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malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
January 20 2015 17:54 GMT
#181
to add on. count the bar, you are lifting it too...
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
January 20 2015 19:01 GMT
#182
Yesterday PM - Just some light power clean and jerk work at 80kg then clean pulls 3x110 130 140 150 150 and glute stuff
Today
AM
Deadlifts 1x5 @ 405 (lol this was harder than I expected)
Pull ups 4x8
BB Rows 4x8 @ 185
DB Row 3x10 @ 75
Curlz
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 20 2015 19:13 GMT
#183
Man my conditioning has gone to crap or something. I struggle to row 1k in under 4 min, much less do multiple sets around that time. It's probably mostly needing to train it, the only other thing I can think is I've been really lax with my calorie intake and I'm too low for my activity level. I used to be able to pick stuff up like that and do better than average. Also, how do you guys compare times with the varying resistance? I couldn't find a setting other than the knob is at so many dots...
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
January 20 2015 19:47 GMT
#184
Thanks for the tips, but I really, really don't think it is a matter of mobility. I have tried stretching previously, and barely feel the stretch in the glute med/hamstring/hip extension/knee flexion exercises. I have never felt limited in my mobility.

Tried with bandy ball, didn't have a lacrosse. Didn't really feel anything. Will continue this week and see how it goes.
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 20 2015 19:49 GMT
#185
On January 21 2015 04:47 Fwmeh wrote:
Thanks for the tips, but I really, really don't think it is a matter of mobility. I have tried stretching previously, and barely feel the stretch in the glute med/hamstring/hip extension/knee flexion exercises. I have never felt limited in my mobility.

Tried with bandy ball, didn't have a lacrosse. Didn't really feel anything. Will continue this week and see how it goes.

In my mind it wasn't about your mobility but rather your quads may be tight which puts constant strain on the tendons going to and around your knee which usually results in pain. If you're quads are nice and supple then you probably need to consult a professional about the pain. The prior advice was more of a default go-to for me when I get knee pain.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
January 20 2015 20:04 GMT
#186
On January 21 2015 04:47 Fwmeh wrote:
Thanks for the tips, but I really, really don't think it is a matter of mobility. I have tried stretching previously, and barely feel the stretch in the glute med/hamstring/hip extension/knee flexion exercises. I have never felt limited in my mobility.

Tried with bandy ball, didn't have a lacrosse. Didn't really feel anything. Will continue this week and see how it goes.


Even when my shoulders/hips are "tight" I still have more mobility than 99% of people. Still causes me pain, it's all relative. Can also be related to the stabilizing muscles. Your big movers may be strong but you might have some imbalances/deficiencies in the smaller muscles (you have a ton of hip/knee rotators and stabilizers that could all be affecting your knee). It's hard to help over the internet without see how move and such, the best advice I can give is see a good physical/massage/chiro therapist, athletic trainer, or sports doc. Next best advice I can give is try a bunch of mobility/soft tissue/stretches/etc. until you find some stuff that works and stick with it.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 20:12:37
January 20 2015 20:07 GMT
#187
On January 21 2015 02:48 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 02:37 Thalandros wrote:
Right, so, here goes:

I'm 17, Male. My workout 2x a week, (preferably Monday & Friday). My BF% is about 15-16% right now.

5x5 Squats
5x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
3x8 Side lateral raises
3x12 Lat Pulldown
10-15Min of HIIT

Wednesday:

5x5 Squats
5x5 Overhead Press
1x5 Deadlift
3x8 Arm Curls
3x8 Chest Flyes
10-15Min HIIT

Can someone tell me if this is a good workout? I'll be in the gym for 1hr, maybe a bit more if I take the cardio seriously. I really need to build some pure strength before anything else. RIght now I'm benchpressing barely 30KG (without counting the bar) and I really need to step that up before anything else.
Aside from that I want to lose a slight amount of fat still, I realise 16% isn't ideal and could be improved. Don't want to be a skinny bones though! I'm assuming I shouldn't hardcore-cut while doing a workout like this, but a slight caloric deficit with enough protein can't hurt, right?


