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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 19 2015 23:55 GMT
#161
It's crazy to me that you can snatch more than you can press. I don't understand how that works because I suck at oly lifting.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20083 Posts
January 20 2015 03:47 GMT
#162
On January 20 2015 08:55 IgnE wrote:
It's crazy to me that you can snatch more than you can press. I don't understand how that works because I suck at oly lifting.


Haha my press will never be anywhere close to my snatch. Hell my bench is barely in the ball park, but that's probably as much from a lack of benching as a proficiency in snatching.

I believe caleb ward only pressed around 70-90kg and snatch/cj around 160/200kg
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
January 20 2015 05:13 GMT
#163
I can't imagine someone who is efficient in snatching having a higher press than snatch. You're still mostly using your legs in a snatch, whereas a strict press is mostly just upper body. Perhaps a push press would be closer in comparison.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 20 2015 06:40 GMT
#164
I know it's not. I just know that I can press 275+ lbs for reps but wouldn't be able to snatch that.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 20 2015 13:13 GMT
#165
I can't snatch as much as I OHP. Tis scary.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15357 Posts
January 20 2015 13:15 GMT
#166
I can't even clean my OHP Well not entirely true but they are very close.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 20 2015 13:18 GMT
#167
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
January 20 2015 13:58 GMT
#168
Skipped squats again today, knees still hurt. Not sure if they have improved the last week, maybe a little. Will probably pass Saturday as well.

Urge to squat rising =(
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20083 Posts
January 20 2015 14:51 GMT
#169
On January 20 2015 15:40 IgnE wrote:
I know it's not. I just know that I can press 275+ lbs for reps but wouldn't be able to snatch that.


To be fair that's a pretty insane press. Most olympic lifters will never even snatch 275+. My best triple is 275, but I will NEVER press that even for a single lol. I think that's higher than the most I've ever push pressed. Not that I do much push pressing.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 20 2015 15:23 GMT
#170
On January 20 2015 23:51 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 15:40 IgnE wrote:
I know it's not. I just know that I can press 275+ lbs for reps but wouldn't be able to snatch that.


To be fair that's a pretty insane press. Most olympic lifters will never even snatch 275+. My best triple is 275, but I will NEVER press that even for a single lol. I think that's higher than the most I've ever push pressed. Not that I do much push pressing.


I'm quite sure Igne is either 300 pounds or meant bench press.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 20 2015 15:24 GMT
#171
On January 20 2015 22:58 Fwmeh wrote:
Skipped squats again today, knees still hurt. Not sure if they have improved the last week, maybe a little. Will probably pass Saturday as well.

Urge to squat rising =(


Rest usually never fixes anything. Where is your knee pain coming from exactly?
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
January 20 2015 15:36 GMT
#172
On January 21 2015 00:24 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 22:58 Fwmeh wrote:
Skipped squats again today, knees still hurt. Not sure if they have improved the last week, maybe a little. Will probably pass Saturday as well.

Urge to squat rising =(


Rest usually never fixes anything. Where is your knee pain coming from exactly?

Just above knee caps, both knees. I think it is the quad tendon, not sure. Hurts when loading the knees past 90 degrees. Pain does not really vary that much with load, hurts about the same sitting down as it does when doing heavy back squats.

Thing is, I have had it for some time now, and I think it is slowly getting worse.
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 20 2015 15:42 GMT
#173
How tight and knotty are your quads? Have you tried foam rolling them?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
January 20 2015 16:03 GMT
#174
Foam rolled every day the past 7 days, stopped hurting by the 3rd day or so. Not sure if it does anything, but I hadn't tried it before.
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20083 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 16:20:50
January 20 2015 16:20 GMT
#175
Get in there with a lacross ball or orbital buffer (pretty much the same as a massager). Do glute stretching/stabilizing (esp glute med) which is what stablizes your knee laterally.

obligatory kelly starret:
https://www.youtube.com/results?q=kelly starrett quad tendon
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20083 Posts
January 20 2015 16:38 GMT
#176
On January 21 2015 00:23 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 23:51 decafchicken wrote:
On January 20 2015 15:40 IgnE wrote:
I know it's not. I just know that I can press 275+ lbs for reps but wouldn't be able to snatch that.


