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N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
October 12 2015 00:11 GMT
#441
Congrats on the win! That's impressive


I had a much more minor note today. But I did much much better than I thought I would--1:27:47 in the spokane half marathon.

Pacing wise I call it an excellent race for me since I didn't burn too bad. Was doing 6:40/mile throughout (actually fast in the middle but appropriately sped up; 13:30 2mi, 33:30 5mi but 53:08ish 8 mi iirc). The last bit yea did slow down but there is a pretty good climb right at miles 9 or so and I knew I would be tired.

Shout outs to like 15 people I passed because they can't pace themselves at all. I don't think anyone passed me in the race (not that it was super competitive, and the winners of course just took off from the start).
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Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
October 12 2015 02:15 GMT
#442
Hey guys, thanks for all the good karma you sent my way. It means more to me than I can say.

L_Master is right that it was a total time trial. The demon of hamstring cramps, who got to me in Portland last year, again got his claws into me in the critical part of today's race.

I fought him off as best I could. Felt real good until about 25k, then things got stinky, then things got good, then at 33k things got real stinky. The last four k were the slowest of the whole race, but I'm the most proud of them because my body wanted to quit and I didn't. I'll write a characteristically loquacious race report later this week, but for now I just want to say how grateful I am to chat about running with y'all. Distance is truth!
mtmentat
Profile Joined April 2011
United States142 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 05:15:21
October 12 2015 05:12 GMT
#443
On October 12 2015 02:20 L_Master wrote:
Dang. Last 7km really caught up to him. Slowed down to 3:55/km pace. Still good enough for 2:33:15

Not quite as fast as he could have gone, but still a pretty damn good race! A huge 6 minute PR from less than a year ago, and well inside the B goal. I know you would have loved to have those 3 extra minutes back Bonham, but seriously nice race man!

Oh and did I mention, he WON THE MARATHON! That's pretty cool in it's own right.

MTA: jetaap, it's here: https://www.sportstats.ca/display-results.xhtml?raceid=27910&status=results


HELL YEAH!

Thank you very much for posting the blow-by-blows today, L_Master. I had hoped to get back from run to tune into the early game, but ended up with ~2.5 hrs out and about myself (for a total of 15km LOL).

Bonham, you are a frickin inspiration, man! That effort, especially without anyone to key off of is simply stunning and well-deserved (you've put in the miles). Way to burn it up!
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
October 12 2015 06:13 GMT
#444
On October 12 2015 11:15 Bonham wrote:
Hey guys, thanks for all the good karma you sent my way. It means more to me than I can say.

L_Master is right that it was a total time trial. The demon of hamstring cramps, who got to me in Portland last year, again got his claws into me in the critical part of today's race.

I fought him off as best I could. Felt real good until about 25k, then things got stinky, then things got good, then at 33k things got real stinky. The last four k were the slowest of the whole race, but I'm the most proud of them because my body wanted to quit and I didn't. I'll write a characteristically loquacious race report later this week, but for now I just want to say how grateful I am to chat about running with y'all. Distance is truth!


So awesome. Saw the run on strava, epic.

Can't wait for the in depth report. Super awesome to take home a win too!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 15 2015 05:38 GMT
#445
4x1k today. 60s recovery.

3:32
3:38
3:36
3:35

3:35.3 avg. So averaged for 4 reps what my final cut-down rep was last week. I'll have to see how exactly I race on Saturday but right now I'm definitely thinking for my end of season target

"A" Goal - Sub 17
"B" Goal - Sub 17:15
"C" Goal Sub 17:30

Unless something goes really wrong I feel confident in the C goal. My "A" goal is a reach goal, but I'm still dropping weight, and only have a week and a half of actual running under me so far. Looking forward to Saturday, and hoping I can race okay despite not having run a race in over a year and a half, that last 2k is going to be tough, haven't been in running style hurt locker in a long, long time.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
mtmentat
Profile Joined April 2011
United States142 Posts
October 15 2015 13:42 GMT
#446
Good luck, L_Master! I'll be very interested to see how it goes, based on the splits for 1k it'll be pretty tough to hit the goal(s) but I'm definitely rooting for you all the same! Don't let it not hurt in the last mile!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 15 2015 14:07 GMT
#447
On October 15 2015 22:42 mtmentat wrote:
Good luck, L_Master! I'll be very interested to see how it goes, based on the splits for 1k it'll be pretty tough to hit the goal(s) but I'm definitely rooting for you all the same! Don't let it not hurt in the last mile!


