On March 03 2015 01:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote: a KO against an opponent who is taller than you and out weighs you is miles better
when rhonda does that to opponents larger than her then we can start comparing her to Tyson.
Dana is a promoter. He is doing a great job promoting his fighters.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying... If you have the ability to KO, the time it takes to KO someone is always going to be short, just by the nature of how fast punches are thrown.
If you have the ability to submit, it usually take time to grind out a submission out of an opponent.
that's why I think submission in 14 seconds is way more impressive. Regardless of how Ronda's legacy or w.e stands up to mike tyson's.
On March 03 2015 01:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote: a KO against an opponent who is taller than you and out weighs you is miles better
when rhonda does that to opponents larger than her then we can start comparing her to Tyson.
Dana is a promoter. He is doing a great job promoting his fighters.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying... If you have the ability to KO, the time it takes to KO someone is always going to be short, just by the nature of how fast punches are thrown.
If you have the ability to submit, it usually take time to grind out a submission out of an opponent.
that's why I think submission in 14 seconds is way more impressive. Regardless of how Ronda's legacy or w.e stands up to mike tyson's.
tell that to Lennox Lewis.
also, only in the UFC are there 1 punch KOs because of the size of the gloves. did u ever see Tyson 1-punch knock out any one? it was always combos.
its Dana White's comment not mine. Dana knows that Tyson could not submit people in boxing.
Tyson fought any one of any weight. Rousey does not.
how many heavyweight championship boxing matches end in a 1st round KO?
this is why Tyson has the reputation that he has... and its why Dana White brought up the name of a guy who gained his reputation from 1985-1988
if Tyson's KOs are unimpressive why is Dana White bringing his name up 28 years after his last real KO ?
On March 03 2015 01:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote: a KO against an opponent who is taller than you and out weighs you is miles better
when rhonda does that to opponents larger than her then we can start comparing her to Tyson.
Dana is a promoter. He is doing a great job promoting his fighters.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying... If you have the ability to KO, the time it takes to KO someone is always going to be short, just by the nature of how fast punches are thrown.
If you have the ability to submit, it usually take time to grind out a submission out of an opponent.
that's why I think submission in 14 seconds is way more impressive. Regardless of how Ronda's legacy or w.e stands up to mike tyson's.
tell that to Lennox Lewis.
also, only in the UFC are there 1 punch KOs because of the size of the gloves. did u ever see Tyson 1-punch knock out any one? it was always combos.
its Dana White's comment not mine. Dana knows that Tyson could not submit people in boxing.
Tyson fought any one of any weight. Rousey does not.
how many heavyweight championship boxing matches end in a 1st round KO?
this is why Tyson has the reputation that he has... and its why Dana White brought up the name of a guy who gained his reputation from 1985-1988
if Tyson's KOs are unimpressive why is Dana White bringing his name up 28 years after his last real KO ?
I think the point is that quick KO's are easier to achieve with some form of 'luck' than quick submissions. It's a lot easier to get caught with a right hand than it is to get caught in an armbar. You can defend an armbar even if it is 'fully in'. Once someone lands a KO punch fights over.
This made me look up some stuff on Cyborg.... Sweet lord that woman is strong... I'm not so sure an armbar would go how Rhonda would like... People have probably seen this already but here's her defending an armbar from Tito Ortiz lol.
Could you imagine what that slam would look like with a 135lb Rhonda on the bottom instead of a 200+lb Ortiz?
and if Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis had a string of first round KOs when defending their belts before and after Tyson that'd be valid.
but they didnt.
Tyson's knockouts from 85 to 88 look like anything but luck.
On March 03 2015 06:00 GreenHorizons wrote: I think the point is that quick KO's are easier to achieve with some form of 'luck' than quick submissions. It's a lot easier to get caught with a right hand than it is to get caught in an armbar. You can defend an armbar even if it is 'fully in'. Once someone lands a KO punch fights over.
and again, Tyson never did a 1 knockout lucky punch.. it was always a combo. a lot of times the opener was a body shot... sry man Tyson's body shots were not luck. its only in the UFC with tiny gloves do you get 1 shot knockouts. Tyson's gloves were a lot bigger.
a 5 shot combo is hardly luck.
rag-dolling and knocking out 28 of your first 30 opponents before the age of 22 ain't luck... not even 1 small bit.
it was only after Kevin Rooney and Tyson split that Tyson started "swinging for the fences".
the fact that Dana and otehrs are talking about a guy in a different combat sport who had a 4 year career 25+ years ago gives you an indication of the enormity of Tyson's ferocious knockouts.
if you'd like to point out which of Mike's first 28 knockouts were due to a lucky punch .. sitck it in the boxing thread.. we'll continue this in that thread.
I wonder why Dana would compare Rousey to a guy who relies on luck.
I had a response writen but lost it... But I read the article and what Dana said was pretty spot on. He was talking about Rhonda's dominance, which is easily comparable to Tyson. I think she has to beat Cyborg though for it to be totally legit.
Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Tyson's reign was also short lived... only time will tell regarding Ronda, but considering the skill gap currently for Ronda, the legacy of domination is comparable.
also, Cyborg cut's a lot more weight than Ronda does. Ronda's non-fight weight is hovering at 145lb. Cyborg's is like 175lb. it's a lot bigger difference. Cyborg would probably kill herself trying to cut to 135lb, she would need to lose a quite a bit of muscle to reach Ronda's weight, and considering her fight style, that would be a pretty big detriment to her performance.
