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Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
February 21 2014 00:15 GMT
#1361
On February 21 2014 09:05 SwARmZzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 08:41 Zocat wrote:
On February 21 2014 08:32 SwARmZzz wrote:
^ Apparently, she had more "difficult" jumps than Yuna... Hence, the fatigue and alas the execution on that jump...
Mao, by far, had the most technically difficult free skate program, and yet she couldn't score higher than her....


Remember Vancouver? Plushenko vs Lysacek?
The same shit - just reversed. You have more difficulty jumps? Well, sucks that you don't win.

The real annoying thing is the inconsistency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadruple_jump_controversy


Except the execution from Mao from was greater than that of the russian's with a more difficult program....
Your argument doesn't work here cause lysacek had the lesser program but greater GOE, and the reverse for Plush....
And why the hell are you bringing up quads vs. tiple triples... The scoring implications in that are far greater and nothing in the ladies program even compares.... Maybe Triple axel combo vs. all the other triples combinations...


I meant the overall problem of "More difficulty program, but worse execution" vs "Easy program, but better execution". It was a comment about your 1st line, not the 2nd with Mao (I should've removed that line).
People are saying the Russian girl had more difficult jumps, except that didn't matter in 2010 for Plushenko.
SwARmZzz
Profile Joined June 2013
Canada193 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 00:22:13
February 21 2014 00:20 GMT
#1362
^ Plush literally edged out his quads in his programs.... Landed, indeed... but unfortunately for him, we have something called GOE... I didn't see Kim or Mao having any difficulties with their jumps, if anything... I believe they came out of their jumps with much more speed than the "gold medalist"
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 21 2014 00:25 GMT
#1363
On February 21 2014 07:19 Ysellian wrote:
It's subjective. You guys shouldn't really put too much value in the end result, if you felt Yuna is better does it really matter that she won silver? It seems to me that all three girls were really close in terms of skill and whoever smiled the most towards the judges won. Besides none of you can say that you are neutrals either considering the amount of Yuna adoration around here


It's always been that way in figure skating man no matter the discipline and judging is just as much a farce as it was when they changed the scoring. C'est la vie.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17007 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 01:04:01
February 21 2014 01:03 GMT
#1364
i realize women's hockey is boring.
but , these gentlemen disagree

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
February 21 2014 01:07 GMT
#1365
On February 21 2014 10:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i realize women's hockey is boring.
but , these gentlemen disagree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNVS0wgXm3s


I'm afraid to see what these guys will do if the men win
Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
February 21 2014 01:38 GMT
#1366
On February 21 2014 10:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i realize women's hockey is boring.
but , these gentlemen disagree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNVS0wgXm3s

I don't think we watched the same game.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17007 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 02:00:50
February 21 2014 01:58 GMT
#1367
On February 21 2014 10:38 Fischbacher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 10:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i realize women's hockey is boring.
but , these gentlemen disagree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNVS0wgXm3s

I don't think we watched the same game.


it is sarcasm sir.
just about every serious hockey observer thinks the women's event was "great hockey".

those competing in men's olympic 1-man trolling have a different opinion.
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8850 Posts
February 21 2014 02:07 GMT
#1368
On February 21 2014 10:38 Fischbacher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 10:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i realize women's hockey is boring.
but , these gentlemen disagree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNVS0wgXm3s

I don't think we watched the same game.


So that's what it'd sound like if Paul Giamatti talked on the radio about hockey.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
February 21 2014 02:23 GMT
#1369
Let's be realistic here. The women are much, much slower, they are far less physical (because of the rules), and they are worse at shooting, puck possession, and passing, and all of this was clearly evident in today's game.