Agree. I do not expect to run sub 17:30 on Saturday. Those are my end of season goals for a few months from now.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
mtmentat
Profile Joined April 2011
United States142 Posts
October 15 2015 15:47 GMT
#448
On October 15 2015 23:07 L_Master wrote:
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On October 15 2015 22:42 mtmentat wrote:
Good luck, L_Master! I'll be very interested to see how it goes, based on the splits for 1k it'll be pretty tough to hit the goal(s) but I'm definitely rooting for you all the same! Don't let it not hurt in the last mile!


Agree. I do not expect to run sub 17:30 on Saturday. Those are my end of season goals for a few months from now.

Sorry, was reading it too quickly this morning (and incorrectly). You can totally hit those times by the end of this year, barring injury. You and me, both, hopefully - I still can't break 17 after trying very hard with speed work and racing this year /may have to cut out the ice cream. Have fun on Saturday!
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
October 16 2015 21:48 GMT
#449
Good luck L_Master! FWIW, I always find the middle mile of a 5k the hardest. First one goes by on adrenaline, and the final is one big lactic acid party, but the middle tends to sag. Stay focused my friend!

(Also: marathon race report coming tomorrow.)
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-18 03:57:33
October 18 2015 03:37 GMT
#450
Today was cool. 17:56. I'm calling that a 26s PR + Show Spoiler +
allegedly I have run 17:51, but or the circumstances of the race, course, and the way I felt I've never quite bought it
! Not bad for an average of 10mpw.

Equally encouraging is the fact that I had quite a bit more in the tank. That was closer to a "hard tempo" than it was to how a 5k is supposed to hurt. Certainly had 17:45 in me today, and possible 17:3x.

The chase for sub 17 I will now declare formally ON. The bad news is this is probably the fastest course I will race. Not only is at as close to pancake flat as you get in CO, it's also at 5,100ft, about 1500ft lower in elevation than where I normally race. I can now see it as a possible goal, but it won't be easy. I might get one more shot at a truly fast course if I decide to enter a collegiate indoor 5000 in December. Will depend on how competitive I feel like I can be, and whether or not I've already broken 17. If so, I'll probably run just the mile/1500.

MTA: Holy fuck. There was this old looking dude in front of me for the first 2k or so, turns out he hung on for 18:11. Listed at 69 years old. DAMN!!!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
October 18 2015 19:07 GMT
#451
Nice moves, man. Sub-18 on that little mileage definitely means 16:xx is possible with more training. Noodling around on my bike and getting dropped by fat dudes in spandex this past week has given me a renewed appreciation for the power of specialization in endurance activity.
mtmentat
Profile Joined April 2011
United States142 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-18 20:16:54
October 18 2015 20:16 GMT
#452
Whoop! Good job, L_Master - that's a very solid performance. If I hadn't already considered biking more for cross training, I probably should now...

Old people can be really fast, and I hope to be one of them one day.
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-18 20:38:26
October 18 2015 20:30 GMT
#453
I had some things I had to shake off my head this afternoon, so I went for a 5K and tried to push myself a bit. It's pathetic compared to some of you, but i'm quite pleased by my improvement: my last 5k was 24:42 and i ran this one in 22:27 (https://www.strava.com/activities/415553497)
A nice objective would be to run a 10k at this pace, if i don't injure myself it should be doable no? I don't realize if it's realistic, if I go for longer runs my knees end up really sore for 1 or 2 days, to the point where it's really bothering to walk so it's a bit scary .
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
October 18 2015 21:54 GMT
#454
A wild race report appears! (Warning: I attempted to spend more time writing this thing than it took to run the actual race. 2600 words, baby!)

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“If you're going to die, die with your boots on.” – Iron Maiden, “Die With Your Boots On,” 1983

When I came by City Park in Kelowna to pick up my bib for the Okanagan Marathon, a children's race was about to start. It was a 1K road race, one of those novelty events race organizers sometimes hold on the day before the race proper. I was interested to observe that the tendency to go out hot and blow up, as common in fully-grown road runners as enthusiasm for finisher's medals, apparently begins well before puberty. A horde of children, some of whom looked like they'd just recently learned to walk, stampeded down the road and around the first turn. The course ran a short circuit around the race pavilion, so I was able to see every single racer tie up on the back stretch and walk home. Take note: apparently you can hit the wall even in a thousand metre race.

