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On June 30 2015 06:30 Flaccid wrote:My god this headline: http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2015/6/29/8863519/zac-rinaldo-acquired-by-don-sweeney-for-our-next-gms-2017-3rd-roundHahahahaha. The Lindros spite is getting out of hand. He was a dominant player who changed the game for the period at which he was at his peak. And I can't see that move by the Kings holding up unless it is something pretty obvious. Material breach for being fat? I hope not. edit: There are reports that LA was working on trading Richards at the draft and had some interested parties but immediately broke off talks and informed the teams in question once the details resulting in the breach were learned. Lombardi had no prior knowledge of it, whatever it is. Juicy.
looooooooool fuck that's a wonderful headline. That aside, I think Rinaldo isn't as bad as people think. He's an ok NHL 4th liner. He's not worth anywhere near a third fucking rounder though. Besides the headline, the article also nails one other thing: why the hell are the Bruins one foot in the door on tanking? One bad injury plagued year and they half nuked it. They still have a top 3 goalie, two good centers, and a couple other pieces. That's retooling territory. But since they're halfway in already, why the hell are Chara, Bergeron, Eriksson, and Kreijic still Bruins? So stupid.
I really hope Lombardi claimed the breach after seeing a TMZ photo of Richards looking chubby in Mahattan Beach
The Lindros hate is fucking insane. It's such a stupid snub. All the guys that got in are obviously deserving but damn if I don't wish Lindros got in over Housley this year. Housley was great and all, but peak Lindros was only matched by very few players. He still has a massive effect on the game today. He's the reason asshats like Zach Kassian and Hugh Jessiman get drafted super high even though thimble of Lindros' liquiefied brains has more talent than both of them combined.
It's gonna be so annoying when they give good longevity players like Anderchyuk in before him.
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Rinaldo got a 3rd rounder, but all Lack got was a 3rd and a 7th? Like, it's fucking Zac Rinaldo.
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Joe Yerdon @JoeYerdon 3m3 minutes ago
With Fedorov and Lidstrom making the HOF, that brings the 2002 Wings Cup team to 10 Hall of Famers.
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On June 30 2015 09:52 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
lindros has been an asshole from day 1
Not like Pronger is a model citizen - granted I love CFP.
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I kind of thought that was too easy of a response to Lindros being a dick as a valid reason lol
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Well the Bruins flipped Martin Jones to Sanjose for a first round pick and a prospect. Possibly the first smart deal they've done all off season..
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lol Kings try to trade Jones out of conference, Sweeney trades him right back into the Kings division. Now LA should offer sheet Jones to keep the hilarity going.
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I thought they couldn't offer-sheet him because they traded him already. Doesn't Boston have the only chance to offer-sheet him?
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No idea, honestly. I just want to see shenanigans.
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How in the fuck is Jones worth a first AND a prospect with 30 somethings NHL games, but Lack is worth a third?
I am not sure if Benning or Wilson looks worse.
also Dougie just signed for about $6/6
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Saad just got shpped to CBJ supposedly for Anisimov and Dano
I kind of figured Saad would get more than that. I guess they're high on Dano because Anisimov is more of a 3rd line scoring center than a real #2. Though I guess playing on a team like Chicago he'd get a lot better linemates
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On July 01 2015 06:16 QuanticHawk wrote:
Saad just got shpped to CBJ supposedly for Anisimov and Dano
I kind of figured Saad would get more than that. I guess they're high on Dano because Anisimov is more of a 3rd line scoring center than a real #2. Though I guess playing on a team like Chicago he'd get a lot better linemates
They apparently also got Jeremy Morin and Corey Tropp and a fourth-round plus Anisimov and Dano.
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On July 01 2015 03:08 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Well the Bruins flipped Martin Jones to Sanjose for a first round pick and a prospect. Possibly the first smart deal they've done all off season..
Potential top 10 pick next year. Incoming tank for Auston Matthews and we'll trade him 3 years later for picks anyways.
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annnnnd Mike Richard got popped for having oxycodone on him at the border, according to TMZ. No other word besides that, so no news on how much, etc. Must have not been that much but no script for him to not get arrested
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You guys definitely over-value a 3rd round pick. A role-playing NHL-ready player, though quite poor, is better than what you'll get out of most 3rd round picks. Zac Rinaldo can fit on a 4th line as an agitator. He's not going to be great, but still has some room to grow and very few 3rd round picks even hit his current level.
Here's what the Blackhawks (my home team) have done with 3rd round picks since 2006 when they picked Toews in the 1st round, followed by Kane the next year... so not clueless drafters.
2014 - Matteson Iacopelli - 21yrs - USHL
2014 - Beau Starrett - 19yrs - USPHL
2013 - John Hayden - 20yrs - D1 college
2012 - Chris Calnan - 21yrs - D1 college
2011 - Michael Paliotta - 22yrs - college + 1 nhl game this year
2011 - Klas Dahlbeck - 23yrs - poor NHLer, traded, bounced back to AHL
2010 - Joakim Nordstom - 23yrs - poor NHLer, but some promise
2009 - Dan Delisle - 24yrs - ECHL/SPHL
2008 - Shawn Lalonde - 25yrs - poor AHLer, down to Swedish league
2007 - Maxime Tanguay - 26yrs - briefly touched AHL, career over.
2007 - Josh Unice - 26yrs - on downswing and never even hit AHL.
