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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 13 2014 03:49 GMT
#1661
Oka for Okafor
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 13 2014 03:54 GMT
#1662
Eat that Roquefort for Okafor.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
August 13 2014 03:57 GMT
#1663
I think "Don't Score for Okafor" is the leader in my clubhouse.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 13 2014 03:59 GMT
#1664
choke a whore for okafor is the funniest/most ridiculous one though
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 04:35:43
August 13 2014 04:35 GMT
#1665
On August 13 2014 05:57 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 20:49 oneofthem wrote:also this article manages to articulate my thoughts on love quite well.

https://medium.com/ten-pens/the-kevin-love-problem-e08496464659


The replies in this thread on Reddit discussing the article tears it apart pretty effectively with regards to Love's supposed "impact" on his teammates over the years.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2dcfp2/haberstrohno_star_has_had_less_help_in_their_nba/cjo6r89

the guy does overstretch at times but it is still a large part of a superstar's value to gather the attention of defenses and create opportunities for teammates. lebron and melo increase the shooting % of their team when they are playing. love does this somewhat with the outlet passing, but he's pretty reliant on screens and off ball movement to find spot up shots.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 13 2014 08:11 GMT
#1666
It's not like they were this ass team- at least last year. They were basically the 7th best team in a very competitive West; they were just uniquely bad at close games. Melo did worse in a worse conference.

I'm not even sure what this discussion is about. The T-Wolves's performance is not going to determine the Cavs's performance.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 13 2014 15:41 GMT
#1667
Don't get caught up in the "making his teammates" better fallacy. Love is a superstar that can only do so much. He can't make bad players into good players. No one ever has. Look at early Jordan or Garnett and you'll laugh at how ridiculous the notion is and why you shouldn't take writers who back that claim seriously.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 20:05:53
August 13 2014 20:03 GMT
#1668
On August 14 2014 00:41 Ace wrote:
Don't get caught up in the "making his teammates" better fallacy. Love is a superstar that can only do so much. He can't make bad players into good players. No one ever has. Look at early Jordan or Garnett and you'll laugh at how ridiculous the notion is and why you shouldn't take writers who back that claim seriously.

yep, even Allen Iverson said during his infamous interview "how the hell am I ganna make my teammates better by practicing!"
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
August 14 2014 04:22 GMT
#1669
On August 13 2014 12:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 12:12 AgentW wrote:
Jahlil Okafor, a center who's going to Duke. Choke a Whore for Okafor?


Don't score for Okafor.

Lose more for Okafor.

Make games a bore for Okafor.

Such a good name for it

Tooth and claw ...

On the floor ...

Lose the war ...

Toking more ...

Join the poor for Okafor
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 14 2014 05:34 GMT
#1670
On August 12 2014 20:49 oneofthem wrote:
twolves are gonna be a fun team highlight wise.

also this article manages to articulate my thoughts on love quite well.

https://medium.com/ten-pens/the-kevin-love-problem-e08496464659

Entire article based on PER's.

Zzzzz
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 10:59:56
August 14 2014 10:59 GMT
#1671
On August 14 2014 14:34 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 20:49 oneofthem wrote:
twolves are gonna be a fun team highlight wise.

also this article manages to articulate my thoughts on love quite well.

https://medium.com/ten-pens/the-kevin-love-problem-e08496464659

Entire article based on PER's.

Zzzzz

Haha that's the article that the people in the Reddit thread about if Love is overrated absolutely destroyed. Not only is all of the data cherrypicked, it's cherrypicked incorrectly.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 14 2014 11:50 GMT
#1672
On August 14 2014 13:22 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 12:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 13 2014 12:12 AgentW wrote:
Jahlil Okafor, a center who's going to Duke. Choke a Whore for Okafor?


Don't score for Okafor.

Lose more for Okafor.

Make games a bore for Okafor.

Such a good name for it

Tooth and claw ...

On the floor ...

Lose the war ...

Toking more ...

Join the poor for Okafor

I like toking more because it implies that organizations are supplying their players with weed before games.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
August 14 2014 15:45 GMT
#1673
On August 14 2014 20:50 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 13:22 Scarecrow wrote:
On August 13 2014 12:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 13 2014 12:12 AgentW wrote:
Jahlil Okafor, a center who's going to Duke. Choke a Whore for Okafor?


Don't score for Okafor.

Lose more for Okafor.

Make games a bore for Okafor.

Such a good name for it

Tooth and claw ...

On the floor ...

Lose the war ...

Toking more ...

Join the poor for Okafor

I like toking more because it implies that organizations are supplying their players with weed before games.

Helps the Nuggets compete for FAs.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 14 2014 17:14 GMT
#1674
I think the notion that a player makes his teammates better is overrated, definitely. A good player, like Nash or Chris Paul, or LeBron can help his teammates get better stats, essentially by giving them easier and more open looks at the basket. Good leaders can help push their teammates to try a bit harder and put some more effort - but that's pretty much the extent of it.