Later I went to a Korean place for lunch with my family and girlfriend, all of whom had travelled long distances to come see me run. Halfway through my bowl of noodle soup, panic gripped me. It suddenly dawned on me that there had been a little shredded red cabbage garnishing the dish, and I'd eaten it without a second thought. As I'd learned the hard way in training that raw cabbage was to my GI system what the Death Star was to Alderaan, I was concerned. I even asked my girlfriend, who is a physician, if she could get me an emetic on short notice. Sensibly, she declined.

I often have trouble sleeping the night before a race, but this marathon was particularly bad. Lying on a squishy couch bed in our rented condo, I tossed and turned and turned and tossed without end. I listened to the wind, which sounded like it was blowing at hurricane-force. Sleep eventually came, but not for long. Four thirty, it turns out, comes pretty early in the morning.

Prerace breakfast was steel-cut oats with a little milk and jam, and a few cups of coffee. To my relief, my guts were moving well, and I took advantage of the fact that everyone else was asleep to make liberal use of the bathroom. Around 5, my girlfriend got up and ate a bit of oatmeal with me. As someone with Known Executive Capabilities, she's a comfort to me whenever I'm feeling nervous, and I seldom feel more nervous than I did that morning.

This race weighed on me like no other in my memory. I'd had an uneven season despite some pretty solid training, punctuated by a disappointing half marathon in August. Training had gone quite well since then, though, and I knew if everything went well I could break 2:30 today. But what if everything didn't go well? My mind churned with fears of wind, of rain, of going off-course, of screwing up my feed schedule, of getting scalped in the last five k, of getting sabotaged by my bowels. More than anything, I didn't want to quit if things got tough. I'd really phoned in that half marathon and the experience of throwing a mid-race pity party for yourself was not one I wanted to repeat.

Then she pinned my bib onto my singlet, I put on my uniform and warmup clothes, and we piled into a car to go down to the start race. My parents, along with my brother and sister-in-law, sensibly slept a bit more and met us later.

A word about this uniform: I received a modest sponsorship this year. In exchange for some free shoes and discounts on running clothes, I'm obliged to wear a pair of very short shorts and a singlet that, combined, but barely meet the demands of decency. I've gotten used to them, but when I first tried them on I remember feeling like I was not too far from running around in my underwear. Good thing I wouldn't be wearing this in some situation where my picture would be taken a bunch, right? Right.

The race site was dark and very quiet when we arrived. The Okanagan Marathon is not huge, and one of the advantages of its size is that parking is easier to find, and lineups to portapotties shorter. The downside of a small race is that the organization might be suspect, and the odds of finding someone to run with are lower.

So I used the biff, warmed up, and made my way to the start line. I also ran into a bunch of runners I knew here. This year I met almost all of the players in Edmonton's running scene, and a bunch were around the start to run the half marathon, which started 30 minutes after the full. It would be my last time i familiar company for the rest of the morning.

I wasn't quite sure what to expect when the gun went off. I knew from looking at previous winning times and chatting with some running friends that I was probably going to run most of the race on my own. But who knows how the first 10k will roll? Someone might try to hang and blow up real bad. Maybe a 2:2x guy would be there and drag me along for a bit.

Instead, I was on my own after about 100 metres. With a weird mix of excitement and resignation, I tried to settle in. Excitement because I'd been building to this race since May and knew I had it in me to run a good time. Resignation because the first half of a marathon is such a test of patience–if it feels like you're working, you're working too hard. There's nothing to do but sit back and let the miles roll by, and I've never been a particularly patient guy.

To pass the time, I chatted with the cyclists a bit. I had two with me at that point, and they were as eager for stimulation as me. They asked me my PRs, my age, and my goals. I asked them if they'd switch with me after 20 miles.

Goal pace was 3:32/km, and it felt just like marathon pace should. We noodled out through an industrial area, then back along the shore of Lake Okanagan. Kelowna is a pretty hilly town, but the Okanagan course is very flat. This flatness comes at a price: the half marathon course has lots of turns in it, and the full course is just two laps of the half route. Since the half starts a haf hour after the full, I was going to have to pass a good portion of the half marathon field in the second half of the race, when energy stores are low and decision-making is suspect.

I popped my first gel at 5k, though I was not remotely hungry. I'm a firm believer that running a good marathon is as much about nailing the intra-race nutrition as anything else, and after much experimentation and hand-wringing had decided to take gel at 5k, 15k, 25k, and 35k. A schedule like this had worked pretty well in training, though I'd never taken four in one run.

After about eight k, I had my first taste of what you might call the mass media angle of this experience. I was already a good ways ahead of the rest of the field, and some dude I didn't know from Adam rolled up on his bike and started snapping pictures of me. He didn't introduce himself or ask me if I minded or anything. Our only conversation came when I pointed out some cars approaching on the other side of the road, as he was riding in the left lane. After about ten minutes he rode off.

