EPTNBA Offseason 2014 - Page 84
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icystorage
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Jerubaal
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AgentW
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On August 13 2014 05:57 XaI)CyRiC wrote: The replies in this thread on Reddit discussing the article tears it apart pretty effectively with regards to Love's supposed "impact" on his teammates over the years. http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2dcfp2/haberstrohno_star_has_had_less_help_in_their_nba/cjo6r89 the guy does overstretch at times but it is still a large part of a superstar's value to gather the attention of defenses and create opportunities for teammates. lebron and melo increase the shooting % of their team when they are playing. love does this somewhat with the outlet passing, but he's pretty reliant on screens and off ball movement to find spot up shots. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
I'm not even sure what this discussion is about. The T-Wolves's performance is not going to determine the Cavs's performance. | ||
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Ace
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On August 14 2014 00:41 Ace wrote: Don't get caught up in the "making his teammates" better fallacy. Love is a superstar that can only do so much. He can't make bad players into good players. No one ever has. Look at early Jordan or Garnett and you'll laugh at how ridiculous the notion is and why you shouldn't take writers who back that claim seriously. yep, even Allen Iverson said during his infamous interview "how the hell am I ganna make my teammates better by practicing!" | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On August 13 2014 12:44 TwoToneTerran wrote: Don't score for Okafor. Lose more for Okafor. Make games a bore for Okafor. Such a good name for it Tooth and claw ... On the floor ... Lose the war ... Toking more ... Join the poor for Okafor | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 12 2014 20:49 oneofthem wrote: twolves are gonna be a fun team highlight wise. also this article manages to articulate my thoughts on love quite well. https://medium.com/ten-pens/the-kevin-love-problem-e08496464659 Entire article based on PER's. Zzzzz | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
Haha that's the article that the people in the Reddit thread about if Love is overrated absolutely destroyed. Not only is all of the data cherrypicked, it's cherrypicked incorrectly. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 14 2014 13:22 Scarecrow wrote: Such a good name for it Tooth and claw ... On the floor ... Lose the war ... Toking more ... Join the poor for Okafor I like toking more because it implies that organizations are supplying their players with weed before games. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On August 14 2014 20:50 DystopiaX wrote: I like toking more because it implies that organizations are supplying their players with weed before games. Helps the Nuggets compete for FAs. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
Jordan's first year: finished 38-44 and lost in 1st round of playoffs, had a completely dumpy supporting cast (here) Jordan's 2nd year he was injured didn't play much Jordan's 3rd year: finished 40-42, got swept by Boston in 1st round, Jordan's supporting cast is beginning to develop. Chicago has Paxson and Charles Oakley now (here) Jordan's 4th year: finished with 50 wins, lost to Detroit in 2nd round. Jordan's supporting cast is here, Pippen, Grant, Oakley, Paxson, but they're all super young (here) Jordan's 5th year: finished 47-35, lost to Detroit again in east finals this time. (here) Jordan's 6th year: finished with 55 wins, lost to Detroit in the east finals, taking them to 7 games. Phil Jackson starts coaching. (here) Took until Jordan's 4th year for the Bulls to put his supporting cast around him, and it took that nucleus 3 years to develop into a champion. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 14 2014 19:59 AgentW wrote: Haha that's the article that the people in the Reddit thread about if Love is overrated absolutely destroyed. Not only is all of the data cherrypicked, it's cherrypicked incorrectly. This is why journalists that try to use stats in this era REALLY need to know their shit. So easy to lose credibility when you can't even do basic fact checking about what the numbers mean. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On August 13 2014 07:02 Ace wrote: its almost impossible for the Wizards to finish above Atlanta and Toronto I disagree. Pierce can't replicate Ariza, and Webster will probably miss a month of the season, but his injury isn't one that will really put him back in terms of skill so it's likely when he starts playing he'll produce similarly. The Wizards got a lot deeper: Blair and Humphries are solid additions. Gortat is still in his prime and is a good starter, Nene is still good but may miss 20-30 games due to injury (but again they've got a lot of frontcourt depth so it won't be as much of an issue). Then you look at Wall and Beal getting a lot better than they were last year. If Otto Porter and Glen Rice Jr. make an impact, this team could pretty easily snag the 3 seed in the East. I don't think Toronto got much better and neither did Atlanta sans Hortford coming back from injury. The Hornets improved dramatically. I think Bulls/Cavs will be 1st and 2nd, and vying for the 3rd seed in my opinion will be Wizards/Heat/Hornets, then Atlanta/Toronto can go anywhere from 4-7 along with whichever of the previous 3 doesn't get 3rd seed. 8th seed is likely a tossup between a bunch of teams. Milwaukee, Knicks, Pacers, Nets. I think Milwaukee will be decent, I mean they were projected to make the playoffs last year and they added Jabari. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
Bottom line is that I don't think there was much of a gap between TOR and WAS at the end of last season, so it wouldn't take much for one to finish ahead of the other this coming season. I'd reserve "almost impossible" for statements like the Lakers making the playoffs or PHI finishing above .500 (or even less...). | ||
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Ace
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
Again, we're not talking about teams that have a substantial gap in talent. This isn't like comparing SA/OKC/LAC to SAC/LAL/MIN or CHI/CLE to MIL/PHI/BOS. The difference in win totals between TOR and WAS was only 4 games. ATL (albeit without Horford for most of the season) finished 6 games behind WAS. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On August 15 2014 02:15 Ace wrote: This is why journalists that try to use stats in this era REALLY need to know their shit. So easy to lose credibility when you can't even do basic fact checking about what the numbers mean. Stats is a bit of a new thing in sports. When 538 was about to start, Nate Silver (or maybe it was somebody else) displayed a graph that showed that the average journalism major is above average in the verbal portion of the SAT but below average in the math portion. Old school journalists chose their profession because they were terrible at math in school. Can't really help them. | ||
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