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VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
June 23 2012 11:07 GMT
#6881
On June 23 2012 06:28 Gladiator MG wrote:
Show nested quote +
However, after he left Cleveland to join the SuperFriends, I'm don't think I'm ever going to consider him in that true circle of the greatest elites, as his leaving Cleveland for Miami reaffirmed to me that even he didn't think he was good enough to carry a team to win.


Don't get why you think this. Not too many of the Greats had to do it alone, just because he had The Decision and that huge celebration and such he can't get grouped in with the greats.

Magic had Hakeem
Bird had McHale and Parish
Kobe had Shaq + Bynum/Gasol later
Wade had Shaq
Jordan had Pippen
Allen, KG and Pierce came together to win.

So, yeah. Just because they either were together by drafting or whatever they didn't do it alone.


Whaaa, The Dream never played with Magic? He played for the Rockets & Raports, and Magic was a Laker for life.. or did I miss something significant in NBA history?
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
June 23 2012 11:18 GMT
#6882
On June 23 2012 20:07 VENDIZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 06:28 Gladiator MG wrote:
However, after he left Cleveland to join the SuperFriends, I'm don't think I'm ever going to consider him in that true circle of the greatest elites, as his leaving Cleveland for Miami reaffirmed to me that even he didn't think he was good enough to carry a team to win.


Don't get why you think this. Not too many of the Greats had to do it alone, just because he had The Decision and that huge celebration and such he can't get grouped in with the greats.

Magic had Hakeem
Bird had McHale and Parish
Kobe had Shaq + Bynum/Gasol later
Wade had Shaq
Jordan had Pippen
Allen, KG and Pierce came together to win.

So, yeah. Just because they either were together by drafting or whatever they didn't do it alone.


Whaaa, The Dream never played with Magic? He played for the Rockets & Raports, and Magic was a Laker for life.. or did I miss something significant in NBA history?



pretty sure he meant Kareem. Just a typo/brainfart
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 23 2012 19:35 GMT
#6883
Interesting analysis of the Wizards end of the trade:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/23/the-wizards-and-a-future-of-risk/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 23 2012 19:53 GMT
#6884
I like LBJ and I hope he does win 8 championships but it's a shame that he would do it in Miami. Miami fans are just not as deserving as some other cities, imo. Too many fair weather fans. The Marlins have won 2 championships in the past 15 years and they're probably among the worst in attendance in MLB. I can't blame the fans too much because the years they win the team gets broken up and the next year they do terrible, but you're supposed to support your team even in the bad times. Being from South Florida it's been nice to go to Marlins games with $8 upper deck seats and being able to sit in the front row because you know those seats will be empty. OKC fans were 10 times as insane as Heat fans in that series.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
June 23 2012 20:56 GMT
#6885
On June 23 2012 06:28 Gladiator MG wrote:
Show nested quote +
However, after he left Cleveland to join the SuperFriends, I'm don't think I'm ever going to consider him in that true circle of the greatest elites, as his leaving Cleveland for Miami reaffirmed to me that even he didn't think he was good enough to carry a team to win.


Don't get why you think this. Not too many of the Greats had to do it alone, just because he had The Decision and that huge celebration and such he can't get grouped in with the greats.

Magic had Hakeem
Bird had McHale and Parish
Kobe had Shaq + Bynum/Gasol later
Wade had Shaq
Jordan had Pippen
Allen, KG and Pierce came together to win.

So, yeah. Just because they either were together by drafting or whatever they didn't do it alone.


The perfect comparison to me in all of this is what the teams were without him. The Bulls without Jordan made it to second round and played a tough 7 game series against the Knicks (who made it to finals). The Cavs without LBJ were one of the worst Ive ever seen on a basketball court.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
June 23 2012 22:41 GMT
#6886
LBJ made a costly mistake with The Decision. He's suffered enough. Let him enjoy his crown.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 24 2012 08:49 GMT
#6887
On June 24 2012 05:56 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 06:28 Gladiator MG wrote:
However, after he left Cleveland to join the SuperFriends, I'm don't think I'm ever going to consider him in that true circle of the greatest elites, as his leaving Cleveland for Miami reaffirmed to me that even he didn't think he was good enough to carry a team to win.