Ten miles in, the course crossed one of Kelowna's many 60 kph speed limit roads. Cars have seldom heard a discouraging word from pedestrians in Kelowna, and they drive like they are used to it. The course marshals mistakenly let a taxi cab onto the road just as I was approaching. Dude must have been making 70 kph as I came to the crossing. I was weighing whether the forces of cosmic justice would protect me if I didn't interrupt my stride to let him pass when my cyclists showed great courage and stopped in the middle of the road before I hit it. The taxi slammed on its breaks and I went through the intersection with no problem.

I hit halfway right on schedule at 1:14 high and passed through the finish zone. There was a good sized crowd there by now, and I heard my name come over the sound system and saw my family and people started to cheer for me, including my girlfriend adorably waving her arms like an air-traffic controller. This gave me a little boost of adrenaline and I felt very, very strong as I cruised through and started my second lap.

The legs started to feel a bit heavy here, but I wasn't panicked. I knew I'd put in some good work and feeling a little tired was OK. One of the benefits of this two-lap course was that I had a lot of encouragement from the other runners. People would say “look at him go!” or “holy shit!” or whatnot as I passed by, which for the most part made up for the hassle of navigating around them as I tried to run the tangents. Accessing the water stations was also harder from here, but my cyclist, sterling guy that he was, realized this. He started to ask me if I wanted water as we approached a station, then he'd ride ahead, let them know, and get someone out onto the left side of the course to hand me drink. What a guy!

Around 25k I started to feel a bit rough. The day was a bit hotter and windier than ideal conditions, and with no one to race against I had little to occupy my mind other than the next ten daunting miles. Twenty five to 30k was not great, though looking at the splits in retrospect I can see I didn't slow at all until I hit 30k. I ran that one in 3:42 and the next two at the same speed. It dawned on me that 2:2x probably was not going to happen to day at this point, but I thought that 2:3-low was still possible and I resolved to push as much as I could. I got under 3:40/km for the next three.

Then I hit 35k and popped my final gel. My stomach felt very unhappy about this and instantly cramped. Looking at my splits now, I'm amazed at how quickly this makes itself felt. I ran the thirty-sixth k in 3:52, then 3:49 and 3:55.

This was when the marathon really had me in its house of pain. I tried to spit, but I lacked the necessary energy so this gross gobbet to phlem stuck to my face. I also lacked the energy to wipe it away, so it hung there for the rest of the race. I tried to croak a joke to my cyclist about switching. Recognizing my distress, he tried to get the half marathoners to give me a cheer, but when they cheered all I could do was stare and grimace at them. Smiling was not possible and their adulation brought no comfort.

Everyone dreams about digging deep and charging through the last few miles of a marathon, but as I entered the home stretch all I could think about was making the pain stop. Over the final four k I slowed to what felt like a total death march. My stomach complained. Three separate times my hamstrings spasmed violently. It felt just like Portland last year. I knew if they seized up, not only would I DNF, I might collapse and smack my head on the asphalt.

It felt like the cells in my body banded together in a supermajority and presented my prefrontal cortex with a unanimous petition to stop moving immediately. Issuing the a veto took all the willpower at my disposal. It hurt so much I forgot to enjoy winning a marathon for the first time in my life. I stopped looking at my watch. I stopped hearing the cheers of the crowd, increasingly loud as I approached the finish. I staggered onward and wondered if being dead would feel better than this.

I waddled up the finishing chute and over the line, then shuffled over to the barricade to hug my girlfriend. My amazing family all hugged my sweaty, spit-stained body without the slightest hesitation. After a few minutes, I turned around to find a bottle of water to drink.

A pack of reporters was waiting for me. With no preamble, they started spitting questions. How did I deal with the wind? Was it hard to race on my own? Was it fun to win? What did I think about the organization? I stammered out whatever nonsense came to mind into the bouquet of hungry microphones. After five or ten minutes, they left me in peace.

Looking back, I’m most proud of those final four k. I ran them pretty slow--about 4:04 on average--but I didn’t give up the way I had at the half marathon in August. I’m not sure I really embraced the suffering the way the best runners do in the last quarter of a marathon (and like I know I can when things go well), but when things hurt the most I kept fighting. I died, but at least I died with my boots on. That’s an encouraging thought.