One more question, how do you set realistic goals? How can I know if I keep this up, I'll for example deadlift X in so many weeks/months?
Would love to hear people's opinions


That's a solid routine, I think 3x a week would be bettter if you get the chance. Not sure you can keep up with the HIIT though, I would do it once a week on my last training day on your shoes,and have 3x lifting days.
Strength is independent of muscle mass up to a point, at your current levels and age you can certainly make decent gains before stalling with this routine.
Don't set up goals, just focus on lifting more weight and with better form constantly. Remember strength is a skill, muscle development is a by product.
Don't forget to developa appropiate flexibility, specially for the high bar squat !


Sorry for the confusion. I lift 3x per week (Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. I just repeat my monday routine on friday.)

On January 21 2015 02:49 zatic wrote:
What is your height / BW?

If you want to "build some pure strength before anything else" you need to eat at a surplus, not a deficit. It's not impossible to gain strength on a deficit (especially as a beginner) but in the end it's just no fun. I would suggest the more conventional lifting on a calorie surplus and adjusting your intake after a while if you feel you are putting on too much fat. If you take your lifting seriously and don't eat on a huge surplus that shouldn't even happen though.

As far as the program goes, conventional wisdom is that deadlifting every other day (on top of squats) would be too much. But that's really something you should find out for yourself. As a beginner you can probably get away with it and still recover. Personally I would find it a bit boring that's why alternate squats / front squats and DL / cleans and rows. The important part is that you have the big lifts in there though.

I am 1M88CM, or 6'2. I weigh ~77.5KG. Thanks for the tip. And I realise I can do this until I stop seeing a big gain, which is why I'll evaluate it every couple of weeks or so. I've just started doing it, so let's hope I start reporting some gains in strength within a week or so, the ''Stronglifts 5x5'' says at the beginning tacking on weight shouldn't be much of an issue. Let's hope! i learned proper technique with the deadlift and squat only a week ago, heh.

One issue is that our ''gym'' only has a smith machine so I might need to look for a gym once I start lifting serious weights with squatting, don't want to not include those stabilizers. :/

On January 21 2015 02:54 malcram wrote:
to add on. count the bar, you are lifting it too...

With DLing and squatting I'm sadly using a smith machine (I can probably do DLing without it) so that bar weighs basically nothing, right? And with Bench pressing, I have no idea how much the bar weighs. It's definitely not an olympic bar though, I can take a photo of it, see if it's familiar to anyone? otherwise I'll try to ask staff members.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 20 2015 20:12 GMT
#188
On January 21 2015 00:23 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 23:51 decafchicken wrote:
On January 20 2015 15:40 IgnE wrote:
I know it's not. I just know that I can press 275+ lbs for reps but wouldn't be able to snatch that.


To be fair that's a pretty insane press. Most olympic lifters will never even snatch 275+. My best triple is 275, but I will NEVER press that even for a single lol. I think that's higher than the most I've ever push pressed. Not that I do much push pressing.


I'm quite sure Igne is either 300 pounds or meant bench press.


Nah, I meant seated OHP.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
January 20 2015 21:55 GMT
#189
On January 21 2015 05:12 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:23 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 20 2015 23:51 decafchicken wrote:
On January 20 2015 15:40 IgnE wrote:
I know it's not. I just know that I can press 275+ lbs for reps but wouldn't be able to snatch that.


To be fair that's a pretty insane press. Most olympic lifters will never even snatch 275+. My best triple is 275, but I will NEVER press that even for a single lol. I think that's higher than the most I've ever push pressed. Not that I do much push pressing.


I'm quite sure Igne is either 300 pounds or meant bench press.


Nah, I meant seated OHP.


Imba.

On January 21 2015 05:07 Thalandros wrote:
With DLing and squatting I'm sadly using a smith machine (I can probably do DLing without it) so that bar weighs basically nothing, right? And with Bench pressing, I have no idea how much the bar weighs. It's definitely not an olympic bar though, I can take a photo of it, see if it's familiar to anyone? otherwise I'll try to ask staff members.


