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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [component points] + Skating: Kim 9.21 Sotnikova 9.18 Kostner 9.14 Transitions: Kim 8.96 Sotnikova 8.96 Kostner 8.71 Execution: all equal Choreography: Sotnikova 9.50 Kim 9.39 Kostner 9.21 Interpretation: Kostner 9.61 Kim 9.57 Sotnikova 9.43 Source: http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf So, all the figure skating experts who thinks that Sotnikova didn't win fair and square, please tell us where Sotnikova was overmarked! | ||
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sharkie
Austria18564 Posts
On February 21 2014 06:47 L1ghtning wrote: Here's the program components of the top 3 in the women's figure skating free skate + Show Spoiler [component points] + Skating: Kim 9.21 Sotnikova 9.18 Kostner 9.14 Transitions: Kim 8.96 Sotnikova 8.96 Kostner 8.71 Execution: all equal Choreography: Sotnikova 9.50 Kim 9.39 Kostner 9.21 Interpretation: Kostner 9.61 Kim 9.57 Sotnikova 9.43 Source: http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf So, all the figure skating experts who thinks that Sotnikova didn't win fair and square, please tell us where Sotnikova was overmarked! Choreography, Interpretation, Transitions - it's a joke, Costner und Yuna were so smooth, fit all their movements to their music and Sotnikova just filled her program with difficult moves which is fair and fine (and she also got deserving points for that) but it was not on the same aesthetic level as the other two | ||
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scissorhands
United States68 Posts
On February 21 2014 06:47 L1ghtning wrote: Here's the program components of the top 3 in the women's figure skating free skate + Show Spoiler [component points] + Skating: Kim 9.21 Sotnikova 9.18 Kostner 9.14 Transitions: Kim 8.96 Sotnikova 8.96 Kostner 8.71 Execution: all equal Choreography: Sotnikova 9.50 Kim 9.39 Kostner 9.21 Interpretation: Kostner 9.61 Kim 9.57 Sotnikova 9.43 Source: http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf So, all the figure skating experts who thinks that Sotnikova didn't win fair and square, please tell us where Sotnikova was overmarked! LOL. And for all the figure skating experts who thinks that Sotnikova DID win fair and square, please tell us where Sotnikova WASN'T overmarked! Can't just have one side do all the hard work if you're trying to have a real debate, if there ever can be one! | ||
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Koenig99
Canada904 Posts
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brainox
Germany292 Posts
On February 21 2014 07:12 Koenig99 wrote: Anyone in Korea or can read Korean? Wanna know how badly Nate and Naver are blowing up over the figure skating mess. God I hope netizenbuzz starts translating these articles quickly, because it seems like S. Korea is going to war with Russia over this. Its nice to see that the highest trending is 연아야 고마워 - Thank You Yuna. Other than that obviously everyone is saying that it yuna should have won and comments about corruption/worst olympics/so sad for Yuna T_T etc. and they are a lot of articles about foreign reactions for example katarina witts statement on german television( just saying kim yuna should have won) | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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SwARmZzz
Canada193 Posts
Karma should always be a b*tch.... | ||
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scissorhands
United States68 Posts
For what it's worth, Yuna is a bona fide class act. She's donated competition prize money and huge sums of her own money to relief efforts, including the typhoon in the Philippines. Despite her fame, she remains humble and forward-looking. She's beautiful and intelligent and I look forward to seeing what greater beauty she creates in the world around her in the coming years. Really, her best years are still ahead of her. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On February 21 2014 07:29 scissorhands wrote: Seriously, it's over. Finished. I LOVE Yuna, but she has the silver, Russia has the gold. Not worth arguing about. For what it's worth, Yuna is a bona fide class act. She's donated competition prize money and huge sums of her own money to relief efforts, including the typhoon in the Philippines. Despite her fame, she remains humble and forward-looking. She's beautiful and intelligent and I look forward to seeing what greater beauty she creates in the world around her in the coming years. Really, her best years are still ahead of her. Well, according to the german TV she has announced her retirement before Pyeongchang today after the competition, as she does not want to face the pressure of running in Korea... | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
IMO, the person who lost the most is Yulia. She'll probably be in her prime then... | ||
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
![[image loading]](http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73106000/png/_73106091_mmwoyskixqfcarnage2.png) Ski cross quarter final. Don't think I need to say much else. lol | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On February 21 2014 05:00 QuanticHawk wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.fws.gov/southeast/hotissues/eagle/images/Eagle2.jpg) Oh man I couldn't wait to get home to see what Hawk posted after that, lol. Didn't disappoint. I just hope tomorrow's game is as close, far more worried about that game. | ||