2006 - Tony Lagerstrom - 26yrs - stayed in Sweden, career over.
The guys that are 24 years old or older are all busts that never hit the NHL. Nordstrom, Dahlbeck, or Paliotta may still turn into something (especially Nordstrom, who is currently a shitty playmaker with no role on an NHL team, but may someday adjust to NHL speed). Then there's a few young prospects that still could turn into something, but are nowhere near ready yet. Not a single one of them has had as big of an impact in the NHL as Rinaldo.
That's coming from one of the most functional franchises in the league who drafted the core of their team in the mid 2000s and continue to add onto it 10 years later. They've even busted on a couple of 1st round picks in that time frame.
I think the Family Guy meme applies here too, except you guys are on the wrong side of this one. The vast majority of the time, you're not going to get better than Rinaldo with a 3rd round pick. Of course, there is that one time where the box has a million dollars in it. The Blackhawks did grab Niklas Hjalmarsson in the 4th round of 2005 and he turns into an essential member of the team as well as Andrew Shaw in the 5th round of 2011, who is a solid role-player.
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On July 01 2015 19:00 RenSC2 wrote:
You guys definitely over-value a 3rd round pick. A role-playing NHL-ready player, though quite poor, is better than what you'll get out of most 3rd round picks. Zac Rinaldo can fit on a 4th line as an agitator. He's not going to be great, but still has some room to grow and very few 3rd round picks even hit his current level.
Here's what the Blackhawks (my home team) have done with 3rd round picks since 2006 when they picked Toews in the 1st round, followed by Kane the next year... so not clueless drafters.
2014 - Matteson Iacopelli - 21yrs - USHL
2014 - Beau Starrett - 19yrs - USPHL
2013 - John Hayden - 20yrs - D1 college
2012 - Chris Calnan - 21yrs - D1 college
2011 - Michael Paliotta - 22yrs - college + 1 nhl game this year
2011 - Klas Dahlbeck - 23yrs - poor NHLer, traded, bounced back to AHL
2010 - Joakim Nordstom - 23yrs - poor NHLer, but some promise
2009 - Dan Delisle - 24yrs - ECHL/SPHL
2008 - Shawn Lalonde - 25yrs - poor AHLer, down to Swedish league
2007 - Maxime Tanguay - 26yrs - briefly touched AHL, career over.
2007 - Josh Unice - 26yrs - on downswing and never even hit AHL.
2006 - Tony Lagerstrom - 26yrs - stayed in Sweden, career over.
The guys that are 24 years old or older are all busts that never hit the NHL. Nordstrom, Dahlbeck, or Paliotta may still turn into something (especially Nordstrom, who is currently a shitty playmaker with no role on an NHL team, but may someday adjust to NHL speed). Then there's a few young prospects that still could turn into something, but are nowhere near ready yet. Not a single one of them has had as big of an impact in the NHL as Rinaldo.
That's coming from one of the most functional franchises in the league who drafted the core of their team in the mid 2000s and continue to add onto it 10 years later. They've even busted on a couple of 1st round picks in that time frame.
I think the Family Guy meme applies here too, except you guys are on the wrong side of this one. The vast majority of the time, you're not going to get better than Rinaldo with a 3rd round pick. Of course, there is that one time where the box has a million dollars in it. The Blackhawks did grab Niklas Hjalmarsson in the 4th round of 2005 and he turns into an essential member of the team as well as Andrew Shaw in the 5th round of 2011, who is a solid role-player.
Montreal recently in the third round+ has gotten players like
Sven Andrighetto - Briefly broke into NHL line up last year at 21, tons of potential talent
Brendan Gallagher - In the 5th round..
Yannick Weber - Solid puck moving Dman has had a fairly long NHL career
Ryan White - Essentially a much, much better version of Rinaldo
Alexei Emelin - Solid dman
Tomas Plekanec - Great two way forward.
I found this after just a quick look through Montreals draft list going back to 2001. So in 14 years we've gotten 6 at least solid players in the third round or higher, could be higher depending on some recent picks who are still developing. Almost a 50% chance of getting a decent player late in the draft for Montreal. I would not trade any of these guys for Zac Rinaldo so I have to disagree we are not over valuing a 3rd round pick. You're highly under valuing third round picks and greatly over valuing Zac Rinaldo. The guy does nothing but hurt his team when he is on the ice.
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There are lots of decent to great nhlers who went in the third. Trading one for a player isn't necessarily bad as a general rule of thumb
Trading one for a 4th liner who has never even cracked 10 points (and most likely never will, not sure why you think he's someone who will get better) is stupid even if you're Chicago. He's a servicable 4th liner who fights and takes tons of penalties. It's not hard to get one of those in FA.
If it were a third for a great defensive 4th liner, great pker, or a faceoff specialist I could definitely understand. But plain and simple it's a 3rd for a goonie type of player that is getting phased out, and the team that did it is in the middle of a rebuild. R
The gamble of getting an NHLer with that 3rd, even if it's like a 25% chance, and the cost control that comes with it >>>>>> blowing a third on a guy who will have more fighting majors than points. It makes no sense. Just based on where they are as a franchise it makes more sense to gamble with the pick in most situations.
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Canada8157 Posts
for this
WHAT THE FUCK LEAFS ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS
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Canada8157 Posts
im fucking looking for a new team to cheer for soon
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