Don't get why you think this. Not too many of the Greats had to do it alone, just because he had The Decision and that huge celebration and such he can't get grouped in with the greats.

Magic had Hakeem
Bird had McHale and Parish
Kobe had Shaq + Bynum/Gasol later
Wade had Shaq
Jordan had Pippen
Allen, KG and Pierce came together to win.

So, yeah. Just because they either were together by drafting or whatever they didn't do it alone.


The perfect comparison to me in all of this is what the teams were without him. The Bulls without Jordan made it to second round and played a tough 7 game series against the Knicks (who made it to finals). The Cavs without LBJ were one of the worst Ive ever seen on a basketball court.

And let's not kid ourselves here. What would the heat be without lebron? A 5th or 6th seed in the east is my reasonable guess.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 24 2012 08:56 GMT
#6888
just waiting for the olympics now... so many injuries
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 24 2012 10:00 GMT
#6889
On June 24 2012 17:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 05:56 Adreme wrote:
On June 23 2012 06:28 Gladiator MG wrote:
However, after he left Cleveland to join the SuperFriends, I'm don't think I'm ever going to consider him in that true circle of the greatest elites, as his leaving Cleveland for Miami reaffirmed to me that even he didn't think he was good enough to carry a team to win.


Don't get why you think this. Not too many of the Greats had to do it alone, just because he had The Decision and that huge celebration and such he can't get grouped in with the greats.

Magic had Hakeem
Bird had McHale and Parish
Kobe had Shaq + Bynum/Gasol later
Wade had Shaq
Jordan had Pippen
Allen, KG and Pierce came together to win.

So, yeah. Just because they either were together by drafting or whatever they didn't do it alone.


The perfect comparison to me in all of this is what the teams were without him. The Bulls without Jordan made it to second round and played a tough 7 game series against the Knicks (who made it to finals). The Cavs without LBJ were one of the worst Ive ever seen on a basketball court.

And let's not kid ourselves here. What would the heat be without lebron? A 5th or 6th seed in the east is my reasonable guess.


3rd or 4th if they let Bosh and Wade play out the full season. Don't see them going into the Atlanta/Orlando/Knicks territory at all.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 24 2012 16:15 GMT
#6890
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2012/06/player-movement-basketball
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 24 2012 18:39 GMT
#6891
On June 24 2012 19:00 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 17:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On June 24 2012 05:56 Adreme wrote:
On June 23 2012 06:28 Gladiator MG wrote:
However, after he left Cleveland to join the SuperFriends, I'm don't think I'm ever going to consider him in that true circle of the greatest elites, as his leaving Cleveland for Miami reaffirmed to me that even he didn't think he was good enough to carry a team to win.


Don't get why you think this. Not too many of the Greats had to do it alone, just because he had The Decision and that huge celebration and such he can't get grouped in with the greats.

Magic had Hakeem
Bird had McHale and Parish
Kobe had Shaq + Bynum/Gasol later
Wade had Shaq
Jordan had Pippen
Allen, KG and Pierce came together to win.

So, yeah. Just because they either were together by drafting or whatever they didn't do it alone.


The perfect comparison to me in all of this is what the teams were without him. The Bulls without Jordan made it to second round and played a tough 7 game series against the Knicks (who made it to finals). The Cavs without LBJ were one of the worst Ive ever seen on a basketball court.

And let's not kid ourselves here. What would the heat be without lebron? A 5th or 6th seed in the east is my reasonable guess.


3rd or 4th if they let Bosh and Wade play out the full season. Don't see them going into the Atlanta/Orlando/Knicks territory at all.

Sure, possibly considering how awful boston's record was. But go into the playoffs and could we see them ever beating boston or pacers? I don't think so. Hell, even philly would've been tough to deal with.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 25 2012 15:45 GMT
#6892
http://www.wsvn.com/video/ch1/

Miami Heat Parada Live

I should of posted it earlier, but it's already kinda ending It was insane.... So many people...
Life?
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
June 25 2012 17:09 GMT
#6893
Not as great as the parades on Figueroa, but its alrite
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 25 2012 18:18 GMT
#6894
Now that the worst part of the season is over (ugh, playoffs,) the best part is coming up in 3 days! NBA Draft!!!! Not gonna do a mock but I want to put some thoughts down so they can be laughed at in the near future.