In the final analysis, I can say the following things went sideways on me:

1 The last gel really stung. I lost 13 seconds/k right after I took it, and things only got worse from there. I don’t know if I should have just had three and spread them out more, or waited more to eat the final one, or tried liquid calories or what, but I need to make some changes to nutrition for the next one.
2 This is the second marathon in row where I’ve had my legs freak out and spasm in the final stretch. I need to figure out what makes this happen and prevent it. One of my running buddies prescribed coconut water the night before a race to me when I told him about Portland. At the time I thought he was crazy--he’s never met a supplement he didn’t like--but I may revisit his council for my next marathon.
3 The weather was unexpectedly hot and windy. Not disastrously so, but an appreciable distance from ideal conditions.
4 Running the whole thing as a time trial made it harder to really lean in when the going got tough.
5 I failed to realize how terrible my form looked at the precise point when everyone in Kelowna would be taking a picture of me. The photos local newspaper photographers took of me as I finished make it look like I race-walked the whole distance.

All in all, though, it was a really fun experience. Despite everything that went wrong, I still took six minutes off my old PB and confirmed that I can break 2:30 next year if I keep working. My guts didn’t betray me and I didn’t get lost. Plus I had a lot of fun and got to break the tape for the first time ever.

I can’t wait to get back at it, though the few easy runs I’ve tried in the week after the race have confirmed that I should probably wait a bit more.

It’s tough, though, because running is the best.
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
October 20 2015 12:09 GMT
#455
L_Master, can you explain cycling to me? Yesterday on my ride this dude with silver hair in spandex passed me about 20 minutes into my ride. I was thinking "Oh well, I'm not really a cyclist, whatever" and resigning to let him go when I noticed just how fat he was. I thought "this will not stand, man." I wound up chasing this dude at 35kph for ten k over flat ground. The whole time, he had this smirk on his face that told me he was totally toying with me.

What the hell is going on? His bike might have been a bit lighter than mine, but if that man can run 5k in 25 minutes I am the Queen of France. Is biking just a BS sport full of garbage, or was dude on EPO?
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
October 20 2015 12:15 GMT
#456
On flat ground the energy you're spending is only used to compensate the energy lost to friction (on the road and against the wind) so weight is not really a factor. Weight is only a factor when you're going uphill
Gjhc
Profile Joined January 2013
Portugal161 Posts
October 20 2015 12:41 GMT
#457
That made me laugh Bonham, that's a situation most newer cyclists face and have no words to explain what happened. But it's completely normal.

Going at 35kph for 10k flat is not really a big deal for someone with some cycling training. And that fat man probably has years if not decades of cycling, there are plenty of older people that ride for longer than I live and have done so consistently over the years though not competing in any race. And for all we know he might have actually raced when younger. Riding and running are 2 very different sports, running well doesn't make you cycle well and vice-versa. The effort is significantly different, though I'm not the best person to explain it in detail since I know little about which muscles are used and that stuff.

Plus you got to remember that weight is almost irrelevant in flat surfaces, once you gain the momentum you only have to overcome the ground and mostly air friction. Only when going uphill the weight difference becomes relevant and it does matter a lot. For a typical climbing situation (7% grade, rider weight of 70kg) you can save around 5s/kg/mile. So maybe next time you can ask him to go climb some nearby hill and smirk when he is sweating trying to keep up with you :p
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 20 2015 15:30 GMT
#458
On October 20 2015 21:09 Bonham wrote:
L_Master, can you explain cycling to me? Yesterday on my ride this dude with silver hair in spandex passed me about 20 minutes into my ride. I was thinking "Oh well, I'm not really a cyclist, whatever" and resigning to let him go when I noticed just how fat he was. I thought "this will not stand, man." I wound up chasing this dude at 35kph for ten k over flat ground. The whole time, he had this smirk on his face that told me he was totally toying with me.

What the hell is going on? His bike might have been a bit lighter than mine, but if that man can run 5k in 25 minutes I am the Queen of France. Is biking just a BS sport full of garbage, or was dude on EPO?


My first question is what kind of tires are on your bike? Jake the Snake is what is called a cross bike, and is basically a road bike with some small changes that make it a little more suitable for handling sand, mud, and a little gravel. The big question is the tires, do they look like + Show Spoiler [this] +
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If you've got something more like the first tire I posted that's going to have a significant impact on your speed. Can never say for sure, but could easily be worth 1-3 kph in speed. Knobby tires are designed to grip better while cornering on loose surfaces, but they have a greater contact area and more irregularity with the ground and thus require more energy to roll.

