On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Lol are you joking ? Boxing is a worldwide sport with a hundered years of tradition. There are prob 2000 female mma fighters in the whole world. The scale of competition and talent is not even close.
true, dana's analogy was pretty bad... Tyson had a lot more competition... and fought bigger guys at least 1/2 the time.
Is Mcgregor A Good PPV Draw?
Mcgregor and White have spoken a lot of "big talk" about what a great draw Mcgregor is or will become in the future. so just for fun i checked out the PPV buy rates for UFC 178 . it was the 24th highest buy rate in the past 30 PPVs. 205,000 to be exact.
i remember at the post fight press conference Mcgregor claiming he was the one responsible for bringing in the PPV buys for UFC 178 and not the main event guys. of course when he said it he didn't know the buy rate. with 205,000 buys.. i wonder if mcgregor wants to take back what he said. For a featherweight Mcgregor is an above average draw.... he is a long way from taking Brock Lesnar's place.
Well Brock got a lot of PPV draws from WWE. For a guy who doesn't have a huge audience before UFC, Mcgregor is pretty good ppv relative to his ranking.
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Lol are you joking ? Boxing is a worldwide sport with a hundered years of tradition. There are prob 2000 female mma fighters in the whole world. The scale of competition and talent is not even close.
true, dana's analogy was pretty bad... Tyson had a lot more competition... and fought bigger guys at least 1/2 the time.
Is Mcgregor A Good PPV Draw?
Mcgregor and White have spoken a lot of "big talk" about what a great draw Mcgregor is or will become in the future. so just for fun i checked out the PPV buy rates for UFC 178 . it was the 24th highest buy rate in the past 30 PPVs. 205,000 to be exact.
i remember at the post fight press conference Mcgregor claiming he was the one responsible for bringing in the PPV buys for UFC 178 and not the main event guys. of course when he said it he didn't know the buy rate. with 205,000 buys.. i wonder if mcgregor wants to take back what he said. For a featherweight Mcgregor is an above average draw.... he is a long way from taking Brock Lesnar's place.
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Lol are you joking ? Boxing is a worldwide sport with a hundered years of tradition. There are prob 2000 female mma fighters in the whole world. The scale of competition and talent is not even close.
true, dana's analogy was pretty bad... Tyson had a lot more competition... and fought bigger guys at least 1/2 the time.
Is Mcgregor A Good PPV Draw?
Mcgregor and White have spoken a lot of "big talk" about what a great draw Mcgregor is or will become in the future. so just for fun i checked out the PPV buy rates for UFC 178 . it was the 24th highest buy rate in the past 30 PPVs. 205,000 to be exact.
i remember at the post fight press conference Mcgregor claiming he was the one responsible for bringing in the PPV buys for UFC 178 and not the main event guys. of course when he said it he didn't know the buy rate. with 205,000 buys.. i wonder if mcgregor wants to take back what he said. For a featherweight Mcgregor is an above average draw.... he is a long way from taking Brock Lesnar's place.
what were his ratings when he fought Siver?
look back in this thread. its discussed. some peopel said it was because of the NFL game and people sticking around. some people , like me , credited Mcgregor for the rating.
On March 04 2015 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote: ot saying they were 'all luck' or anything, but they weren't all displays of technical excellence either. The guy got some knockouts throwing hay-makers, I don't really see anything controversial about that though.
none of these fights are 1-punch knockouts.. title of video is misleading... its just some youtube guy making a video.
i'll start with #3. Berbick v. Tyson 1986... the entire fight can be seen for free on youtube.com
The video shows Tyson's final shot on a guy staggering semi-conscious all over the ring. Berbick fell twice and was hit by at least 30 punches before Tyson started throwing haymakers in the 2nd round . No boxing analyst any where would call the Tyson v. Berbick match a "1 punch KO" fight that relied on Tyson throwing 1 big single punch. i'll cover the 9 others in that list later. Under Rooney, Tyson only opened up on guys once they were hurt.
It's fights like #3 why seasoned observers of combat sports ( like Dana White ) still speak of Tyson with reverence in their voice.
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Lol are you joking ? Boxing is a worldwide sport with a hundered years of tradition. There are prob 2000 female mma fighters in the whole world. The scale of competition and talent is not even close.
true, dana's analogy was pretty bad... Tyson had a lot more competition... and fought bigger guys at least 1/2 the time.
Is Mcgregor A Good PPV Draw?
Mcgregor and White have spoken a lot of "big talk" about what a great draw Mcgregor is or will become in the future. so just for fun i checked out the PPV buy rates for UFC 178 . it was the 24th highest buy rate in the past 30 PPVs. 205,000 to be exact.
i remember at the post fight press conference Mcgregor claiming he was the one responsible for bringing in the PPV buys for UFC 178 and not the main event guys. of course when he said it he didn't know the buy rate. with 205,000 buys.. i wonder if mcgregor wants to take back what he said. For a featherweight Mcgregor is an above average draw.... he is a long way from taking Brock Lesnar's place.
what were his ratings when he fought Siver?
look back in this thread. its discussed. some peopel said it was because of the NFL game and people sticking around. some people , like me , credited Mcgregor for the rating.
