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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 26 2012 21:34 GMT
#6921
Trade I spent 2 hours arguing about with a friend 3-months ago: Kevin Love for Kevin Durant. THINK ABOUT IT!!!
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 26 2012 21:40 GMT
#6922
On June 27 2012 05:56 SK.Testie wrote:
You would really think by now that someone would have told that guy to do something about his unibrow.


He did do something, he trademarked it.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 26 2012 22:19 GMT
#6923
On June 27 2012 05:56 SK.Testie wrote:
You would really think by now that someone would have told that guy to do something about his unibrow.

It's his signature look, so he's not going to do anything about it. But he does need some orthodontics work (please!).

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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 26 2012 22:21 GMT
#6924
On June 27 2012 06:19 Leyra wrote:
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On June 27 2012 05:59 Holcan wrote:
so the bobcats would never be able to advance without grossly over paying ad they literally don't have enough talent to compete, and won't in tge future by gettibg the 14th pick constantly, while a team with an injured player and solid core can lose themselves to 9th? I don't see how that solves tanking at all.


also I dont mind tanking, I watch basketball for the playoffs, the regular season is just to asses contenders in a laid back way before the playoffs.


I'm wondering if I'm the only one who'd be all for the idea that's been proposed many times, reducing the regular season to like 60 or 70 games or something?

that doesn't work either, then some teams don't get to host kobe or lebron at home games? well there goes their marquee dates for selling tickets.


plus, tanking isn't even the biggest issue in basketball, there's way more issues that should be addressed, like how to utilize tape to assist referees, and how to make the product overall more appealing by limiting flopping.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 22:56:19
June 26 2012 22:56 GMT
#6925
On June 27 2012 05:59 Holcan wrote:
so the bobcats would never be able to advance without grossly over paying ad they literally don't have enough talent to compete, and won't in tge future by gettibg the 14th pick constantly, while a team with an injured player and solid core can lose themselves to 9th? I don't see how that solves tanking at all.


also I dont mind tanking, I watch basketball for the playoffs, the regular season is just to asses contenders in a laid back way before the playoffs.


My understanding is that the 9th place team would be mathematically eliminated from the hunt later than the 10th place team, and thus have less games to accumulate wins. Whereas the 15th team may be eliminated with 30 games to play, thus having more games to amass wins

Would the OK teams then tank their way out of contention THEN turn up the heat late season?
Trucy Wright is hot
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 23:19:16
June 26 2012 23:16 GMT
#6926
On June 27 2012 05:05 Ace wrote:
Kevin Love is aruably one of the top players in the game, and Rubio is a great passer and a solid defender. They've got a great coach and have multiple young guys (somebody has to work out, and Derrick Williams can't be bad again).

The main thing is Kevin Love is a franchise player and he is an offensive juggernaut. They just need to get the rest of their young players to be solid contributors. And Chase Budinger can actually hit 3s.


I agree that MIN is starting to look like a rising team, but I'm not ready to describe them as a legitimate threat to OKC yet. They just haven't proven anything yet at this point other than that they have two very exciting stars in Love and Rubio.

I know that Love is producing like a monster, but that production hasn't translated to wins yet. Obviously, Love can only do so much and you can't hold the losses against him personally, but the bottom line is that there has been a lack of any significant team success despite Love's incredible play. How much better can Love play? This isn't an indictment against Love, but even KG was unable to turn his version of the TWolves into a legitimate championship contender despite his brilliance.

Love is an amazingly unique player, but that also makes it trickier to build around him. He's a great scorer and rebounder, but his defense is always going to be questionable because his lack of vertical and so-so wingspan prevents him from protecting the rim like some of the other PFs on championship rosters, i.e. KG, Duncan, Gasol, Odom, Bosh, Lebron (doesn't really count but still). As a result, like Dirk (probably the best comparison), he's going to need to have a defensive big who can protect the rim next to him for the team to take the next step and Darko doesn't count. Not a lot of talented rim-protecting bigs in the league period really (see: why DeAndre is getting paid $10M a year), so it's not a small problem to have.