Yeah, Cyborg was on the scale at 175 on sunday. That's insane! Everyone around her seems to be of the thought that going to 135 would be nearly impossible. If and when she makes 135 I am really worried we see a shell of the fighter we see at 145:/
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Tyson's reign was also short lived... only time will tell regarding Ronda, but considering the skill gap currently for Ronda, the legacy of domination is comparable.
also, Cyborg cut's a lot more weight than Ronda does. Ronda's non-fight weight is hovering at 145lb. Cyborg's is like 175lb. it's a lot bigger difference. Cyborg would probably kill herself trying to cut to 135lb, she would need to lose a quite a bit of muscle to reach Ronda's weight, and considering her fight style, that would be a pretty big detriment to her performance.
first its this 1 punch knockout thing? now its a short lived title reign? Tyson had 9 WBC title defenses ( the jewel of the 3 HW crowns)
in the last 30 years only Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitcsko managed to tie Tyson's 9 title defenses
in the 50+ year history of the WBC Heavyweight title only Muhammed Ali and Larry Holmes managed double digit title defenses. and i don't need to mention what Tyson did to Holmes.... cause a dog shouldn't get beat that bad.
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Tyson's reign was also short lived... only time will tell regarding Ronda, but considering the skill gap currently for Ronda, the legacy of domination is comparable.
also, Cyborg cut's a lot more weight than Ronda does. Ronda's non-fight weight is hovering at 145lb. Cyborg's is like 175lb. it's a lot bigger difference. Cyborg would probably kill herself trying to cut to 135lb, she would need to lose a quite a bit of muscle to reach Ronda's weight, and considering her fight style, that would be a pretty big detriment to her performance.
first its this 1 punch knockout thing? now its a short lived title reign? Tyson had 9 WBC title defenses ( the jewel of the 3 HW crowns)
in the last 30 years only Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitcsko managed to tie Tyson's 9 title defenses
in the 50+ year history of the WBC Heavyweight title only Muhammed Ali and Larry Holmes managed double digit title defenses. and i don't need to mention what Tyson did to Holmes.... cause a dog shouldn't get beat that bad.
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Tyson's reign was also short lived... only time will tell regarding Ronda, but considering the skill gap currently for Ronda, the legacy of domination is comparable.
also, Cyborg cut's a lot more weight than Ronda does. Ronda's non-fight weight is hovering at 145lb. Cyborg's is like 175lb. it's a lot bigger difference. Cyborg would probably kill herself trying to cut to 135lb, she would need to lose a quite a bit of muscle to reach Ronda's weight, and considering her fight style, that would be a pretty big detriment to her performance.
first its this 1 punch knockout thing? now its a short lived title reign? Tyson had 9 WBC title defenses ( the jewel of the 3 HW crowns)
in the last 30 years only Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitcsko managed to tie Tyson's 9 title defenses
in the 50+ year history of the WBC Heavyweight title only Muhammed Ali and Larry Holmes managed double digit title defenses. and i don't need to mention what Tyson did to Holmes.... cause a dog shouldn't get beat that bad.
Tyson isn't even top half, so relatively speaking in regards to long title defenses, tyson's was short lived, especially for a great.
The length of his reign didn't really have anything to do with boxing though? Douglas was a bit of a fluke. Tyson fell from the championship largely as a result of personal issues outside of the ring. I would of loved to see Tyson v Holyfield in 90-91.
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Tyson's reign was also short lived... only time will tell regarding Ronda, but considering the skill gap currently for Ronda, the legacy of domination is comparable.
also, Cyborg cut's a lot more weight than Ronda does. Ronda's non-fight weight is hovering at 145lb. Cyborg's is like 175lb. it's a lot bigger difference. Cyborg would probably kill herself trying to cut to 135lb, she would need to lose a quite a bit of muscle to reach Ronda's weight, and considering her fight style, that would be a pretty big detriment to her performance.
first its this 1 punch knockout thing? now its a short lived title reign? Tyson had 9 WBC title defenses ( the jewel of the 3 HW crowns)
in the last 30 years only Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitcsko managed to tie Tyson's 9 title defenses
in the 50+ year history of the WBC Heavyweight title only Muhammed Ali and Larry Holmes managed double digit title defenses. and i don't need to mention what Tyson did to Holmes.... cause a dog shouldn't get beat that bad.
the timing of this legal action is what is most interesting.. Bellator could've done this at any time.
Not saying they were 'all luck' or anything, but they weren't all displays of technical excellence either. The guy got some knockouts throwing hay-makers, I don't really see anything controversial about that though.
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Lol are you joking ? Boxing is a worldwide sport with a hundered years of tradition. There are prob 2000 female mma fighters in the whole world. The scale of competition and talent is not even close.
On March 03 2015 07:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rousey fighting at 135 defeating Cyborg weighing 140 would make her comparable to Tyson. Tyson ripped through a division of guys with a height , weight, and reach advantage. for Tyson to be able to close in on guys 3"+ taller with a 6"+ reach advantage ... and slip/duck every punch ..just wow.
as bad as his Tyson analogy may be. Dana is doing a great job as promoter of the UFC though... i'd say the same thing if i had his job.
Lol are you joking ? Boxing is a worldwide sport with a hundered years of tradition. There are prob 2000 female mma fighters in the whole world. The scale of competition and talent is not even close.
true, dana's analogy was pretty bad... Tyson had a lot more competition... and fought bigger guys at least 1/2 the time.
Is Mcgregor A Good PPV Draw?
Mcgregor and White have spoken a lot of "big talk" about what a great draw Mcgregor is or will become in the future. so just for fun i checked out the PPV buy rates for UFC 178 . it was the 24th highest buy rate in the past 30 PPVs. 205,000 to be exact.
i remember at the post fight press conference Mcgregor claiming he was the one responsible for bringing in the PPV buys for UFC 178 and not the main event guys. of course when he said it he didn't know the buy rate. with 205,000 buys.. i wonder if mcgregor wants to take back what he said. For a featherweight Mcgregor is an above average draw.... he is a long way from taking Brock Lesnar's place.
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