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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
Eliot Shorr-Parks @EliotShorrParks ESPN study showed 6 big men in NBA history have suffered navicular bone injuries. They played in 47.5% of games after surgery #Embiid edit: no idea if missing games is directly linked to injury though. That stat could be a bit misleading as said players might have missed time for other unrelated injuries. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On June 20 2014 18:03 RowdierBob wrote: K Love to Dubs rumours growing strong... you been looking at Sherwood Strauss Twitter feed? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
Hard to know what's on the table. Some say it's Lee+Klay+Barnes+2015 1st/Lee+Klay+Barnes/Lee+Barnes+2015 1st. If they could keep either Klay or Barnes and get Love it would be a good deal. But they'll likely have to take Kevin Martin's horrible contract on too. Hopefully they'd waive him. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 20 2014 18:19 RowdierBob wrote: On Embiid: edit: no idea if missing games is directly linked to injury though. That stat could be a bit misleading as said players might have missed time for other unrelated injuries. i think its sort of a bad sign if he's has gotten an "overuse" injury thus far in his career. i wonder who would want to take the risk | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
But Cleveland is going to be VERY reticent to take any sort of risk after the Bennett disaster. I doubt they take Embiid now. Which leaves a huge choice for Milwaukee. I'd say the Cavs take Wiggins and Milwaukee shits itself over Embiid/Parker. I think Embiid has the highest ceiling in this group but he's also got some Oden potential there too. Milwaukee might be tempted to keep Sanders and take Parker at #2. Does Philly then take Embiid given they already have Noel? I think they have too but it's not a good situation with two young bigs needing playing time. Philly is praying pretty hard one of Parker or Wiggins falls to them I think. Not sure they'd take Exum and guys like Smart, Vonleh, Randle aren't in the same league IMO. Orlando's quietly pooping themselves with delight IMO. Embiid might just fall to them at #4 at this rate. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
I am anxiously praying/hoping he gets to the Lakers at 7 =P. I would be happy with Marcus Smart too. edit: I agree on Love looking like he is going to GS. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
At this point, it becomes a risk vs reward analysis and teams will have to weigh the risk/reward of Embiid with whoever is available at the time. I think that CLE and MIL could pass on him comfortably since the other options are Jabari and Wiggins, but it gets murkier after that. Exum is a popular 3rd pick right now, but there's not much actual evidence teams have to base their decisions on since his experience has been limited and overseas. Do you really pass on the potential of a franchise big for a relatively unknown combo guard? It gets even more difficult once you go to the next tier of Smart/Vonleh/Randle/Gordon/etc., since all of them have their issues and flaws. It's going to be an interesting draft in the first round that's for sure  | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
Now, what do you do with Parker and Wiggins? I think you have to roll the dice. Oden was an outlier; his one leg was significantly shorter than his other one. Bowie had some injury concerns in college, if I recall correctly, but his injuries sounded like freak occurrences (I wasn't alive during his career, so I can't comment on him in that regard). Regardless, I don't think using previous people, who have entirely different styles of play, played in different eras with different conditioning, are completely different people and whatnot makes any sense when discussing a guy today. I immediately thought of Yao when I heard the news about Embiid, but then I remembered that Yao was half a foot taller and carried much more weight. I don't think the foot should be a big enough deterrent to make the Cavs shy away. Oh, who am I kidding, this is the Cavs we're talking about. They'll do something silly and take Aaron Gordon anyway. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
EDIT: Can't fly for 10 days due to surgery. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
Now the best part: DRAFTTTTT!!!!!! I want to put down some thoughts. 1. Looking back at my 2012 predictions, I have no idea what I'm talking about but it's awesome to think about it. 2. Noah Vonleh climbing into the top 5?? Crazy. He's not that good. He was not special at Indiana. 3. I love Marcus Smart. But I think he will be a major disappointment if you're expecting an All-Star player. I'm not even so sure he can start in the modern NBA. He can't really shoot, but loves to do so at volume. On the other hand, he is strong, he has pretty good ball skills and he can finish at the rim. Still, I think he's a below-average starter or a rotation guy who can occasionally take advantage of his size. 4. Cleanthony Early, Aaron Gordon and Zach Lavine are my favorite players of the draft. I saw a lot of both players in the Pac-12, both guys are awesome. Lavine is an elegant player, fluid and awesome jumpz. He can't pass, and for a mega-athlete, he can't seem to play physical. Aaron Gordon is a great prospect, his only problem is he's an inch shorter than ideal. I never saw Cleanthony Early except in the two tournaments, where he was a beast. But he's 23. That being said, I am an athleticism whore. Al-Farouq Aminu! Corey Brewer! Brandon Wright! Wait...this never works. 5. Speaking of athleticism whore, Andrew Wiggins...could bust. I don't see a top-10 player there. Why can't he finish at the rim???? I'd still take him number one overall though. 2athl33t | ||