Rubio is a great talent in his own right, but a playmaker can only do so much. Love is going to need some offensive punch to back him up, and Rubio isn't really that type of player. They'll need to find another consistent scorer who can put up 18-20 ppg every night a la Terry (sticking with the Dirk comparisons), and right now their best hopes for that are Beasley and Williams, neither of whom have shown themselves to be capable of being that guy and don't fit well next to Love (see below).

The last problem is their defense, which is key to being contender. Their best defender is Rubio, but what teams really need these days are wing stoppers and bigs who can protect the paint and the TWolves have neither right now. Even with Love's rebounding prowess, the team is still average overall (16th in DRR). How does this team guard teams like OKC, SAS, LAL, or LAC?

As for their young players, I haven't seen anything from them to give me much of an impression. Pekovic was great this year, but he's not the defensive big they need. Derrick Williams and Beasley both have potential, but don't fit next to Love (Williams plays the same position and can't protect the rim, Beasley can't guard wings and can't play PF because of Williams and Love). Ellington, Wesley Johnson, and Webster have been just okay. Randolph is.... Randolph.

Young and exciting team? Yes. Threat to OKC or any other contender? No.
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Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
June 27 2012 00:38 GMT
#6927
On June 27 2012 07:21 Holcan wrote:
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On June 27 2012 06:19 Leyra wrote:
On June 27 2012 05:59 Holcan wrote:
so the bobcats would never be able to advance without grossly over paying ad they literally don't have enough talent to compete, and won't in tge future by gettibg the 14th pick constantly, while a team with an injured player and solid core can lose themselves to 9th? I don't see how that solves tanking at all.


also I dont mind tanking, I watch basketball for the playoffs, the regular season is just to asses contenders in a laid back way before the playoffs.


I'm wondering if I'm the only one who'd be all for the idea that's been proposed many times, reducing the regular season to like 60 or 70 games or something?

that doesn't work either, then some teams don't get to host kobe or lebron at home games? well there goes their marquee dates for selling tickets.


plus, tanking isn't even the biggest issue in basketball, there's way more issues that should be addressed, like how to utilize tape to assist referees, and how to make the product overall more appealing by limiting flopping.



Well, I'm not really saying a shorter schedule completely eliminates tanking, nor that it's the biggest problem in the game , but moreso it may help the quality of play, and raise the value of the average ticket, and get rid of some of those stretches (like the Heat this year) where a good team just coasts, and rests players, etc. Just looking forward to the finals. Besides, if it's a 70 game schedule, couldn't you play like 2 games vs each team in the other conference, or 4 vs your own division, and 2 vs the rest of your own conference? (I dunno, I don't have all the answers!) Obviously you couldn't take away playing each team twice, I dunno. I just think there's a lot of those January-February games that just don't have the intensity(for obvious reasons.)


Definitely would like to see flopping addressed somehow, though.


icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19346 Posts
June 27 2012 00:47 GMT
#6928
brandon roy is coming back <3 (hopefully, i dont care what role he plays)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/06/26/call-it-a-comeback-for-brandon-roy/?ls=iref:nbahpt1
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 27 2012 01:41 GMT
#6929
I'm kind of getting tired of the Euroleague is teamball, NBA is iso ball arguments I hear every so often. Even though we all know Euroleague and Fiba are magnitudes lower in terms of quality compared to the NBA I want to start with this:

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/03/nba-vs-europe-style-of-play/
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 27 2012 01:44 GMT
#6930
It's just a retarded statement that should be ignored. NBA is the highest level of play in all areas.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 02:20:08
June 27 2012 02:10 GMT
#6931
Ya thats just an uninformed statement imo. I am glad I read the article before I responded with why I think so, because the article actually covered the 2 biggest points I wanted to make. Which is that they play team ball because they have to (kind of like how the old guys at the YMCA that school the young guns have to), and that they mostly do this because they don't have that star-player that can single-handedly keep you in games or win you games usually. Like I said though, clicking on the article was a pleasant surprise as I was nodding my head the whole way.