On March 04 2015 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote: ot saying they were 'all luck' or anything, but they weren't all displays of technical excellence either. The guy got some knockouts throwing hay-makers, I don't really see anything controversial about that though.
none of these fights are 1-punch knockouts.. title of video is misleading... its just some youtube guy making a video.
i'll start with #3. Berbick v. Tyson 1986... the entire fight can be seen for free on youtube.com
The video shows Tyson's final shot on a guy staggering semi-conscious all over the ring. Berbick fell twice and was hit by at least 30 punches before Tyson started throwing haymakers in the 2nd round . No boxing analyst any where would call the Tyson v. Berbick match a "1 punch KO" fight that relied on Tyson throwing 1 big single punch. i'll cover the 9 others in that list later. Under Rooney, Tyson only opened up on guys once they were hurt.
It's fights like #3 why seasoned observers of combat sports ( like Dana White ) still speak of Tyson with reverence in their voice.
You don't have to bother (for me anyway) I don't mean literally he only threw one punch, and it's not like he didn't have any skills.
Basically his personal Olympic style of 'boxing' (wildly trying to punch guys head off) would surface occasionally and score him a knockout (not that he didn't do any boxing beforehand).
I think it's a little easier to see looking at his growth in this: + Show Spoiler +
After watching that though I doubt Rhonda could really ever be as impressive as Tyson, but in fighting I'd say she's closer to Tyson than Mayweather is. Despite Mayweather's dominance and the true impressiveness of having some of the best punchers in the world try their hardest to punch you and fail, I am just not even remotely entertained. The only reason I am going to watch the fight is hoping and praying Manny knocks his ass out.
Would make my year to know the guy who handed him his loss was an active congressman lol.
Here is my favourite Tyson technique. This is a method of combating the jab of a taller fighter with a longer reach. Its usable in any combat sport because of how low you remain during its use.
The key is you never let your head pass through the center line and stay low and punch up.. feel for your opponent's chin with ur left hand. use ur eyes and your left hand to "hone in on" your opponent's chin.
This is how a shorter fighter with smaller reach can get inside and start a brawl.
Rogan is full of crap and also he is just promoting a UFC fighter. the UFC is trying to do its part towards manufacturing a star. i think the UFC, Dana, Rogan et al are doing a good job promoting her.
Rousey has headlined 2 events with buy rates of 350,000 and 450,000.
All premilinary #s in from last weekend indicate the buyrate for UFC 184 is above 600,000 So whatever they are doing.. its working.
its tough to generate 600,000+ buys when the head liner is not a heavyweight champ.
all Rogan wants.. is for people to talk about what he talked about.
Am I the only one who enjoys watching people like GSP, Rory, and Mayweather fight? I'm talking about their "boring" styles like GSP's later fights, not when he was knocking people out in his rise and prime. Not that I don't enjoy highlight-reel worthy knockouts and submissions - I love watching those as well. It's just that I also enjoy seeing highly technical striking and a good strategy come together.
Example would be Rory vs Tyron. Even when I was watching that fight live (before I saw that fantastic video breaking down all the tactics being used) I enjoyed how someone was able to make such an explosive power puncher look so ineffective. Even if I didn't truly understand the depth of what Rory was doing, it was still impressive to watch. Little things that are hard to pick up like footwork, which and when punches are thrown, staying out of range and avoiding big power punches.... All of that takes a great deal of skill. Just like Anderson Silva's standing in front of his opponent, bobbing and weaving, dodging strikes with his hands down. And yeah, Silva's showboating is definitely more impressive to watch, but to me, those "boring" styles are impressive too.
Oh and I'm a bit late on this one, but I'm real happy Koshchek got submitted like that with all the cameras on his face.
I don't mind generally smart fighting, what I don't like is never intending to finish the fight. And settling for better positions and control over trying to advance and finish. If inaction was punished and/or fights went until fighters either submitted or were unable to intelligently defend themselves I would have no problem with their styles.
Mayweather fights would take on a whole new level of entertainment if he kept fighting and dodging until the guy just threw in the towel or got too beat up. Same for GSP.
They would probably become my favorite fighters. But when the fight just ends because they dodged and controlled while dealing just enough damage long enough to make the last bell I feel unsatisfied and the fight feels unresolved.
On March 05 2015 12:36 JimmiC wrote: For GSP it seamed great when he really beat the guy up bad. Like Koscheck and BJ penn. But when he just controlled it wasn't as good like the hardy fight, where he just controlled.
Yeah GSP on the way to the championship was a monster.
