EPTAfter the ECF: Ray Allen is too old! We would have won if we had Avery Bradley playing instead!
After rumors about Ray Allen going to Miami leak: WTF! LeBron doesn't need MORE help! Bullshit!
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
After the ECF: Ray Allen is too old! We would have won if we had Avery Bradley playing instead! After rumors about Ray Allen going to Miami leak: WTF! LeBron doesn't need MORE help! Bullshit! | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On June 26 2012 21:45 Ace wrote: Some crazed NBA/Celtics fans months ago: Ray Allen is old, he's got bone spurs. Trade him for O.J. Mayo! After the ECF: Ray Allen is too old! We would have won if we had Avery Bradley playing instead! After rumors about Ray Allen going to Miami leak: WTF! LeBron doesn't need MORE help! Bullshit! It's funny how quickly perceptions change under different circumstances  However, I think it's all a matter of expectations with the Ray Allen situation though. In BOS, he's viewed as one of the Big 3 (or 4) and as someone they needed to carry a significant offensive load for them to win. The Celtics are not considered contenders if Ray Allen is just a role player, so him playing like one was seen as a huge loss/impairment for their team. If he joins MIA, or any other contender really, he'll be joining as a super role player that just makes an already good team even better. If he were to join the Heat, Thunder, Bulls, Spurs, or even semi-contenders like the Lakers, Clippers, Mavs, etc., the expectations would be very different. Teams wouldn't be signing the Allstar, future HoF Ray Allen, they'd be signing the star-turned-role, player piece-to-put-us-over-top Ray Allen. Very different role with very different expectations, which understandably leads to a very different opinion about the same guy. As an Allstar 20+ ppg scorer, Ray is going to disappoint at this point in his career. As a knockdown 3pt shooter to take pressure off of your star players, he would be amazingly overqualified and make a team like MIA almost unstoppable. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Miami's main problem of signing Ray Allen (if Miller retires) is that they've already got a ton of wing players. Unless Dexter Pittman + their draft pick develops into a competent back up front court I don't see why they would want Miller. Playing LeBron at PF for an entire season isn't exactly wise either. Cole / Chalmers Wade / Battier/ LeBron/ Jones Bosh / Haslem / Turiaf / Pittman With Terrel Harris and Gladness (2 more wings) coming off the bench is a lot. But I guess having the best 3 pt shooter in the league isn't exactly a bad thing. I just don't know if it's worth ignoring a FA big to boost their already top tier defense + rebounding. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
also ray has a ring on his finger, one he can call his own, any other ring now will not be the same. I understand he likes winning, and going into the posts season, so I think he may lean towards a team willing to put up the cash, but I don't think the clippers will pay taxes for him, and I feel his ability to put fans in the stands is as important as his ability to put the ball in the bucket so a middle of the pack team might be intereated in him just to sell more tickets, not just his ability to shoot the three. also steve nash actually still needs a chip, and shoots threes at a higher percentage than ray, while still being in the top 10 all time threes made, and he isn't a wing, why wouldn't the heat target him? :p | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On June 27 2012 03:40 Ace wrote: Yep. The popular sentiment is "crap. All those guys on Miami except Battier during the regular season were lighting it up from 3. Did you see how open Mike Miller was in Game 5?! Holy ****." Miami's main problem of signing Ray Allen (if Miller retires) is that they've already got a ton of wing players. Unless Dexter Pittman + their draft pick develops into a competent back up front court I don't see why they would want Miller. Playing LeBron at PF for an entire season isn't exactly wise either. Cole / Chalmers Wade / Battier/ LeBron/ Jones Bosh / Haslem / Turiaf / Pittman With Terrel Harris and Gladness (2 more wings) coming off the bench is a lot. But I guess having the best 3 pt shooter in the league isn't exactly a bad thing. I just don't know if it's worth ignoring a FA big to boost their already top tier defense + rebounding. I see Ray Allen as being more of a backup to Wade and closer. The Heat don't really have an SG behind Wade right now, as Battier, Jones and Miller are SFs. Ray could come in and be that guy who can spell Wade for stretches and carry/lead their second unit when Wade goes out. In the 4th quarter, they could plug him in with Wade, Lebron, Bosh and another 3pt threat and just murder teams. Scary enough that it's totally understandable that the rest of the league and their fans are crying outrage. Sadly, there's virtually no chance that he ends up signing with the Lakers because they could really use him. The first quality backup to Kobe that the Lakers would have had in... forever? 3pt shooting for a team that needs to create spacing for their great post play? The BOS-LAL rivalry, the Kobe-Ray bickering from the Sonics days, the lack of any meaningful money the Lakers can throw at him, and the much greater appeal in terms of winning a ring that MIA can offer. Sigh... It'd be awesome to see him sign with the Clippers too, but I think that team is still too up-and-coming for Ray to be interested, let alone pick over the Heat. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Ace
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:30 slyboogie wrote: Forgot to mention my favorite player in the draft: Jeremy Lamb. Some guys are just ballers. And he's a baller. All the love for Stephen Curry should be poured on him instead. I'm with this 100%, Jeremy Lamb is also my favorite player coming out of the draft. Also, is it just me, or are the comparisons of the Unibrow to Bill Russell just a little ridiculous? It's like comparing kids to MJ right out of college, you need time to earn those comparisons, to me, at least. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On June 27 2012 04:48 Ace wrote: The Timberwolves might actually be a nightmare next year. OKC holding the WC throne for a long time doesn't seem like a lock at all. Really Ace? Why do you say that? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
The main thing is Kevin Love is a franchise player and he is an offensive juggernaut. They just need to get the rest of their young players to be solid contributors. And Chase Budinger can actually hit 3s. | ||
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ghrur
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On June 26 2012 15:59 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Don't really agree with how dour they're making the situation out to be. I stand by my previous post on the trade and support their approach. This whole "the only way to win is by tanking and drafting elite players" idea is getting out of control and has shown itself to fail way more than it succeeds. OKC is great, but a LOT of things had to go right for it to work. How terrible would the league be if it was filled with teams that were either championship contenders and teams tanking for high draft picks? I applaud teams like DEN and WAS for competing while also building for the future. It's not full-proof, but neither is tanking. I like Adam Gold's solution to fix tanking: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/39750/fix-tanking-the-sloan-solution Basically, the team with most wins after having been eliminated from playoff contention gets the #1 pick. The terrible teams will still have better opportunities at the highest picks, but this way they have incentive to keep playing instead of shutting it down and actively trying to get the worst record (and then being rewarded for this...). And this system is obviously better for the teams that are mediocre but actually try to win, like Houston. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
also I dont mind tanking, I watch basketball for the playoffs, the regular season is just to asses contenders in a laid back way before the playoffs. | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
On June 27 2012 05:59 Holcan wrote: so the bobcats would never be able to advance without grossly over paying ad they literally don't have enough talent to compete, and won't in tge future by gettibg the 14th pick constantly, while a team with an injured player and solid core can lose themselves to 9th? I don't see how that solves tanking at all. also I dont mind tanking, I watch basketball for the playoffs, the regular season is just to asses contenders in a laid back way before the playoffs. I'm wondering if I'm the only one who'd be all for the idea that's been proposed many times, reducing the regular season to like 60 or 70 games or something? | ||
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