or top 8 in the Europa League. You might end up with a country way over represented in the champions league, but it would make the Europa League have much more significance and it would be cool to see if teams that want to be elite but are held back by not consistently finishing top 4 in their league could flourish if given that extra avenue.


That wont work for a number of reasons but the main one would be that alot of these teams that you are talking about can only play well in spurts. The fact that smaller PL clubs have access to talent from the continent does indeed mean that the teams are better. But having to maintain the intensity of playing in Europe and domestically is not something these players can handle. And squad depth is an issue even for the top teams. Middling clubs have to work alot harder than top clubs in all aspects to compete and maintaining that isnt viable.

Thats why mid level teams look amazing one day and super flat the next so you will see your Stokes play City of the pitch but then lose a shitty sloppy game against someone like NewCastle or Norwich and conversely make them look godly.

So yes top English teams are a little weaker and the rest have gotten better in England especially but what your suggesting wont have much impact. Sure with more bites at the cherry and a bit more money some smaller teams might make a run here and there but overall there wont be much difference.

Its not like continental teams in Europe are significantly weaker than mid level teams from the top leagues. Its roughly the same level and some of them with less domestic pressure are able to perform at a higher level.

You wont see a rebirth of the premier league until the top clubs get their act together. The PL didnt become a big deal because Stoke and Leicester city were playing well. It became a big deal because of teams like United in the 90's and later Arsenal aswell. And then ofcourse your oil teams showed up. If you dont have teams dominating as bad as that might sound as far as competition is concerned being competitive is actually worse than having 3-4 teams cemented at the top and consistently expanding brand value through their impressiveness. Thats what makes a big league, competition on its own is pretty useless. You need to wow and win alot one way or another. I mean think about it at the end of the day we have this idea that there are alot of title challengers. but usually by December theres like 2 or at most 3 teams in the mix at best. And there have been a bunch of cakewalks to. Not to different from most other leagues. United had mastered the art of grinding out wins while playing badly. Thats what they need to get.


I think we might see 6 teams from Spain in the champions league under that suggestion, but England have been struggling in the Europa league. What would change is that if a team like Liverpool or Tottenham that have been finishing just outside the top 4 in England are able to get in the Championsleague they would likely be able to spend enough to stay there.


Under what suggestion? I didnt make any suggestion, Not quite sure I follow. The TLDR for me was, things are fine as they are.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14131 Posts
December 14 2015 17:56 GMT
#4087
On December 13 2015 19:36 Greg_J wrote:
I haven't mentioned the K-League much this year since I've been busy and it's largelly been boring. But a quick summary might be order.

Jeonbuk won the K League comfortably and the usual Pohang, Seoul and Suwon Bluewings will join them in the AFC competition. Daejon and Busan were woeful and luckily we now have relegation so it's unacceptable to have teams that bad and neither will appear in next years competition as Busan lost the playoff finals to FC Suwon.

Disappointingly Sangju (The military team (football's Airforce Ace)) won the K-League Challenge so they will be playing top flight football again next year. I say that's disappointing because though we all cheered for Airforce Ace and loved the underdogs in Esports. The reality of Sanju is that they play at a ground in the middle of nowhere with just a thousand or so fans watching and it's not really great for the Korean football to have them in the top flight. It also speaks of the weakness of the second League that the military team tops the table.

Having said that Dageu where hugley unlucky finishing on level point sand goal difference and only not getting promoted because Sanju had more goals scored for them.

FC Suwon winning the play offs and now been promoted is actually pretty awesome. They are not a big Chaebol team but are actually a community backed 'real' team. Which is great for Korean football and they need far more teams like that. Hopefully they won't get hammered too badly next season when they play against the big boys and it will be great to have a Suwon Derby. Korean football desperately needs more teams like that to start popping up.

South Korean military team has to be like an all star team of youngsters. How are their player rights handeled from an international transfer point of view? You'd think teams would be sniffing around during that period where they don't make that much money.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
December 14 2015 20:32 GMT
#4088
Strange one on Hazard. Gets basically bodied by Vardy and falls on his hip - Now comes off injured. Wat.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
December 14 2015 20:33 GMT
#4089
Vardyboss!
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-14 20:36:44
December 14 2015 20:34 GMT
#4090
And it's a Vardy party to further rub it in. Loving this shit. What a fucking ball from Mahrez.

Have a gander.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-14 21:06:21
December 14 2015 20:37 GMT
#4091
1-0 Vardi

classic 2015 Chelsea defending =)

edit: HD, replays

e: 2:0 Leicester :DDD
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 14 2015 21:06 GMT
#4092
Wow Mahrez
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
December 14 2015 21:06 GMT
#4093
Mahrez is a boss. What a goal.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
December 14 2015 21:08 GMT
#4094
Mahrez is the best player in the PL by some distance this season.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
December 14 2015 21:08 GMT
#4095
2:0 Mahrez
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 14 2015 21:10 GMT
#4096
On December 15 2015 06:08 city42 wrote:
Mahrez is the best player in the PL by some distance this season.

Özil ?
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
December 14 2015 21:13 GMT
#4097
On December 15 2015 06:10 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 06:08 city42 wrote:
Mahrez is the best player in the PL by some distance this season.

Özil ?

Özil's not far behind, but I have to give it to Mahrez.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
December 14 2015 21:45 GMT
#4098
On December 15 2015 06:10 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 06:08 city42 wrote:
Mahrez is the best player in the PL by some distance this season.

Özil ?

What about him? He's surrounded by world-renowned talent and has 15 goals + assists to Mahrez's 18. Mahrez also leads the league in dribbles.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 14 2015 21:58 GMT
#4099
Leicester have beaten Chelsea 2-1... Though Mourhino managed to beat Porto what are the chances he survives to manage Chelsea past Christmas?!
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
December 14 2015 21:58 GMT
#4100
Those were two really nice goals...I figured Chelsea would win a game here and there, but I'm thinking they might get relegated if they don't change coaches. That was a fun game.
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