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musai
Canada552 Posts
On February 21 2014 06:47 L1ghtning wrote: Here's the program components of the top 3 in the women's figure skating free skate + Show Spoiler [component points] + Skating: Kim 9.21 Sotnikova 9.18 Kostner 9.14 Transitions: Kim 8.96 Sotnikova 8.96 Kostner 8.71 Execution: all equal Choreography: Sotnikova 9.50 Kim 9.39 Kostner 9.21 Interpretation: Kostner 9.61 Kim 9.57 Sotnikova 9.43 Source: http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf So, all the figure skating experts who thinks that Sotnikova didn't win fair and square, please tell us where Sotnikova was overmarked! ![[image loading]](http://cfile246.uf.daum.net/image/27065A4C530663A70FACD0) | ||
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scissorhands
United States68 Posts
On February 21 2014 07:44 mahrgell wrote: Well, according to the german TV she has announced her retirement before Pyeongchang today after the competition, as she does not want to face the pressure of running in Korea... Yeah, I was referring to her life outside the rink. | ||
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SwARmZzz
Canada193 Posts
Mao, by far, had the most technically difficult free skate program, and yet she couldn't score higher than her.... | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
On February 21 2014 07:00 scissorhands wrote: LOL. And for all the figure skating experts who thinks that Sotnikova DID win fair and square, please tell us where Sotnikova WASN'T overmarked! Can't just have one side do all the hard work if you're trying to have a real debate, if there ever can be one! The judges of this event have stated their opinion, and then a bunch of ppl here claims that something is wrong with the scores. If you guys are so sure that something is wrong, then it should be easy for you to point out all the mistakes the judges did in detail. Saying things like, Kim Yuna was more artistic, or she had better choreography just doesn't cut it. That's just subjective bullshit that doesn't hold any legitimacy, unless it's a opinion that is hold by most (ie not 1 or 2) experts, and with that I mean real experts. I would never attempt to defend the scores, simply because I'm not knowledgeable enough to make a proper judgement. This was going to be a huge controversy no matter what. That is unavoidable in a sport where the rules and the ratings aren't perfectly clear cut. Kim Yuna absolutely crushed her opponents last year in the World Championship, but the competition then and today is like night and day. That's something that I don't think most ppl realize. Kim Yuna didn't lose the gold today, she won the silver. That's how fierce the competition was. If Kostner had won, ppl would have complained too, maybe not to the same extent, because she's not as easy target as this russian girl. It would have happened though, it always does. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On February 21 2014 08:32 SwARmZzz wrote: ^ Apparently, she had more "difficult" jumps than Yuna... Hence, the fatigue and alas the execution on that jump... Mao, by far, had the most technically difficult free skate program, and yet she couldn't score higher than her.... Remember Vancouver? Plushenko vs Lysacek? The same shit - just reversed. You have more difficulty jumps? Well, sucks that you don't win. The real annoying thing is the inconsistency. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadruple_jump_controversy | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
I believe this was covered by the technical score, where Sotnikova was superior despite this mistake. Can you guys decide if it was the technical elements or components that was overmarked? | ||
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SwARmZzz
Canada193 Posts
On February 21 2014 08:41 Zocat wrote: Remember Vancouver? Plushenko vs Lysacek? The same shit - just reversed. You have more difficulty jumps? Well, sucks that you don't win. The real annoying thing is the inconsistency. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadruple_jump_controversy Except the execution from Mao from was greater than that of the russian's with a more difficult program.... Your argument doesn't work here cause lysacek had the lesser program but greater GOE, and the reverse for Plush.... And why the hell are you bringing up quads vs. tiple triples... The scoring implications in that are far greater and nothing in the ladies program even compares.... Maybe Triple axel combo vs. all the other triples combinations... | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
Admittedly, at a choreography stand point, Adios Nonino felt a bit lacking. (damnit David Wilson). Nowhere near her last 2 free skates. But then again, there's nothing great about the choreography of Rondo either. Just compare the PCS of the top 5 girls, it's quite obvious what's going on. I could even concede the standing, but not the point differential. Sotnikova's free skate marks was a droplet away from breaking Kim's world record from Vancouver! I would still put Asada first in the Free Skate, but unfortunately she wasn't in the final group, thus getting low-balled on the PCS. And perhaps stingy GOE marks as well. | ||
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