Also in that vein, what sort of clothing were you wearing? If you've got flappy shorts and a loose TShirt you're losing something noticeable above 30kph

Beyond that, you said this was on flat ground. When riding on the flats there is a very, very minimal penalty for the actual difference in weight. It's like something that would take you from 8:00 pace to 8:10 pace. All extra weight does on the flats is marginally increase rolling resistance of the tires, but at decent speeds like 35+ kph 95% or more of your power is going to overcome wind resistance, which doesn't care how fat you are. Granted, a fat guy generally will take up a little more space in the wind, but with good position the difference becomes not that much greater than a skinny dude.

Now, most big guys tend to have more power because they have more body and muscle mass to work with. So rolling resistance nor wind hurt them that bad on the flat, but they have much more power, and thus can really zip along on the flats. A 120kg guy on flat ground pushing 260 watts is going to blow away a skinny dude weighing 60kg and pushing. 200W. Head to a decent hill with those numbers and it all changes, the 60kg guy will go up the climb probably 30% faster.

It's also worth noting that while this chubster is not going to run 25' 5k because he is way too heavy, he is pretty fit. If you're going 35kph that takes some effort, probably like 7:15 -7:30 pace equivalent for running. If that guy was just chilling pushing that he's probably got an FTP (one hour wattage) in the upper 200s. That's reasonable power for a weekend warrior.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 20 2015 15:36 GMT
#459
On October 19 2015 06:54 Bonham wrote:
A wild race report appears! (Warning: I attempted to spend more time writing this thing than it took to run the actual race. 2600 words, baby!)

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“If you're going to die, die with your boots on.” – Iron Maiden, “Die With Your Boots On,” 1983

When I came by City Park in Kelowna to pick up my bib for the Okanagan Marathon, a children's race was about to start. It was a 1K road race, one of those novelty events race organizers sometimes hold on the day before the race proper. I was interested to observe that the tendency to go out hot and blow up, as common in fully-grown road runners as enthusiasm for finisher's medals, apparently begins well before puberty. A horde of children, some of whom looked like they'd just recently learned to walk, stampeded down the road and around the first turn. The course ran a short circuit around the race pavilion, so I was able to see every single racer tie up on the back stretch and walk home. Take note: apparently you can hit the wall even in a thousand metre race.

Later I went to a Korean place for lunch with my family and girlfriend, all of whom had travelled long distances to come see me run. Halfway through my bowl of noodle soup, panic gripped me. It suddenly dawned on me that there had been a little shredded red cabbage garnishing the dish, and I'd eaten it without a second thought. As I'd learned the hard way in training that raw cabbage was to my GI system what the Death Star was to Alderaan, I was concerned. I even asked my girlfriend, who is a physician, if she could get me an emetic on short notice. Sensibly, she declined.

I often have trouble sleeping the night before a race, but this marathon was particularly bad. Lying on a squishy couch bed in our rented condo, I tossed and turned and turned and tossed without end. I listened to the wind, which sounded like it was blowing at hurricane-force. Sleep eventually came, but not for long. Four thirty, it turns out, comes pretty early in the morning.

Prerace breakfast was steel-cut oats with a little milk and jam, and a few cups of coffee. To my relief, my guts were moving well, and I took advantage of the fact that everyone else was asleep to make liberal use of the bathroom. Around 5, my girlfriend got up and ate a bit of oatmeal with me. As someone with Known Executive Capabilities, she's a comfort to me whenever I'm feeling nervous, and I seldom feel more nervous than I did that morning.

This race weighed on me like no other in my memory. I'd had an uneven season despite some pretty solid training, punctuated by a disappointing half marathon in August. Training had gone quite well since then, though, and I knew if everything went well I could break 2:30 today. But what if everything didn't go well? My mind churned with fears of wind, of rain, of going off-course, of screwing up my feed schedule, of getting scalped in the last five k, of getting sabotaged by my bowels. More than anything, I didn't want to quit if things got tough. I'd really phoned in that half marathon and the experience of throwing a mid-race pity party for yourself was not one I wanted to repeat.

Then she pinned my bib onto my singlet, I put on my uniform and warmup clothes, and we piled into a car to go down to the start race. My parents, along with my brother and sister-in-law, sensibly slept a bit more and met us later.

A word about this uniform: I received a modest sponsorship this year. In exchange for some free shoes and discounts on running clothes, I'm obliged to wear a pair of very short shorts and a singlet that, combined, but barely meet the demands of decency. I've gotten used to them, but when I first tried them on I remember feeling like I was not too far from running around in my underwear. Good thing I wouldn't be wearing this in some situation where my picture would be taken a bunch, right? Right.