Check the side of the smith machine. The one at my gym says "bar resistance = 25lb". That being said, I don't like the smith machine for anything because the resistance can vary if you press at an angle that doesn't match the smith machine. Also, almost every smith machine I've seen is tilted slightly - so when you squat you aren't squatting straight up and down.
Yargh
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 22:11:51
January 20 2015 22:11 GMT
#190
IMO no reason to wait until you're moving "serious weight" to find a gym with better equipment. Make that upgrade as soon as possible. Today, if you can get out of your gym contract.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18863 Posts
January 20 2015 22:16 GMT
#191
Smith machines are for rehab and handstand legpress. That's it.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 20 2015 23:07 GMT
#192
I can think of some other uses.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
January 20 2015 23:31 GMT
#193
Relevant Dom Vid:

GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 21 2015 00:14 GMT
#194
On January 21 2015 05:12 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:23 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 20 2015 23:51 decafchicken wrote:
On January 20 2015 15:40 IgnE wrote:
I know it's not. I just know that I can press 275+ lbs for reps but wouldn't be able to snatch that.


To be fair that's a pretty insane press. Most olympic lifters will never even snatch 275+. My best triple is 275, but I will NEVER press that even for a single lol. I think that's higher than the most I've ever push pressed. Not that I do much push pressing.


I'm quite sure Igne is either 300 pounds or meant bench press.


Nah, I meant seated OHP.


wtf so how big are you. your bench is in the 440 range?
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 01:04:11
January 21 2015 01:03 GMT
#195
No my bench max a couple years ago was around 375 ungeared. I weigh 235+ lbs at 5'11" with visible abdominals. I posted some pictures in the last thread.

I don't really bench for max weight anymore, and I think my shoulder probably has some labral issues. I haven't OHP heavy for about a season. Mostly doing higher rep stuff for hypertrophy, mobility, and health now.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 01:16:38
January 21 2015 01:16 GMT
#196
On January 21 2015 10:03 IgnE wrote:
No my bench max a couple years ago was around 375 ungeared. I weigh 235+ lbs at 5'11" with visible abdominals. I posted some pictures in the last thread.

I don't really bench for max weight anymore, and I think my shoulder probably has some labral issues. I haven't OHP heavy for about a season. Mostly doing higher rep stuff for hypertrophy, mobility, and health now.


I see. I guess u have a talent for presses, my best bench is 10 pounds short of yours but I doubt I'll ever press 275, let alone rep it.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 21 2015 02:38 GMT
#197
Bench was always my weakest. But if you haven't focused on getting your pressing strength up you should try seated OHP along with a slew of accessory exercises. I think a 1.1x bodyweight press is pretty standard for intermediate lifters, and moving it up past that hasn't been as hard as moving my bench press for me.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 21 2015 03:02 GMT
#198
On January 21 2015 11:38 IgnE wrote:
Bench was always my weakest. But if you haven't focused on getting your pressing strength up you should try seated OHP along with a slew of accessory exercises. I think a 1.1x bodyweight press is pretty standard for intermediate lifters, and moving it up past that hasn't been as hard as moving my bench press for me.


I'm a few kilos above bodyweight. What type of accesory exercises you employed?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
January 21 2015 05:31 GMT
#199
On January 21 2015 11:38 IgnE wrote:
Bench was always my weakest. But if you haven't focused on getting your pressing strength up you should try seated OHP along with a slew of accessory exercises. I think a 1.1x bodyweight press is pretty standard for intermediate lifters, and moving it up past that hasn't been as hard as moving my bench press for me.


Ugh I can barely do 80kg for 5. 110kg sounds so far away
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
January 21 2015 05:52 GMT
#200
On January 21 2015 14:31 decafchicken wrote:

Ugh I can barely do 80kg for 5. 110kg sounds so far away


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