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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 10 2014 04:41 GMT
#1601
You think the East will be even worse this year?

Bear with me here: So you don't think they will be a 65 win team? So you think they will be between 55 and 60 wins? But you think they could easily get 50 wins in the West? So you think being in the East is only worth about 5-7 wins? My prediction is I'm taking the under for 55 wins.

Remember the Heat won 54 games last year. Granted, there might have been some sandbagging to that as soon as they realized they weren't going to catch Indiana. You could easily argue that this team has more talent/fresh legs than last year's Heat, but chemistry and lineups matter.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 10 2014 04:54 GMT
#1602
Argue? As in, not playing their second best player 25 games isn't sandbagging?

Plus, I personally think it is more than just talent that gets most teams over the 60 game hump, it's also actually wanting to do it. The shaq Lakers never really racked up wins, and they were disgusting. There are schedule losses, travel losses, etc. When the cavs won a ton, Lebron brought it every night. Teams like the spurs, do it by winning even when they don't give a shit.
Freeeeeeedom
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
August 10 2014 04:57 GMT
#1603
I think 65 wins would be really special. You don't see anything around that figure often. There have been three seasons in recent memory? Mavs in '06, Cavs in '08 (WTF HOW???) and Heat in '12. I guess Lebron was on two of those teams..09 Cavs??? Maybe Ben Wallace really was a plus/plus/plus player.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 10 2014 07:57 GMT
#1604
The last Heat team clearly didn't give a shit about the regular season. The previous Lebron Cavs teams were full of hustle players and a coach who cared about the regular season. They also had a much younger Lebron who brought it every night.

You forgot Celtics in '07.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 10 2014 12:39 GMT
#1605
On August 10 2014 13:41 Jerubaal wrote:
You think the East will be even worse this year?

Bear with me here: So you don't think they will be a 65 win team? So you think they will be between 55 and 60 wins? But you think they could easily get 50 wins in the West? So you think being in the East is only worth about 5-7 wins? My prediction is I'm taking the under for 55 wins.

.


I think they actually would do better in the West (just like Miami) because for some reason Lebron/Wade tend to dominate Western teams. IIrc their winning % vs the West was better than their overall record 3 out of 4 years. Could also just be familiarity within their conference leads to losses. But Lebron + Love alone are going to get you ~40 wins alone. Kyrie + Varajeo+ flotsam should be able to scrape in another 10
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13508 Posts
August 10 2014 13:20 GMT
#1606
On August 10 2014 13:57 slyboogie wrote:
I think 65 wins would be really special. You don't see anything around that figure often. There have been three seasons in recent memory? Mavs in '06, Cavs in '08 (WTF HOW???) and Heat in '12. I guess Lebron was on two of those teams..09 Cavs??? Maybe Ben Wallace really was a plus/plus/plus player.


He was actually still a big plus for that Cavs team on D.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
August 10 2014 16:34 GMT
#1607
On August 10 2014 13:57 slyboogie wrote:
I think 65 wins would be really special. You don't see anything around that figure often. There have been three seasons in recent memory? Mavs in '06, Cavs in '08 (WTF HOW???) and Heat in '12. I guess Lebron was on two of those teams..09 Cavs??? Maybe Ben Wallace really was a plus/plus/plus player.

Ya, I think it's kind of what's to be taken from that 65-win number. The way I see it, it is a realistic number on how good they can possibly be. With this being their first year together, figuring stuff out, etc, 65-wins could be their win-total if everything just goes right. In a way it is putting a realistic win-total on their potential upside while taking into consideration all the challenges they might possibly face.

I mean 65 wins is definitely possible by these cast of players, but they would need one hell of a season to pull it off. 65 is more like their cap the way I see it.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
August 11 2014 00:07 GMT
#1608
why 65? i thought the record is 72 wins by the bulls, why not use 72 instead?
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 11 2014 00:48 GMT
#1609
On August 11 2014 09:07 rei wrote:
why 65? i thought the record is 72 wins by the bulls, why not use 72 instead?


u mean why not 73? cavs will win 73 games easy.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 11 2014 00:50 GMT
#1610
Because 72 is unreasonable. Kevin Love would basically have to become the equivalent of Lebron 2012 for them to even conceive of such a season. Or Kyrie would need to become CP3 2009 and Waiters becoming non-insane Lance Stephenson.

Even with all of those things happening they still probably wouldnt get 70.
Freeeeeeedom
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13508 Posts
August 11 2014 01:06 GMT
#1611
Too many variables with new roster and coach. I think 55-60 is a reasonable expectation for the cavs.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 11 2014 01:14 GMT
#1612
Happy birthday, penile colony.

As I said, I'll take the under on 55 wins.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 11 2014 01:17 GMT
#1613
You need such luck and a loaded roster to approach 70 wins.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 11 2014 01:33 GMT
#1614
I read an analysis of the 72 win bulls and their conclusion was basically that the Bulls were historically great and even then only hit 72 wins because the league was historically weak at that point, because the expansion draft both in 89 and the same year meant that talent was diluted throughout the league. It'd be almost impossible for any team to hit 72 wins now both because few teams will ever be as good as those Bulls teams and the league as a whole will be unlikely to have diluted talent to the extent that the NBA was the year the Bulls did it.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 11 2014 01:57 GMT
#1615
On August 11 2014 10:33 DystopiaX wrote:
I read an analysis of the 72 win bulls and their conclusion was basically that the Bulls were historically great and even then only hit 72 wins because the league was historically weak at that point, because the expansion draft both in 89 and the same year meant that talent was diluted throughout the league. It'd be almost impossible for any team to hit 72 wins now both because few teams will ever be as good as those Bulls teams and the league as a whole will be unlikely to have diluted talent to the extent that the NBA was the year the Bulls did it.


Phil in his book also basically wrote that Ohare Airport + Being in the middle of the country was also a huge part of it. Basically, they rarely had long trips and Chicago basically gave them free reign so they also had no delays. Plus, you know, Jordan. Pissed Jordan.
Freeeeeeedom
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
August 11 2014 03:35 GMT
#1616
lol just come back to the thread to see this discussion happening.

The Cavs won't get 70 wins. I'll put a 3 month ban bet on that.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 11 2014 03:49 GMT
#1617
On August 11 2014 12:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
lol just come back to the thread to see this discussion happening.

The Cavs won't get 70 wins. I'll put a 3 month ban bet on that.


seeing how only 1 team in history has gotten over 70 wins, i can only say that you have balls of STEEL for making this bet. /s
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
August 11 2014 03:50 GMT
#1618
On August 11 2014 12:49 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 12:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
lol just come back to the thread to see this discussion happening.

The Cavs won't get 70 wins. I'll put a 3 month ban bet on that.


seeing how only 1 team in history has gotten over 70 wins, i can only say that you have balls of STEEL for making this bet. /s


I didn't say I did. I'm making the bet precisely because the notion that the Cavs will make it is so ridiculous I don't feel like I'm actually making a real wager.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
August 11 2014 11:27 GMT
#1619
they are not going to break 60 wins unless the east is just disastrously bad. with a soft interior d they can't coast that much.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
SwARmZzz
Profile Joined June 2013
Canada193 Posts
August 11 2014 11:50 GMT
#1620
I remember that Pistons team in the mid 2000's, where their record was on pace of that 72-10 record. They were so good in the regular season, they sent 4 of the 5 starters to the all star team. Loved watching them pistons play....
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