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Deadelious
Vatican City State30 Posts
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 31m NBA peeps are worried about the Bulls right now. A starting 5 of Rose, Afflalo, Carmelo, Taj + Noah w/ Butler as 6th man is VERY doable. Would be nice. The East could use a second good team. If the 8th Seed in the West (Mavs) were in the East this Year, the probably would have reached the Conference Finals. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On June 22 2014 13:01 Jerubaal wrote: I think the funny thing about this discussion is how binary great big men are. With guards you can argue all day whether this guard is better than that guard. I can name the great big men in NBA history right now: Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabar, Malone, Ewing, Olajuwon, Shaq, Robinson, Duncan. That's it. The second tier is like Ralph Sampson and Yao. This seems to suggest that most big men aren't very talented and the few that are really stand out. First of all, I think your being too simple here. Even in your "elite" tier there is clearly at least 2 tiers with Ewing and Robinson clearly below the others (also is Malone really that 'big'?, if he is don't you need to put on guys like Rodman and Moses Malone?). Second you are forgetting about more 2nd tier guys like Parish, McHale, Walton etc. But that doesn't change the fact that there are not many talented big guys. An on to Dirk... On June 22 2014 16:40 Ace wrote: and what about Shaq, Malone, and Kareem then? Mavs couldn't win because the roster wasn't good enough and they ran into better teams. I hope you weren't expecting Dirk to stop Wade in 2006 and 2011  Well, a good defensive big probably would have made a big difference in 2006. Maybe Wade wouldn't have taken 4000 FTs that series. On June 22 2014 17:33 Jerubaal wrote: I didn't include Dirk because I don't think he fits what we were talking about. Dirk is a stretch 4 who happens to be 7 feet tall. Isn't that kinda the point? He really isn't better than Kyle Korver at anything...except being 7 Feet tall. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On June 22 2014 14:24 RowdierBob wrote: He was still only 17 at that tournament carrying the bulk of the offensive load for that team. You can't judge him on one game In the same tournament Smart was convincingly outplayed head to head both times by Vasile Micic. I guess he should go top five then right? Tbh I found Smart extremely underwhelming last season in college. Ignore that, obviously our guy is going to be awesome  | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On June 23 2014 02:38 Deadelious wrote: Would be nice. The East could use a second good team. If the 8th Seed in the West (Mavs) were in the East this Year, the probably would have reached the Conference Finals. I'm confused how they flip for Afflalo. Wouldn't they have to swap Gibson or Butler? Oh wait, it would have to be Mirotic. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19343 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SoBqCMc.jpg) a bit off topic. rofl gortat | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On June 23 2014 09:54 cLutZ wrote: Hes not the best fit alongside Melo + its not about amassing good players, its about getting underpaid players. Preferably massively underpaid players. Tbh noone is good fit alongside Melo's endless ball hogging and his defensive incapability. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On June 23 2014 20:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: he can play good defense if he tries really hard or if he had a coach who knows what to say to him, when Woodson first took over, Melo's defense was ok to good I think. I can't think of anyone in the NBA who's underpaid except for maybe a few veteran contracts. Rookie contracts don't count. Well, rookies are a sizeable portion of the proposed trade. Also many players like Curry and Noah outperform contracts. And, of course, elite players like LBJ significantly outperform max deals. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
He doesn't want to be the leader on the court, if you have a good PG and other players and let Melo just play the game he's very good. Look at what he did when he played in the Olympics and stuff. It's like Boris Diaw who was chill AF and kind of lazy but a good player if you can figure out how to give him what he needs. | ||
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SwARmZzz
Canada193 Posts
Wiggins, on the other hand, was quite impressive in the Cavs workout... Shows a lot about a guy's character when he willingly does bad in something in which he should always try his best.... | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On June 24 2014 01:13 SwARmZzz wrote: So apparently Parker was purposefully tanking his private workout with the Cavs, because he REALLY wants to go to Milwaukee (~1 hour drive to his hometown chicago). Wiggins, on the other hand, was quite impressive in the Cavs workout... Shows a lot about a guy's character when he willingly does bad in something in which he should always try his best.... Why? The Cavs have been a horribly managed train wreck for years. Their owner is a tantrum throwing little shit. Kyrie & Waiters get along great as you may have heard. What part of that situation is attractive? Why shouldn't Parker decide he'd be much happier in Milwaukee and work to make that happen? Also unsupported claims of player motivation and desires are usually from like Boxden or other equally bullshit sources. | ||
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Ru ba
Serbia1812 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On June 24 2014 01:13 SwARmZzz wrote: So apparently Parker was purposefully tanking his private workout with the Cavs, because he REALLY wants to go to Milwaukee (~1 hour drive to his hometown chicago). Wiggins, on the other hand, was quite impressive in the Cavs workout... Shows a lot about a guy's character when he willingly does bad in something in which he should always try his best.... It's interesting that in the recent espn 30 for 30 on the Detroit Pistons, it was noted that Isiah Thomas, a Chicago native who didn't want Detroit to draft him, recalled tanking the pre-draft interview with McCloskey, and giving every wrong answer he could. McCloskey assured him it didn't matter and the Pistons drafted him anyway. Rick Mahorn did a similar thing after being traded to Detroit: "I didn't like Isiah, I didn't like Laimbeer, I couldn't stand Detroit. I didn't want to come, I didn't work out all summer," Mahorn said. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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