To be fair that's a pretty insane press. Most olympic lifters will never even snatch 275+. My best triple is 275, but I will NEVER press that even for a single lol. I think that's higher than the most I've ever push pressed. Not that I do much push pressing.


I'm quite sure Igne is either 300 pounds or meant bench press.


Well he is big as fuck. 275 press wouldn't overly surprise me.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 20 2015 16:49 GMT
#177
On January 21 2015 01:03 Fwmeh wrote:
Foam rolled every day the past 7 days, stopped hurting by the 3rd day or so. Not sure if it does anything, but I hadn't tried it before.

Hope this gives you some ideas
http://www.endurancewod.com/_library/MobilityWOD - PSE Chapter.pdf
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
January 20 2015 17:37 GMT
#178
Right, so, here goes:

I'm 17, Male. My workout 2x a week, (preferably Monday & Friday). My BF% is about 15-16% right now.

5x5 Squats
5x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
3x8 Side lateral raises
3x12 Lat Pulldown
10-15Min of HIIT

Wednesday:

5x5 Squats
5x5 Overhead Press
1x5 Deadlift
3x8 Arm Curls
3x8 Chest Flyes
10-15Min HIIT

Can someone tell me if this is a good workout? I'll be in the gym for 1hr, maybe a bit more if I take the cardio seriously. I really need to build some pure strength before anything else. RIght now I'm benchpressing barely 30KG (without counting the bar) and I really need to step that up before anything else.
Aside from that I want to lose a slight amount of fat still, I realise 16% isn't ideal and could be improved. Don't want to be a skinny bones though! I'm assuming I shouldn't hardcore-cut while doing a workout like this, but a slight caloric deficit with enough protein can't hurt, right?


One more question, how do you set realistic goals? How can I know if I keep this up, I'll for example deadlift X in so many weeks/months?
Would love to hear people's opinions
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 20 2015 17:48 GMT
#179
On January 21 2015 02:37 Thalandros wrote:
Right, so, here goes:

I'm 17, Male. My workout 2x a week, (preferably Monday & Friday). My BF% is about 15-16% right now.

5x5 Squats
5x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
3x8 Side lateral raises
3x12 Lat Pulldown
10-15Min of HIIT

Wednesday:

5x5 Squats
5x5 Overhead Press
1x5 Deadlift
3x8 Arm Curls
3x8 Chest Flyes
10-15Min HIIT

Can someone tell me if this is a good workout? I'll be in the gym for 1hr, maybe a bit more if I take the cardio seriously. I really need to build some pure strength before anything else. RIght now I'm benchpressing barely 30KG (without counting the bar) and I really need to step that up before anything else.
Aside from that I want to lose a slight amount of fat still, I realise 16% isn't ideal and could be improved. Don't want to be a skinny bones though! I'm assuming I shouldn't hardcore-cut while doing a workout like this, but a slight caloric deficit with enough protein can't hurt, right?


One more question, how do you set realistic goals? How can I know if I keep this up, I'll for example deadlift X in so many weeks/months?
Would love to hear people's opinions


That's a solid routine, I think 3x a week would be bettter if you get the chance. Not sure you can keep up with the HIIT though, I would do it once a week on my last training day on your shoes,and have 3x lifting days.
Strength is independent of muscle mass up to a point, at your current levels and age you can certainly make decent gains before stalling with this routine.
Don't set up goals, just focus on lifting more weight and with better form constantly. Remember strength is a skill, muscle development is a by product.
Don't forget to developa appropiate flexibility, specially for the high bar squat !

zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15357 Posts
January 20 2015 17:49 GMT
#180
What is your height / BW?

If you want to "build some pure strength before anything else" you need to eat at a surplus, not a deficit. It's not impossible to gain strength on a deficit (especially as a beginner) but in the end it's just no fun. I would suggest the more conventional lifting on a calorie surplus and adjusting your intake after a while if you feel you are putting on too much fat. If you take your lifting seriously and don't eat on a huge surplus that shouldn't even happen though.

As far as the program goes, conventional wisdom is that deadlifting every other day (on top of squats) would be too much. But that's really something you should find out for yourself. As a beginner you can probably get away with it and still recover. Personally I would find it a bit boring that's why alternate squats / front squats and DL / cleans and rows. The important part is that you have the big lifts in there though.
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