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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 02:26:32
June 17 2014 02:26 GMT
#821
The first thing they have to do is see if Chris Bosh is going to grow a pair. If he and Wade can't be better than roleplayers, the team is kaputskies anyway. Maybe they need to tell Bosh he needs to be the #2. Granted, it looked fine until they got to the Finals, but I'd like to think we were being prophetic when we noted that they weren't destroying the East as much as we thought they ought to have been.
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Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 04:16:45
June 17 2014 04:16 GMT
#822
On June 17 2014 11:26 Jerubaal wrote:
The first thing they have to do is see if Chris Bosh is going to grow a pair. If he and Wade can't be better than roleplayers, the team is kaputskies anyway. Maybe they need to tell Bosh he needs to be the #2. Granted, it looked fine until they got to the Finals, but I'd like to think we were being prophetic when we noted that they weren't destroying the East as much as we thought they ought to have been.

At a guess, everything you hate about Bosh he does because Spolestra and the team ask him to. He's absolutely essential to their defense and gets approximately zero credit for it. And his willingness to give up shots/rebounds/testicles and play a more perimeter game is the only reason Lebron and Wade ever have a driving lane. It's not just about raw rebounds and getting enough FGAs to inflate your point totals. Wade was awful over the last 3 games, probably due to his knees/legs betraying him, but that's why Miami looked so hopeless.

The question really then is, why will next year be any different? Or does Miami just hope that OKC wins the west next year and that they match-up better/don't have to deal with a Spur's system that exposes their defensive limitations so dramatically.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 07:20:59
June 17 2014 05:54 GMT
#823
its premature to say this but i think the heat as we know them as true contenders are done. battiers retiring, ray allen considering retirement, wade needs to consider his injuries, bosh can bounce back. miami could somehow get great acquisitions and make the finals again (because of how bad the east is), but in the process miami i think will need to revamp their role players and system with a minimum of cap space (assuming everybody opts in), not an easy feat at all...
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13465 Posts
June 17 2014 07:41 GMT
#824
Sooo, does wade opt in next year? He's due $20 mill next year.

In fact if all three opt in that's $60 mill in salary. Doesn't leave much to bring some new guys in...
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 17 2014 09:15 GMT
#825
Miami doesn't need Melo or Lance Stephenson. They need a Center. Birdman being injured in the Indy series showed just how hard it was for them to keep that defense up without a good big left outside of Bosh.

On June 17 2014 11:26 Jerubaal wrote:
The first thing they have to do is see if Chris Bosh is going to grow a pair. If he and Wade can't be better than roleplayers, the team is kaputskies anyway. Maybe they need to tell Bosh he needs to be the #2. Granted, it looked fine until they got to the Finals, but I'd like to think we were being prophetic when we noted that they weren't destroying the East as much as we thought they ought to have been.


Miami actually did better vs the West in the RS. Either way Bosh should have been "#2" starting last year imo. We like to blame Wade and Bosh but I think part of it is also them changing their games so much to suit Lebron. Before the Finals where his legs died, Wade was torching teams with Lebron off the floor. The Miami offense was fine. It's really the defense that needs to be changed.

Haiq also brings up something that should be known: Miami got blown out by the only team that could realistically beat them down outside the Clippers imo. If it was against anyone else they'd probably 3 peat with Lebron putting up better than Jordan numbers.

Bob Wade deserves all the money he's owed but he should opt out and restructure. I really hope he doesn't go the Kobe route.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 17 2014 09:17 GMT
#826
wonder why Oden didn't get any minutes
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13465 Posts
June 17 2014 09:25 GMT
#827
Because he'd be a liability.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 17 2014 09:28 GMT
#828
Yea. When Michael Beasley came in and played that traffic cone defense I was like please don't put Oden in and embarrass the dude. He can't move quick enough.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 17 2014 11:53 GMT
#829
big piece of a heat rebuild will have to be dwayne wade taking a big paycut. he's not physically capable of playing a full season and he's very refball reliant in the playoffs. there's still some upside there for bursts.

get some sort of interior defense guy, and more scoring options.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13465 Posts
June 17 2014 13:01 GMT
#830
It's a shame the Finals turned out the way they did for Wade because he played very well in the other series (particularly vs Indy).
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
June 17 2014 13:06 GMT
#831
20 million is a LOT of money to opt out of, whether you want championships or not
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13465 Posts
June 17 2014 13:28 GMT
#832
He has made over $120 mill throughout his career.

You wouldn't begrudge him taking the money but I'm not sure he's worth it anymore. If he does opt-in it's going to be very hard for the Heat to build a winner.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
June 17 2014 13:48 GMT
#833
Heat could really use some swag on the bench
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
June 17 2014 14:17 GMT
#834
Just to pile on on Wade here rq, Miami really missed his shot blocking. He used to be a legitimate shot blocking threat, and Miami built Bosh's responsibilities around the understanding that Wade/Lebron could rotate down after traps etc and challenge shots. He couldn't jump after game 2 it looked like, which is tough. Feel for the guy (a little) and wonder what his 'Finish Line' internal monologue is saying currently.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
June 17 2014 14:31 GMT
#835
Didn't Bosh also state that he doesn't want to play in the middle anymore because he doesn't want the wear and tear on his knees? Since he doesn't want to play inside, that means Riley has to dip into the FA pool to find big men to complement.

With LeBron, he changed his game to fit him with his outside shooting while Haslem/Birdman banged knees on the inside, but with potentially both of them gone, who would fulfill that role? Miami hoped that it would be Greg Oden, but who knows how long he'll last.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 17 2014 14:32 GMT
#836
Honestly, Heat should find the quickest, and cheapest way to deal with Wade, he's not playing much better than a second or third round draft pick right now. Sure he was an amazing player monster in the past, but now he's a liability on the court and the books.

I mean, just imagine if you'd traded him for a couple good bench players. Things could have gone so differently-- maybe not a Heat win, but it wouldn't have been worst blowout NA.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 17 2014 15:29 GMT
#837
wade isn't a bad player he just wears out a bit too easily.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 15:55:10
June 17 2014 15:54 GMT
#838
On June 18 2014 00:29 oneofthem wrote:
wade isn't a bad player he just wears out a bit too easily.

The issue is if you get healthy Wade, or TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsWade. They both cost the same against the cap. Will he ever be healthy enough for a full season+playoffs again? I certainly don't know.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
June 17 2014 16:01 GMT
#839
After seeing Ginobili last year and this year, can you really say there is no chance? He looked good enough until this series. Maybe with a heavier minute restriction next year? He needs a pay cut, though, if he's going to play so little.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 16:32:03
June 17 2014 16:30 GMT
#840
On June 18 2014 01:01 andrewlt wrote:
After seeing Ginobili last year and this year, can you really say there is no chance? He looked good enough until this series. Maybe with a heavier minute restriction next year? He needs a pay cut, though, if he's going to play so little.


Lebron played 1300 more minutes than him this season and 400 more than the average player on the Heat. That means Wade played 900 minutes less than the average Heat player. Ignoring overtime, that means he played the equivalent of 18-19 games less, or basically sat out for close to a quarter of the season. I don't think it's possible to sit him out for much more unless you want him to start wearing the official Derrick Rose playoff uniform.

The Heat is a win now team, they can't afford to pay Wade "for services performed" the way the Lakers gave Kobe $30M. The Lakers know they suck this season and are rebuilding. The Heat needs $$$ now to win now.

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