That said, it doesn't mean that it wasn't great hockey. It was. It was incredibly entertaining and exciting. "Greatest moments" in any sport or event are always plagued by mistakes. There are multiple people on the ice at the time, all kinds of uncertainties (from ice quality to refs to whatever), and a huge amount of stress. It's the nature of anything where there are multiple people directly competing at the same time under time constraints. If you want to see the best hockey executed, you'll probably have to watch some meaningless mid-season game against a crappy opponent by a great team. If you want to see true excitement, then you have to accept the fact that you'll see quirky things and mistakes in the big pressure games. That's just how it works.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
February 21 2014 02:27 GMT
#1370
Really looking forward to the womens slalom tomorrow. 6-8 girls have a shot at the win imo.
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 03:01:11
February 21 2014 02:54 GMT
#1371
I'm curious what people on TL think about medal rankings (if anyone even cares, maybe it's just 'Murican thing).
So far Norway has most golds with 10, and USA most total medals with 25.
IMO gold is the most important consideration, with total medals considered in the event of a gold tie. In my mind, the current ranking would be:

1. Norway 10G 4S 7B
2. USA 8G 6S 11B
3. Germany 8G 4S 4B

Edit: Apparently that is the same way the actual Sochi Olympics site does it: http://www.sochi2014.com/en
NBC and ESPN rank by total medals, and BBC goes by the same as the official site.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
February 21 2014 02:59 GMT
#1372
Queen Yuna was robbed!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2014/02/20/winter-olympics-games-sochi-figure-skating-women-yuna-kim-gracie-gold/5643143/
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Eventine
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
February 21 2014 03:07 GMT
#1373
On February 21 2014 11:54 GwSC wrote:
I'm curious what people on TL think about medal rankings (if anyone even cares, maybe it's just 'Murican thing).
So far Norway has most golds with 10, and USA most total medals with 25.
IMO gold is the most important consideration, with total medals considered in the event of a gold tie. In my mind, the current ranking would be:

1. Norway 10G 4S 7B
2. USA 8G 6S 11B
3. Germany 8G 4S 4B

Edit: Apparently that is the same way the actual Sochi Olympics site does it: http://www.sochi2014.com/en
NBC and ESPN rank by total medals, and BBC goes by the same as the official site.


Pretty much, US goes by totals, the world goes by gold.

Think of it like the metric system
You are everything, I never knew, I always wanted.
Eventine
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
February 21 2014 03:09 GMT
#1374
On February 21 2014 11:59 Canucklehead wrote:
Queen Yuna was robbed!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2014/02/20/winter-olympics-games-sochi-figure-skating-women-yuna-kim-gracie-gold/5643143/


Some of the criticism is probably fair. Personally I have no clue how to judge a figure skating competition, and neither does the majority of people out there.

But quoting Ashley Wagner is disappointing. That girl is nothing but whine and did not even deserve to be at the Olympics.
You are everything, I never knew, I always wanted.
Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 03:14:02
February 21 2014 03:13 GMT
#1375
On February 21 2014 12:09 Eventine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 11:59 Canucklehead wrote:
Queen Yuna was robbed!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2014/02/20/winter-olympics-games-sochi-figure-skating-women-yuna-kim-gracie-gold/5643143/


Some of the criticism is probably fair. Personally I have no clue how to judge a figure skating competition, and neither does the majority of people out there.

But quoting Ashley Wagner is disappointing. That girl is nothing but whine and did not even deserve to be at the Olympics.

This so much. People please stop with the armchair quarterback comments, or go do it in reddit.
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 03:17:22
February 21 2014 03:16 GMT
#1376
On February 21 2014 12:07 Eventine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 11:54 GwSC wrote:
I'm curious what people on TL think about medal rankings (if anyone even cares, maybe it's just 'Murican thing).
So far Norway has most golds with 10, and USA most total medals with 25.
IMO gold is the most important consideration, with total medals considered in the event of a gold tie. In my mind, the current ranking would be:

1. Norway 10G 4S 7B
2. USA 8G 6S 11B
3. Germany 8G 4S 4B

Edit: Apparently that is the same way the actual Sochi Olympics site does it: http://www.sochi2014.com/en
NBC and ESPN rank by total medals, and BBC goes by the same as the official site.


Pretty much, US goes by totals, the world goes by gold.

Think of it like the metric system


Yeah, I'm realizing this after checking several different countries' news sites
And apparently NBC only changed to total medals within the last couple Olympics.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 21 2014 03:26 GMT
#1377
On February 21 2014 12:13 Cubu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 12:09 Eventine wrote:
On February 21 2014 11:59 Canucklehead wrote:
Queen Yuna was robbed!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2014/02/20/winter-olympics-games-sochi-figure-skating-women-yuna-kim-gracie-gold/5643143/


Some of the criticism is probably fair. Personally I have no clue how to judge a figure skating competition, and neither does the majority of people out there.

