EPTWhen the playoffs come around, that doesn't cut it because he can't take the time off to recover. By the time the finals are being played, his body is worn out from the previous rounds and it really showed in this series.
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
When the playoffs come around, that doesn't cut it because he can't take the time off to recover. By the time the finals are being played, his body is worn out from the previous rounds and it really showed in this series. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On June 18 2014 01:30 ticklishmusic wrote: Lebron played 1300 more minutes than him this season and 400 more than the average player on the Heat. That means Wade played 900 minutes less than the average Heat player. Ignoring overtime, that means he played the equivalent of 18-19 games less, or basically sat out for close to a quarter of the season. I don't think it's possible to sit him out for much more unless you want him to start wearing the official Derrick Rose playoff uniform. The Heat is a win now team, they can't afford to pay Wade "for services performed" the way the Lakers gave Kobe $30M. The Lakers know they suck this season and are rebuilding. The Heat needs $$$ now to win now. Wade can (maybe should) take a pay cut and accept a Ginobili type role. Maybe not necessarily come out of the bench, but play more sparingly. Wade played 1775 minutes in 54 regular season games and 693 minutes in 20 playoff games. Ginobili played 1550 minutes in 68 regular season games and 586 minutes in 23 playoff games. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
And I didn't want to go season by season to find this out, but I did anyways (b/c I <3 u guys), but here are Wade's points-per-game in Finals-series since his remarkable 2006 series. Finals Series (year, points-per-game, True-shooting %, series Free Throw Attempts): 2006- 34.7 pts/game with 57 TS% ... 97 FTA 2011- 26.5 pts/game with 61 TS% ... 49 FTA 2012- 22.6 pts/game with 52 TS% ... 40 FTA 2013- 19.6 pts/game with 51 TS% ... 22 FTA 2014- 15.2 pts/game with 50 TS% ... 26 FTA | ||
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oneofthem
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On June 18 2014 02:09 oneofthem wrote: he doesnt have to sit games out in the playoffs. just play less minutes, or less high exertion minutes particularly earlier in the round. this requires them to have more depth of course I said this is in relation to my post at the top of the page where a Heat-media member said that Wade has to rest 2 weeks for every 3 weeks of good basketball. I would assume he will do some kind of medical procedure this summer that would hopefully help him out for next year though. | ||
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oneofthem
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
The counter argument to the above is that Wade looked pretty good up until the Finals series, and maybe more credit should be given to the Spurs for figuring him out and playing to his weaknesses. It's uncertain whether he would've been able to do much better against any other team since the Spurs were so far ahead of everyone this year. Then again, the Spurs should be just as good next year and the Heat are in championship or bust mode, making it pretty important whether Wade can contribute vs the Spurs or not. Plus, he got rejected at the rim by Splitter  If Wade cares about winning and keeping Lebron happy, he should opt out and re-sign for less money. He's well within his rights to not do so and take the $40M over the next two seasons, but that would handicap the Heat quite a bit and could frustrate Lebron further. I highly doubt Wade gets traded since he's done so much for the franchise and has stated he wants to retire there. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 17 2014 23:31 Phelix wrote: Didn't Bosh also state that he doesn't want to play in the middle anymore because he doesn't want the wear and tear on his knees? Since he doesn't want to play inside, that means Riley has to dip into the FA pool to find big men to complement. With LeBron, he changed his game to fit him with his outside shooting while Haslem/Birdman banged knees on the inside, but with potentially both of them gone, who would fulfill that role? Miami hoped that it would be Greg Oden, but who knows how long he'll last. No he said he didn't want to post up dudes, not that he didn't want to defend the paint. Was about to post RE Wade but then Cyric basically said everything I was going to say. People are acting like Wade is trash because of 1 bad series and that's not true, he was fine up till then and the Spurs shut down everyone on the Heat, not just Wade. I do think that he should take a pay cut, but not necessarily one as dramatic as a lot of people here seem to think he should take. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
But how can you ask him to take a pay-cut when, now more than ever, he realizes he has a short playing-window left. But I mean I am sure he would do it for the right scenario. He also a 15% trade kicker, so that makes it even harder to trade him. With all that said, I still think he can come back next year and surprise people who are counting him out. Problem is he would have to show it in the Finals though, where the trend for him has been going downward, and next year would make it his 5th straight Finals...needless to say, the odds aren't in his favor. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
I mean if you just look at his stats it wasn't that bad, but his defense overall went down SEVERAL notches. The heat defense in general was much worse this year and wade had a huge part in that. | ||
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Logros
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On June 17 2014 13:16 Haiq343 wrote: At a guess, everything you hate about Bosh he does because Spolestra and the team ask him to. He's absolutely essential to their defense and gets approximately zero credit for it. And his willingness to give up shots/rebounds/testicles and play a more perimeter game is the only reason Lebron and Wade ever have a driving lane. It's not just about raw rebounds and getting enough FGAs to inflate your point totals. Wade was awful over the last 3 games, probably due to his knees/legs betraying him, but that's why Miami looked so hopeless. The question really then is, why will next year be any different? Or does Miami just hope that OKC wins the west next year and that they match-up better/don't have to deal with a Spur's system that exposes their defensive limitations so dramatically. Was he waiting for a memo from Spoelstra to be more aggressive when they were getting roasted in 3 straight games? Yes, he's been the most expensive third option in the league and that's what worked for them, but they can't afford that any more. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