The race site was dark and very quiet when we arrived. The Okanagan Marathon is not huge, and one of the advantages of its size is that parking is easier to find, and lineups to portapotties shorter. The downside of a small race is that the organization might be suspect, and the odds of finding someone to run with are lower.

So I used the biff, warmed up, and made my way to the start line. I also ran into a bunch of runners I knew here. This year I met almost all of the players in Edmonton's running scene, and a bunch were around the start to run the half marathon, which started 30 minutes after the full. It would be my last time i familiar company for the rest of the morning.

I wasn't quite sure what to expect when the gun went off. I knew from looking at previous winning times and chatting with some running friends that I was probably going to run most of the race on my own. But who knows how the first 10k will roll? Someone might try to hang and blow up real bad. Maybe a 2:2x guy would be there and drag me along for a bit.

Instead, I was on my own after about 100 metres. With a weird mix of excitement and resignation, I tried to settle in. Excitement because I'd been building to this race since May and knew I had it in me to run a good time. Resignation because the first half of a marathon is such a test of patience–if it feels like you're working, you're working too hard. There's nothing to do but sit back and let the miles roll by, and I've never been a particularly patient guy.

To pass the time, I chatted with the cyclists a bit. I had two with me at that point, and they were as eager for stimulation as me. They asked me my PRs, my age, and my goals. I asked them if they'd switch with me after 20 miles.

Goal pace was 3:32/km, and it felt just like marathon pace should. We noodled out through an industrial area, then back along the shore of Lake Okanagan. Kelowna is a pretty hilly town, but the Okanagan course is very flat. This flatness comes at a price: the half marathon course has lots of turns in it, and the full course is just two laps of the half route. Since the half starts a haf hour after the full, I was going to have to pass a good portion of the half marathon field in the second half of the race, when energy stores are low and decision-making is suspect.

I popped my first gel at 5k, though I was not remotely hungry. I'm a firm believer that running a good marathon is as much about nailing the intra-race nutrition as anything else, and after much experimentation and hand-wringing had decided to take gel at 5k, 15k, 25k, and 35k. A schedule like this had worked pretty well in training, though I'd never taken four in one run.

After about eight k, I had my first taste of what you might call the mass media angle of this experience. I was already a good ways ahead of the rest of the field, and some dude I didn't know from Adam rolled up on his bike and started snapping pictures of me. He didn't introduce himself or ask me if I minded or anything. Our only conversation came when I pointed out some cars approaching on the other side of the road, as he was riding in the left lane. After about ten minutes he rode off.

Ten miles in, the course crossed one of Kelowna's many 60 kph speed limit roads. Cars have seldom heard a discouraging word from pedestrians in Kelowna, and they drive like they are used to it. The course marshals mistakenly let a taxi cab onto the road just as I was approaching. Dude must have been making 70 kph as I came to the crossing. I was weighing whether the forces of cosmic justice would protect me if I didn't interrupt my stride to let him pass when my cyclists showed great courage and stopped in the middle of the road before I hit it. The taxi slammed on its breaks and I went through the intersection with no problem.

I hit halfway right on schedule at 1:14 high and passed through the finish zone. There was a good sized crowd there by now, and I heard my name come over the sound system and saw my family and people started to cheer for me, including my girlfriend adorably waving her arms like an air-traffic controller. This gave me a little boost of adrenaline and I felt very, very strong as I cruised through and started my second lap.

The legs started to feel a bit heavy here, but I wasn't panicked. I knew I'd put in some good work and feeling a little tired was OK. One of the benefits of this two-lap course was that I had a lot of encouragement from the other runners. People would say “look at him go!” or “holy shit!” or whatnot as I passed by, which for the most part made up for the hassle of navigating around them as I tried to run the tangents. Accessing the water stations was also harder from here, but my cyclist, sterling guy that he was, realized this. He started to ask me if I wanted water as we approached a station, then he'd ride ahead, let them know, and get someone out onto the left side of the course to hand me drink. What a guy!

Around 25k I started to feel a bit rough. The day was a bit hotter and windier than ideal conditions, and with no one to race against I had little to occupy my mind other than the next ten daunting miles. Twenty five to 30k was not great, though looking at the splits in retrospect I can see I didn't slow at all until I hit 30k. I ran that one in 3:42 and the next two at the same speed. It dawned on me that 2:2x probably was not going to happen to day at this point, but I thought that 2:3-low was still possible and I resolved to push as much as I could. I got under 3:40/km for the next three.