Jordan's first year: finished 38-44 and lost in 1st round of playoffs, had a completely dumpy supporting cast (here)

Jordan's 2nd year he was injured didn't play much

Jordan's 3rd year: finished 40-42, got swept by Boston in 1st round, Jordan's supporting cast is beginning to develop. Chicago has Paxson and Charles Oakley now (here)

Jordan's 4th year: finished with 50 wins, lost to Detroit in 2nd round. Jordan's supporting cast is here, Pippen, Grant, Oakley, Paxson, but they're all super young (here)

Jordan's 5th year: finished 47-35, lost to Detroit again in east finals this time. (here)

Jordan's 6th year: finished with 55 wins, lost to Detroit in the east finals, taking them to 7 games. Phil Jackson starts coaching. (here)


Took until Jordan's 4th year for the Bulls to put his supporting cast around him, and it took that nucleus 3 years to develop into a champion.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 14 2014 17:15 GMT
#1675
On August 14 2014 19:59 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 14:34 Jibba wrote:
On August 12 2014 20:49 oneofthem wrote:
twolves are gonna be a fun team highlight wise.

also this article manages to articulate my thoughts on love quite well.

https://medium.com/ten-pens/the-kevin-love-problem-e08496464659

Entire article based on PER's.

Zzzzz

Haha that's the article that the people in the Reddit thread about if Love is overrated absolutely destroyed. Not only is all of the data cherrypicked, it's cherrypicked incorrectly.


This is why journalists that try to use stats in this era REALLY need to know their shit. So easy to lose credibility when you can't even do basic fact checking about what the numbers mean.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 14 2014 17:50 GMT
#1676
On August 13 2014 07:02 Ace wrote:
its almost impossible for the Wizards to finish above Atlanta and Toronto


I disagree. Pierce can't replicate Ariza, and Webster will probably miss a month of the season, but his injury isn't one that will really put him back in terms of skill so it's likely when he starts playing he'll produce similarly.

The Wizards got a lot deeper: Blair and Humphries are solid additions. Gortat is still in his prime and is a good starter, Nene is still good but may miss 20-30 games due to injury (but again they've got a lot of frontcourt depth so it won't be as much of an issue). Then you look at Wall and Beal getting a lot better than they were last year. If Otto Porter and Glen Rice Jr. make an impact, this team could pretty easily snag the 3 seed in the East.

I don't think Toronto got much better and neither did Atlanta sans Hortford coming back from injury. The Hornets improved dramatically.

I think Bulls/Cavs will be 1st and 2nd, and vying for the 3rd seed in my opinion will be Wizards/Heat/Hornets, then Atlanta/Toronto can go anywhere from 4-7 along with whichever of the previous 3 doesn't get 3rd seed. 8th seed is likely a tossup between a bunch of teams. Milwaukee, Knicks, Pacers, Nets. I think Milwaukee will be decent, I mean they were projected to make the playoffs last year and they added Jabari.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 18:26:16
August 14 2014 18:25 GMT
#1677
I think it's tough to say it's "almost impossible" any decent team in the East couldn't finish about another. While I would lean towards TOR if you were to ask me to compare them to WAS, it wouldn't take much for the Wiz to finish above them. A single key injury or regression by a key player from TOR, and/or WAS having Beal or Wall to take another step and/or have their new role players provide some solid contribution to catch up to or pass up TOR. Agreed that Ariza was a big loss for what they were doing last year, but Porter has looked good in the offseason and Pierce should still have something left in the thank to provide 30 min/g of good production.

Bottom line is that I don't think there was much of a gap between TOR and WAS at the end of last season, so it wouldn't take much for one to finish ahead of the other this coming season. I'd reserve "almost impossible" for statements like the Lakers making the playoffs or PHI finishing above .500 (or even less...).
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 14 2014 19:04 GMT
#1678
Unless Washington gets another player to replace Ariza's production, or Wall + Beal make big leaps the Wziards can not finish above 2 teams that were better than them last year. It's literally impossible. Pierce wasn't better than Ariza last year himself, add in missing Webster for a few months and they will lose wins relative to the other two teams.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
August 14 2014 19:41 GMT
#1679
Like I said, I can understand why you would say that it appears impossible looking at things as they stand now, but not everything regarding both teams will remain static, that's almost certain. Players will improve or regress, injuries will occur, chemistry issues, off-court distractions, etc.

Again, we're not talking about teams that have a substantial gap in talent. This isn't like comparing SA/OKC/LAC to SAC/LAL/MIN or CHI/CLE to MIL/PHI/BOS. The difference in win totals between TOR and WAS was only 4 games. ATL (albeit without Horford for most of the season) finished 6 games behind WAS.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 14 2014 19:47 GMT
#1680
On August 15 2014 02:15 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 19:59 AgentW wrote:
On August 14 2014 14:34 Jibba wrote:
On August 12 2014 20:49 oneofthem wrote:
twolves are gonna be a fun team highlight wise.

also this article manages to articulate my thoughts on love quite well.

https://medium.com/ten-pens/the-kevin-love-problem-e08496464659

Entire article based on PER's.

Zzzzz

Haha that's the article that the people in the Reddit thread about if Love is overrated absolutely destroyed. Not only is all of the data cherrypicked, it's cherrypicked incorrectly.


This is why journalists that try to use stats in this era REALLY need to know their shit. So easy to lose credibility when you can't even do basic fact checking about what the numbers mean.


Stats is a bit of a new thing in sports. When 538 was about to start, Nate Silver (or maybe it was somebody else) displayed a graph that showed that the average journalism major is above average in the verbal portion of the SAT but below average in the math portion. Old school journalists chose their profession because they were terrible at math in school. Can't really help them.

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