On March 04 2015 06:03 wei2coolman wrote: Well Brock got a lot of PPV draws from WWE. For a guy who doesn't have a huge audience before UFC, Mcgregor is pretty good ppv relative to his ranking.
On March 04 2015 06:25 JimmiC wrote: Not too mention it wasn't even a championship match and Brock was usually fighting another big draw, Mir, Carwin, or couture who put up massive numbers on his own.
He's a pretty big draw considering he was a few fights away from contention. Lets see how he does vs aldo, and if he wins how his first defense does before you write him off. Another factor is buys for PPV in general are down due to economy.
The "Bad Economy" excuse: in 2008 at the height of the financial crisis UFC's PPV #s went up. plus, the economy where i am is fine rez R.E. prices keep on rising. i split my time 50/50 between Ontario and New York.
Does Lesnar Draw? Or is it because of others like WWE, UFC, New Japan?
Carwin drew big only 1-time and that's when he fought Lesnar. Carwin is not a draw. Mir's only draw near 1 million occurred when he fought Lesnar. No one else in UFC history has as many 900K+ buys.
The WWE is a contest between the entire roster to see who the best money draw is. It does not matter how good a fighter you are. The guy holding the "WWE Championship" is always one of its best money draws, and usually the #1 draw. Unless, its the guy married to Vince's daughter.
Since leaving the UFC and returning to the WWE Brock Lesnar has once again been a ratings and PPV machine for the WWE.
He has been the longest reigning "WWE Champion" in the past 5 years for only one reason: he draws PPV and gate money better than any other WWE employee.
Conclusion as before: Lesnar is, was, and always has been a big money draw no matter where he is. At this point, Lesnar is a way bigger draw than Mcgregor. Mcgregor's #s may improve substantially if he wins the belt. They'll need to for him to even get any consideration as a UFC top draw.
On March 04 2015 06:03 wei2coolman wrote: Well Brock got a lot of PPV draws from WWE. For a guy who doesn't have a huge audience before UFC, Mcgregor is pretty good ppv relative to his ranking.
On March 04 2015 06:25 JimmiC wrote: Not too mention it wasn't even a championship match and Brock was usually fighting another big draw, Mir, Carwin, or couture who put up massive numbers on his own.
He's a pretty big draw considering he was a few fights away from contention. Lets see how he does vs aldo, and if he wins how his first defense does before you write him off. Another factor is buys for PPV in general are down due to economy.
The "Bad Economy" excuse: in 2008 at the height of the financial crisis UFC's PPV #s went up. plus, the economy where i am is fine rez R.E. prices keep on rising. i split my time 50/50 between Ontario and New York.
Does Lesnar Draw? Or is it because of others like WWE, UFC, New Japan?
Carwin drew big only 1-time and that's when he fought Lesnar. Carwin is not a draw. Mir's only draw near 1 million occurred when he fought Lesnar. No one else in UFC history has as many 900K+ buys.
The WWE is a contest between the entire roster to see who the best money draw is. It does not matter how good a fighter you are. The guy holding the "WWE Championship" is always one of its best money draws, and usually the #1 draw. Unless, its the guy married to Vince's daughter.
Since leaving the UFC and returning to the WWE Brock Lesnar has once again been a ratings and PPV machine for the WWE.
He has been the longest reigning "WWE Champion" in the past 5 years for only one reason: he draws PPV and gate money better than any other WWE employee.
Conclusion as before: Lesnar is, was, and always has been a big money draw no matter where he is. At this point, Lesnar is a way bigger draw than Mcgregor. Mcgregor's #s may improve substantially if he wins the belt. They'll need to for him to even get any consideration as a UFC top draw.
You seam to be arguing that Lesner drew X and Mcgregor draws Y since x > y Mcgregor is not a draw.
Everyone else is arguing that they are not comparables, because of size, WWE popularity before the UFC, and so on. I don't think anyone here is saying Mcgregor is a bigger draw then Lesner. I just think your definition of a "draw" is different from everyone else's.
everyone else? i'm countering Mcgregor's comments about his ability to generate "high" PPV buy #s with facts.
so far his record is 205,000 buys. Lesnar's is 1.6 million.
if you'd like to make up your own definition of what drawing money to the pay window is to somehow continue to claim Carwin draws money... have fun playing word games.
Lesner was the easiest sell anyone ever had to make. The guy has the massive size, the ink and the americanna to attract million ppv buys like no one else. The fight that never was between him and fedor would have probably broken even boxing records for gate and ppv buys (pre mayweather/pacquiou).
Then again if cain valazquez gets healthy and stays healthy I think he can surpas lesner and god willing the fight in the estadio azteca will set a record that will never die.
Lesner can't fight anymore due to his intestinal issues unfortunately. The time he had in UFC gave him a bunch of moves that they've never seen anything like before in WWE though.
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