1. I do not get the infatuation with Bradley Beal. His tools don't grade out to be outrageously excellent in any respect: he's not particularly tall, his handles are just good but nothing excellent, his athleticism is adequate (his EJ comps are outrageous, EJ can explode at the rim and is a bowling ball of muscle.) "But what about his shot?!" Granted, it's a beauty. Clean and fast and repeatable. But he is not the driller he's made out to be, just look at his stats at Florida. They're very good but let's settle down before anointing him Ray Allen 2.0.

2. Why is Terrence Jones sliding? I've seen him from 16-22. That's a bit crazy I think. He's got some motor issues and faded from games at Kentucky - but he played with Marquis Teague, MKG and Anthony Davis and Doron Lamb....go figure he'd fade. He's 6'9" and 24lbs with talent and strength and his shot isn't borked in any way.

3. I have never seen Damian Lillard play - I have no idea who he is and why people love him so much.

4. But I have seen Dion Waiters play. And he is not special. Did he even start at Syracuse? If this guy goes top-10, someone needs to recalibarate their risk-reward assessments.

5. Beware of Thomas Robinson, he looks like a NBA starter and plays like one, but just remember, he's a College Junior. He was beating up on kids. I never trust players like that in the lottery...well, except Dwyane Wade. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he'll be a bust but I don't think he's a star either. Charlotte simply can't take him 2nd and expect any sort of true impact.

6. I'm an athleticism whore and Harrison Barnes' measurements were too enticing. I think he should go top 3. 40 inch vert? Jump shot? Sign me the hell up. He was mega lame at UNC though. From what I can tell, he just can't get a shot off because his perimeter ball handling is pretty mediocre, but frankly, his measurements blow Luol Deng's and Danny Granger's out of the water. More athletic Deng for John Wall? That's not the worst.

7. I love guys like Andre Drummond and Perry Jones, they're the reason the NBA draft is awesome. Shoutout to Brandon Wright, Donte Greene, Acie Law IV, Joe Alexander and Tyrus Thomas.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 25 2012 18:30 GMT
#6895
Forgot to mention my favorite player in the draft: Jeremy Lamb. Some guys are just ballers. And he's a baller. All the love for Stephen Curry should be poured on him instead.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
June 26 2012 06:59 GMT
#6896
On June 24 2012 04:35 Ace wrote:
Interesting analysis of the Wizards end of the trade:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/23/the-wizards-and-a-future-of-risk/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Don't really agree with how dour they're making the situation out to be. I stand by my previous post on the trade and support their approach. This whole "the only way to win is by tanking and drafting elite players" idea is getting out of control and has shown itself to fail way more than it succeeds. OKC is great, but a LOT of things had to go right for it to work. How terrible would the league be if it was filled with teams that were either championship contenders and teams tanking for high draft picks? I applaud teams like DEN and WAS for competing while also building for the future. It's not full-proof, but neither is tanking.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 26 2012 07:11 GMT
#6897
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 26 2012 09:21 GMT
#6898
hoping for the blazers to pick kendall marshal on one of their 3 picks.


i just love pass-first pgs <3
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Goetzinho ftw
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany115 Posts
June 26 2012 10:03 GMT
#6899
On June 26 2012 18:21 icystorage wrote:
hoping for the blazers to pick kendall marshal on one of their 3 picks.


i just love pass-first pgs <3


They've only 6+11 in the first round and Mashall projected around ~15-20. I would love to see him with the Mavs, but with Deron that would be stupid.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 26 2012 10:08 GMT
#6900
On June 26 2012 19:03 Goetzinho ftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 18:21 icystorage wrote:
hoping for the blazers to pick kendall marshal on one of their 3 picks.


i just love pass-first pgs <3


They've only 6+11 in the first round and Mashall projected around ~15-20. I would love to see him with the Mavs, but with Deron that would be stupid.

oh shit. i got everything mixed up. there was speculations earlier that the blazers should trade their picks to go higher up the draft so i accidentally thought they had 3 ._.
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
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