But quoting Ashley Wagner is disappointing. That girl is nothing but whine and did not even deserve to be at the Olympics.

This so much. People please stop with the armchair quarterback comments, or go do it in reddit.

Link me one non-Russian skating insider who doesn't think the result was at least dubious. The score was just ludicrously high relative to Yuna's record and the free-skate performances of Asada/Yuna/Kostner. Consider also she made a very visible mistake on one of her jumps and is just out of the juniors. She wasn't even the best Russian skater coming into this and a judge somehow gave Yuna a 0 for one of her jumps in the short program. It was clearly rigged and I don't even like Yuna that much, more annoyed with how low they scored Asada in the long program relative to the inflated Russians.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
February 21 2014 03:36 GMT
#1378
On February 21 2014 12:26 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 12:13 Cubu wrote:
On February 21 2014 12:09 Eventine wrote:
On February 21 2014 11:59 Canucklehead wrote:
Queen Yuna was robbed!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2014/02/20/winter-olympics-games-sochi-figure-skating-women-yuna-kim-gracie-gold/5643143/


Some of the criticism is probably fair. Personally I have no clue how to judge a figure skating competition, and neither does the majority of people out there.

But quoting Ashley Wagner is disappointing. That girl is nothing but whine and did not even deserve to be at the Olympics.

This so much. People please stop with the armchair quarterback comments, or go do it in reddit.

Link me one non-Russian skating insider who doesn't think the result was at least dubious. The score was just ludicrously high relative to Yuna's record and the free-skate performances of Asada/Yuna/Kostner. Consider also she made a very visible mistake on one of her jumps and is just out of the juniors. She wasn't even the best Russian skater coming into this and a judge somehow gave Yuna a 0 for one of her jumps in the short program. It was clearly rigged and I don't even like Yuna that much, more annoyed with how low they scored Asada in the long program relative to the inflated Russians.


Some bitch gave kim yu na a zero. I mean come on a zero?!!? Even if the judge thinks kim yuna deserves a zero, I wanna hear the fucking reason for it. This is bullshit
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Eventine
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 03:38:02
February 21 2014 03:36 GMT
#1379
On February 21 2014 12:26 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 12:13 Cubu wrote:
On February 21 2014 12:09 Eventine wrote:
On February 21 2014 11:59 Canucklehead wrote:
Queen Yuna was robbed!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2014/02/20/winter-olympics-games-sochi-figure-skating-women-yuna-kim-gracie-gold/5643143/


Some of the criticism is probably fair. Personally I have no clue how to judge a figure skating competition, and neither does the majority of people out there.

But quoting Ashley Wagner is disappointing. That girl is nothing but whine and did not even deserve to be at the Olympics.

This so much. People please stop with the armchair quarterback comments, or go do it in reddit.

Link me one non-Russian skating insider who doesn't think the result was at least dubious. The score was just ludicrously high relative to Yuna's record and the free-skate performances of Asada/Yuna/Kostner. Consider also she made a very visible mistake on one of her jumps and is just out of the juniors. She wasn't even the best Russian skater coming into this and a judge somehow gave Yuna a 0 for one of her jumps in the short program. It was clearly rigged and I don't even like Yuna that much, more annoyed with how low they scored Asada in the long program relative to the inflated Russians.


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/02/yuna-kim-figure-skating-sochi-olympics-controversy/

"Weir alluded to a potential home-ice advantage. But Weir backtracked later, saying he agreed with the podium “100%.” Lipinski said Sotnikova deserved to win because she skated with the most heart. Or did she skate with the most fan support, which gave the impression she had the most heart?​"


Also, link for your the judge giving Yuna a zero?
You are everything, I never knew, I always wanted.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51497 Posts
February 21 2014 03:53 GMT
#1380
Only found a Korean source, don't know if there's an English one out there.
http://news.donga.com/Main/3/all/20140220/61043456/1
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