edit:grammar
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 02:16:14
June 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#6932
Our USA team *was* like that in the past because no one ever played with each other and they literally formed the team a month prior. Now it feels like everyone's team play has evolved tremendously, even when playing with people for only a few months. I'd say the defense has evolved the most.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#6933
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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
June 27 2012 03:15 GMT
#6934
A) The same guy who thinks Blake Griffin is the second coming of Wilkins, crossed with a Shawn Kemp.
B) A poor grief-ridden Clippers fan of many years
C) Slyboogie
D) All of the above

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"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Pobearo
Profile Joined August 2009
United States351 Posts
June 27 2012 03:15 GMT
#6935
Awwww yeahhhhhh teamliquid! Ben Gordon is out of Detroit!

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221751/Bobcats_Acquire_Gordon_Future_First_Round_Pick_For_Maggette

Let's hope Joe Dumars is up to his early 00's shenanigans and not his late 00's shenanigans.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 03:34:43
June 27 2012 03:20 GMT
#6936
All I have to say is salary-dump. Good move after a terrible move to begin with by Dumars lol. It was smart to have the pick they traded be lottery-protected though b/c it will come in handy.

edit: agreed below. Didn't adress Charlotte but they didn't do terrible with this (don't know if we lower our expectations though since it is the bobcats). On one hand, they get help in the area they said they needed the most but on the other hand, Gordon is a little pricey for the way he has been playing in DET. Let's see if the change does him some good.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 27 2012 03:26 GMT
#6937
Bad Porn's game has really dropped off with the rule change, but I do enjoy him as a player, especially for his help with that clippers personal whom Sterling didn't want to support.

Glad to see Ben Gordon go, a bit late into the contract, but whatever. Charlotte actually acquired some straight talent, one which doesnt need the ball in his hands either. Decent trade for both teams imo.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
June 27 2012 03:42 GMT
#6938
On June 26 2012 16:11 krndandaman wrote:
really hoping the wizards get a nice pick.
thoughts on the wizards for next year?
will they be able to fight for a #8 spot?

dont know much about them and im going to be spending the next 4 years in dc


We needed one player. It's telling that prior to the stupid trade all the interest leaks were about OTHER players. Their interest in a specific player was very hush-hush.

... and then #firegrunfeld telegraphed the team's interest by pulling off the stupid trade.

Hey world, guess what, we sort of need Beal. And it's looking less and less likely we'll get him.

We might be able to fight for the #8 spot but that'll end up being our ceiling for two years.
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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 27 2012 03:45 GMT
#6939
Why wont you get Beal unless Charlotte trades the #2 pick? Are you inferring your team is looking toward MKG? Or another player?

I don't see Beal being gone by Charlotte at #2, they need a high risk, high reward player to offset their lack of talent.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 03:53:11
June 27 2012 03:46 GMT
#6940
Momentum for the Cavs trading up for the Cats' pick has been building. Cavs supposedly don't want to part with the 24th pick, but the Cats are completely open to trading down, and eventually the Cavs will probably fold and give up the 24th.

Edit:
Like, people are now talking about who we're going to pick instead, so resigned are most people in the area to losing Beal to the Cavs. And most signs are pointing to Barnes because he can hit a three. BECAUSE HE CAN (sort of?) HIT THREE POINTERS. That's how pathetic this has become :|

GG thanks for telegraphing our pick to the world, Grunfail.

Edit2:
I have no problem with the trade itself. We weren't going to sign anyone good (no one wants to come to the Wiz), so we were going to overpay mediocre players anyways. This was just locking up players for 2 years instead of like 3-4 year deals that we'd have been forced to sign people for in FA. In 2 years the new collective bargaining agreement's salary stuff kicks in, so it makes sense to me.

But the timing couldn't have possibly been worse.
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