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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/20/sports/olympics/womens-figure-skating.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1 | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
 Because as someone said thats purely subjective and this is also where the fixing happend Also most of the whiners are only disappointed about yuna but costner was also robbed here | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
On February 21 2014 16:53 PaleMan wrote: good article in NY Times by Team USA Coach explaining why Sotnikova won vs Yuna http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/20/sports/olympics/womens-figure-skating.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1 Yep no explanation of the program again, not surprising at all | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
On February 21 2014 17:01 sharkie wrote: Yep no explanation of the program again, not surprising at all it says Sotnikova has most difficult jump - double axel combined with triple toe near the end of program which brought +10% bonus also she jumped higher and was more speedy doing this? what else do you want? | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
On February 21 2014 14:30 Orcasgt24 wrote: Personally I think every event that doesn't fit the "higher, faster, stronger" mantra shouldn't be in the Olympics. That basically rules out everything judged like Figure Skating. Team based scoring events like curling or soccer can also stay since they are competitive . What about accuracy sports like Shooting and Archery? (Yawn) What about diving?!  Unfortunately, Figure Skating and Gymnastics are giant cash cows. They aren't going to give that up. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
On February 21 2014 17:05 PaleMan wrote: it says Sotnikova has most difficult jump - double axel combined with triple toe near the end of program which brought +10% bonus also she jumped higher and was more speedy doing this? what else do you want? Program = (more or less) artistic expression. Technical = higher / better / speedy The russian girl was very good I thought. That her program got the same points as Kostner's and Yuna's, which were simply outstanding, does not seem right. But Yuna needed to be 5 points better in the program to win, it would have been really close even if Yuna got the (probably deserved) lead here. All I can say is that personally, I will have forgotten the russian girl in two months time. But I won't forget Yuna's name / performance (and Kostner's for that matter, but her technical execution just wasn't high enough to win). anytime soon. So in my subjective, layman world, Yuna was the actual winner. But I don't think the judging was too scandalous. | ||
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Stolat
Poland241 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On February 21 2014 15:29 Judicator wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/20/sports/olympics/womens-figure-skating.html Here's your link Scarecrow. Pretty sketchy that he doesn't mention the whole 74/5 points lumped together under 'skill and artistry' that they ended up basically even on. Whilst I already knew Sotnikova did the harder routine there's 50% of the points unaccounted for whilst this expert quibbles over how the Russian got an extra point or two for harder jumps. I know it's more difficult to analyze the other half of the score but the fact Sotnikova's career best improved from 131.63 to 149.95, whilst making a mistake, just screams judging bias. I'm also baffled how someone caught for corrupt judging can ever be placed on an Olympic panel. | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
gg then | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
On February 21 2014 17:05 PaleMan wrote: it says Sotnikova has most difficult jump - double axel combined with triple toe near the end of program which brought +10% bonus also she jumped higher and was more speedy doing this? what else do you want? Thanks for showing you have no clue about figure skating | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
On February 21 2014 17:39 sharkie wrote: Thanks for showing you have no clue about figure skating i'm trying to explain that Sotnikova won in technical (sport) department all shady dealing happens in program part | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On February 21 2014 17:38 PaleMan wrote: so, basically you are agree that Sotnikova won in sport department? higher, stronger, faster (higher / better / speedy) gg then If this was some sort of pro-skate jumping then yes, but it's figure skating and half the scoring is for stuff like choreography/artistry. She blew a landing and her program wasn't as good as Kostner/Yuna/Asada. It's subjective of course but most non-Russians would agree Sotnikova's score got inflated. | ||
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zeru
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
high risk paid off | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
On February 21 2014 18:00 zeru wrote: She couldve crawled around on the ice for 5 minutes and got gold with those judges  well well well, it looks like Lipnitskaya was robbed of Gold Medal damn you, judges! | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On February 21 2014 17:05 Elurie wrote: What about accuracy sports like Shooting and Archery? (Yawn) What about diving?! Unfortunately, Figure Skating and Gymnastics are giant cash cows. They aren't going to give that up. Archery/Shooting can stay. They are skill competitions. Diving and Gymnastics though definatley can go. Their are more then a few events that can stay that really don't fit the higher faster stronger theme but the main point is I hate events where a 3rd party determines how well you did. | ||
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
On February 21 2014 17:44 Scarecrow wrote: If this was some sort of pro-skate jumping then yes, but it's figure skating and half the scoring is for stuff like choreography/artistry. She blew a landing and her program wasn't as good as Kostner/Yuna/Asada. It's subjective of course but most non-Russians would agree Sotnikova's score got inflated. Sillyness. Jumps have and difficulty has always been important. Sotnikova's score might have gotten a tad high but it's far from a scandal she won. Sotnikova had better jumps and 1 more than Yuna if I remember it right. Edit: The reactions to her gold is what I consider somewhat of a scandal. | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
Making tiny splashes jumping from 10m high while turning is skill! :D | ||
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