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Ru ba
Serbia1812 Posts
On June 21 2014 12:04 zulu_nation8 wrote: what's gonna happen when embiid gets drafted though? Is he gonna walk on stage on crutches? Would be hilarious if he goes 1st anyway. hes not going to be there as far as i understood | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
Wiggins is kinda like Wade in that he's an amazing athlete but people aren't sure if he's going to make it in the NBA (not saying Wiggins will be anything close to Wade but he's enigmatic like Wade was in 03...). Exum could be the Darko Millicic of this draft. He only finished High School last year but dominated a recent u19 World Champs for Australia. He's a big PG (compared to Penny H) at 6'6 and has a lightning quick first step albeit not a super athlete (think Tony Parker I guess). He's a huge project who won't be a serious contributor for at least three years but the upside if he hits it is massive. Cleveland can't afford to miss this time so they're def taking one of Parker/Wiggins with Embiid's injury. Milwaukee's in a similar boat with new ownership and a disgruntled fanbase. Not sure they're willing to risk an Embiid pick and leave Parker/Wigg on the table. I think Wiggins goes 1, Parker 2. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On June 21 2014 14:10 slyboogie wrote: I'm so happy the worst part of the season is over (ugh, playoffs.) Now the best part: DRAFTTTTT!!!!!! I want to put down some thoughts. God, you are such an obvious lifelong-Clippers an with statements like that. As for your #2, ikr. I hadn't even heard of him until this week lol. And your #3. I like Smart. And I don't even know why so I'll take your word. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 21 2014 23:23 RowdierBob wrote: Exum could be the Darko Millicic of this draft. He only finished High School last year but dominated a recent u19 World Champs for Australia. He's a big PG (compared to Penny H) at 6'6 and has a lightning quick first step albeit not a super athlete (think Tony Parker I guess). He's a huge project who won't be a serious contributor for at least three years but the upside if he hits it is massive. He was great against the other lower-level talent but he got shut down pretty hard by Marcus Smart. I dunno, I was thoroughly unimpressed. Granted Smart could be the best NBA defender from this draft, but Exum didn't want anything to do with him. He wasn't even battling. I hate potential picks (it's the Darko bias) and capping a player's potential based on imaginary perceptions is ridiculous to me. Also, you don't take project guards. There's too many guards available and they're the quickest to make the jump from college/foreign to NBA-level. FWIW I'd rather have Smart over anybody, besides healthy Embiid and Wiggins (depending on the team.) His jumpshot is a bit broken, but his release is fine. Low 3pt % just tells me he's bad at NBA long 2's, which is fine and he's a far better finisher than Wiggins. And he actually shot well when open, his issue was taking contested shots. He got better against tougher matchups and always took the lead scorer on defense. And as John Thompson says, it's easier to calm a fool than revive a corpse. If Smart becomes Rodney Stuckey (that's assuming jump shot doesn't improve much) + excellent defense, that's actually a really, really good NBA player. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
Exum is very raw but has the great tools to become an NBA star. Does Smart turn out much better than Tony Allen with a little more offence (or that Stuckey reference)? As you say, that's a really good NBA player but not someone you can build around. If Exum hits his ceiling, that's a franchise type guy there. Plenty of young guys like Exum are taken on potential. Look at T Mac, KG, Kobe. Of course there's always the flip side like Gerald Green or Seb Telfair but these teams aren't going to take Exum on a hope and prayer--they've obv seen something they think will translate to longer term success. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On June 22 2014 10:38 RowdierBob wrote: Smart's a better player now but you've got to look long term. Exum is very raw but has the great tools to become an NBA star. Does Smart turn out much better than Tony Allen with a little more offence (or that Stuckey reference)? As you say, that's a really good NBA player but not someone you can build around. If Exum hits his ceiling, that's a franchise type guy there. Plenty of young guys like Exum are taken on potential. Look at T Mac, KG, Kobe. Of course there's always the flip side like Gerald Green or Seb Telfair but these teams aren't going to take Exum on a hope and prayer--they've obv seen something they think will translate to longer term success. Perhaps I'm keying in on too minute of a point that you made, but I think there's a discussion to be had about how valuable a Tony Allen like player is. Here's Allen's stats: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allento01.html So he can't shoot the three, which obviously hurts his team's spacing. He is, however, an extremely efficient offensive player who doesn't require a large number of possessions or minutes. On the defensive end, he's elite. Does that make him a top fifty or hundred player in terms of value? Probably not, because he's a wing, but if he was a center, he'd certainly be worth being picked in the top handful of selections. | ||
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