The NBA finals as told by Chinese people. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
On June 18 2014 04:20 XaI)CyRiC wrote: The issue with Wade is that he wore out in the Finals despite the Heat conserving him for large chunks of the regular season. In order to do that, they had to play Lebron big minutes and carry the team and concede homecourt advantage to both the Spurs and Pacers. I suspect that Lebron will be less willing to do those things again if doing so still results in a significantly limited Wade come Finals time. The counter argument to the above is that Wade looked pretty good up until the Finals series, and maybe more credit should be given to the Spurs for figuring him out and playing to his weaknesses. It's uncertain whether he would've been able to do much better against any other team since the Spurs were so far ahead of everyone this year. Then again, the Spurs should be just as good next year and the Heat are in championship or bust mode, making it pretty important whether Wade can contribute vs the Spurs or not. Plus, he got rejected at the rim by Splitter If Wade cares about winning and keeping Lebron happy, he should opt out and re-sign for less money. He's well within his rights to not do so and take the $40M over the next two seasons, but that would handicap the Heat quite a bit and could frustrate Lebron further. I highly doubt Wade gets traded since he's done so much for the franchise and has stated he wants to retire there. Does anyone else have a problem with this mentality? Players HAVE to take as little money as possible in order for their team to have a chance of winning? The whole point of the CBA was supposedly to create parity in the NBA, but if we have players deciding to create super teams by opting to take as little money as possible and stack the roster with under-paid talent then doesn't that defeat the whole parity purpose? Not that Wade deserves a gigantic contract after these playoffs have shown his decline, but he's definitely still worth a decent chunk of change as is Chris Bosh. | ||
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Phelix
1931 Posts
On June 18 2014 10:29 Vindicare605 wrote: Does anyone else have a problem with this mentality? Players HAVE to take as little money as possible in order for their team to have a chance of winning? The whole point of the CBA was supposedly to create parity in the NBA, but if we have players deciding to create super teams by opting to take as little money as possible and stack the roster with under-paid talent then doesn't that defeat the whole parity purpose? Not that Wade deserves a gigantic contract after these playoffs have shown his decline, but he's definitely still worth a decent chunk of change as is Chris Bosh. I think that this might be the final straw as to why the owners are going to opt out of the CBA once again, when it expires in 2017 (notwithstanding that the NBPA does not have an Executive Director currently). The repeater luxury tax was supposed to break up the Big Three by Miami so that a single team could not sign all of the top talent at close to max value once their contracts were over. The only ways that I could think to solve this issue is to either stop player collusion (not going to happen), have no salary cap (owners are not going to want this), or eliminating max contracts (which might not prevent player collusion anyway). One might look towards the MLB for a solution to small market teams. MLB's solution to give small markets a chance is to create a "Competitive Balance Draft" which rewards spendthrift/small market owners with additional draft picks after the first/second round. I don't know how this would be implemented in the NBA, but it would give small market teams something to look forward to in the future. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On June 18 2014 10:29 Vindicare605 wrote: Does anyone else have a problem with this mentality? Players HAVE to take as little money as possible in order for their team to have a chance of winning? The whole point of the CBA was supposedly to create parity in the NBA, but if we have players deciding to create super teams by opting to take as little money as possible and stack the roster with under-paid talent then doesn't that defeat the whole parity purpose? Not that Wade deserves a gigantic contract after these playoffs have shown his decline, but he's definitely still worth a decent chunk of change as is Chris Bosh. Players don't have to take as little money as possible in order for their team to win. No one is suggesting that Wade has to take as little money as possible for the Heat to win a championship, just less than $40M over the next two years. Also, not every player has to do that to win, but that's what's needed if you want to have 3 of the best players in the league on the same team, while also having sufficient depth around them. The Heat did something unprecedented to form their big 3, and it took unusual decisions by the big 3 to pull it off. It was their choice to take less and team up, and it certainly isn't the only way to win a championship. You're right that the CBA was supposed to create parity, but Lebron, Wade and Bosh decided to work around it by taking less than what they're actually entitled to. The owners were hoping that the best players wouldn't be willing to take less money to team up, but they were wrong, at least when it came to MIA. They also didn't really think about the effect of limiting max contracts, which lessened the difference between what the MIA big 3 signed for and the max amount they could have signed for without taking a pay cut. Wade could easily make a ton of money if he wanted to, but he's decided not to (thus far) in favor of joining Lebron and Bosh. The same goes for Bosh, as there are definitely teams out there who would be willing to sign him to a max contract. They're choosing not to do that in lieu of splitting up and trying to win a ring elsewhere. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
It just perpetuates a problem. That attitude doesn't solve the parity problem that supposedly was the one of the basis for the lockout in the first place, yet it means the athletes are now making less money than they are worth. In other words, nothing changes except that the owners are allowed to spend less. As you said. It's not the only way for a team to win a championship, the Spurs just proved that. I just wish more fans would stop repeating the idea. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
The attitude from fans is shitty but it's more a reflection of the reality of the league at the moment. | ||
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