Then I hit 35k and popped my final gel. My stomach felt very unhappy about this and instantly cramped. Looking at my splits now, I'm amazed at how quickly this makes itself felt. I ran the thirty-sixth k in 3:52, then 3:49 and 3:55.

This was when the marathon really had me in its house of pain. I tried to spit, but I lacked the necessary energy so this gross gobbet to phlem stuck to my face. I also lacked the energy to wipe it away, so it hung there for the rest of the race. I tried to croak a joke to my cyclist about switching. Recognizing my distress, he tried to get the half marathoners to give me a cheer, but when they cheered all I could do was stare and grimace at them. Smiling was not possible and their adulation brought no comfort.

Everyone dreams about digging deep and charging through the last few miles of a marathon, but as I entered the home stretch all I could think about was making the pain stop. Over the final four k I slowed to what felt like a total death march. My stomach complained. Three separate times my hamstrings spasmed violently. It felt just like Portland last year. I knew if they seized up, not only would I DNF, I might collapse and smack my head on the asphalt.

It felt like the cells in my body banded together in a supermajority and presented my prefrontal cortex with a unanimous petition to stop moving immediately. Issuing the a veto took all the willpower at my disposal. It hurt so much I forgot to enjoy winning a marathon for the first time in my life. I stopped looking at my watch. I stopped hearing the cheers of the crowd, increasingly loud as I approached the finish. I staggered onward and wondered if being dead would feel better than this.

I waddled up the finishing chute and over the line, then shuffled over to the barricade to hug my girlfriend. My amazing family all hugged my sweaty, spit-stained body without the slightest hesitation. After a few minutes, I turned around to find a bottle of water to drink.

A pack of reporters was waiting for me. With no preamble, they started spitting questions. How did I deal with the wind? Was it hard to race on my own? Was it fun to win? What did I think about the organization? I stammered out whatever nonsense came to mind into the bouquet of hungry microphones. After five or ten minutes, they left me in peace.

Looking back, I’m most proud of those final four k. I ran them pretty slow--about 4:04 on average--but I didn’t give up the way I had at the half marathon in August. I’m not sure I really embraced the suffering the way the best runners do in the last quarter of a marathon (and like I know I can when things go well), but when things hurt the most I kept fighting. I died, but at least I died with my boots on. That’s an encouraging thought.

In the final analysis, I can say the following things went sideways on me:

1 The last gel really stung. I lost 13 seconds/k right after I took it, and things only got worse from there. I don’t know if I should have just had three and spread them out more, or waited more to eat the final one, or tried liquid calories or what, but I need to make some changes to nutrition for the next one.
2 This is the second marathon in row where I’ve had my legs freak out and spasm in the final stretch. I need to figure out what makes this happen and prevent it. One of my running buddies prescribed coconut water the night before a race to me when I told him about Portland. At the time I thought he was crazy--he’s never met a supplement he didn’t like--but I may revisit his council for my next marathon.
3 The weather was unexpectedly hot and windy. Not disastrously so, but an appreciable distance from ideal conditions.
4 Running the whole thing as a time trial made it harder to really lean in when the going got tough.
5 I failed to realize how terrible my form looked at the precise point when everyone in Kelowna would be taking a picture of me. The photos local newspaper photographers took of me as I finished make it look like I race-walked the whole distance.

All in all, though, it was a really fun experience. Despite everything that went wrong, I still took six minutes off my old PB and confirmed that I can break 2:30 next year if I keep working. My guts didn’t betray me and I didn’t get lost. Plus I had a lot of fun and got to break the tape for the first time ever.

I can’t wait to get back at it, though the few easy runs I’ve tried in the week after the race have confirmed that I should probably wait a bit more.

It’s tough, though, because running is the best.


As usual, always enjoy the race reports!

Yea, with spasms in consecutive races it sounds like something you definitely need to figure out if you want to run to your potential. They've cost minutes each time.

Didn't realize the day was warm, or had some winds. Don't know exactly what the conditions were but that could easily be worth some time and also perhaps contribute to some of the end of race struggles.

That lead "vehicle" guy sounds like a total badass. Talk about doing a job right!

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Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
October 21 2015 00:34 GMT
#460
I'm glad you guys found it amusing. I had a pretty good laugh when I got home. Also thanks for the explanations.

To answer L_Master's questions:

I've replaced the tires that came on my Jake with slightly smoother commuter ones. So not nobbly but not skinny either. Just kind of smooth with a small amount of tread. I was wearing 7" running shorts and a t-shirt.

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