@phyre - is a 200m run with a 45 lb plate overhead as stupid as it sounds to me?
Between deadlifting and muscle snatching (90kg PR!) monday and benching yesterday I'm sore in about a million places I haven't felt in ages.
On June 25 2014 14:36 IgnE wrote: You're constant crossfit posting, phyre, led me to this video when I searched what "toes to bar/knees to elbows" meant:
Girl hoping to pull 400 this year.
I will never understand these crossfit "athletes" I'm sorry but if you're that strong and you regularly train crossfit and haven't figured out how to do a muscle up you're just lacking basic body awareness and coordination that I would say is a requirement to define yourself as athletic.
Spent yesterday at an amusement park. All those rollercoasters, loops and dips and spinning and christ I still feel like shit. My body didn't ask for this.
On June 25 2014 14:36 IgnE wrote: You're constant crossfit posting, phyre, led me to this video when I searched what "toes to bar/knees to elbows" meant:
I will never understand these crossfit "athletes" I'm sorry but if you're that strong and you regularly train crossfit and haven't figured out how to do a muscle up you're just lacking basic body awareness and coordination that I would say is a requirement to define yourself as athletic.
It's not as stupid as it sounded when I first read it. Ended up being more of a speedwalk/shuffle for most, light jog for a handful. The distance was short enough that you didn't really notice it so long as you had it locked out and your head through like you're "supposed to" when pressing.
As for the muscle up... Using one lift that's primarily lower body to define strength on another that's much less lower body is silly. Hell I'm "hoping to pull 400" in the next couple months, and I would never expect a muscleup. I've never attempted one, of course I don't have the skills necessary. I will admit that I think single reps of them get too much respect... But the workouts that call for 10 or 15 in a row?
Muscle ups aren't THAT difficult though, and it really isn't silly to look at some strength standards and relate them to others in pursuit of defining a well rounded athlete.
Exactly you've never tried one and are just starting crossfit. This is girl who's deadlift i imagine is well over double body weight, which is going to build some respectable upper back muscle, not to mention strength around her leg/core to help with kipping. She can also do plenty of pull ups and dips. I imagine she does plenty of upper body work and attempts or works on her muscle ups fairly regularly being a hardcore cross fitter. To me it seems that if she has a reasonable amount of coordination she'd be able to put the pieces together.
On June 25 2014 23:09 decafchicken wrote: @phyre - is a 200m run with a 45 lb plate overhead as stupid as it sounds to me?
Between deadlifting and muscle snatching (90kg PR!) monday and benching yesterday I'm sore in about a million places I haven't felt in ages.
On June 25 2014 14:36 IgnE wrote: You're constant crossfit posting, phyre, led me to this video when I searched what "toes to bar/knees to elbows" meant:
I will never understand these crossfit "athletes" I'm sorry but if you're that strong and you regularly train crossfit and haven't figured out how to do a muscle up you're just lacking basic body awareness and coordination that I would say is a requirement to define yourself as athletic.
It's not as stupid as it sounded when I first read it. Ended up being more of a speedwalk/shuffle for most, light jog for a handful. The distance was short enough that you didn't really notice it so long as you had it locked out and your head through like you're "supposed to" when pressing.
As for the muscle up... Using one lift that's primarily lower body to define strength on another that's much less lower body is silly. Hell I'm "hoping to pull 400" in the next couple months, and I would never expect a muscleup. I've never attempted one, of course I don't have the skills necessary. I will admit that I think single reps of them get too much respect... But the workouts that call for 10 or 15 in a row?
It's not that single reps get too much respect, it's that the first one is a pretty big accomplishment.
That's singlehandedly the most frecuent question for me in the crossfit box I go to.
"Why don't you compete with us? Why don't you ever try pullUps? Why do you do them strict style instead of "kipping" style like we do?"
1.- I'm not in this for the competition, I just wanna move and throw big weights around. 2.- I do them when my program tells me to go, I usually warm up with those too. 3.- Cause I rather do them classic style and develop some more strength, than look like a freaking monkey doing them while kicking my legs and all of that.
Good argument? maybe not. Enough for me? Definitely.
Edit: To be fair, in the whole population of the Box I go to, maybe 2-3 people can Outsquat me, and out clean&jerk me (that are around my BW), they also happen to have really, really unsafe technique.
For example, they ALL hate the hookgrip, and I quote "It's unnecessary and painful", after that statement, said person performed a "clean and Jerk", the bar ended on his head. (thank god it wasnt loaded with weight).
The dismissal of hookgrip by most of the crossfitters I meet blows me away. A lot of them don't know what it is, the rest of them are some combination of "it hurts too much" and "i don't need to use that". To be fair even the guy who only coaches the weightlifting club area doesn't make the lifters use it either. Ridiculous.
I struggle daily not to lose my shit at the gym. I had to teach the coach how to teach the jerk the other day because he was having them do jerks over a barbell.
On June 26 2014 02:01 decafchicken wrote: The dismissal of hookgrip by most of the crossfitters I meet blows me away. A lot of them don't know what it is, the rest of them are some combination of "it hurts too much" and "i don't need to use that". To be fair even the guy who only coaches the weightlifting club area doesn't make the lifters use it either. Ridiculous.
I struggle daily not to lose my shit at the gym. I had to teach the coach how to teach the jerk the other day because he was having them do jerks over a barbell.
Yeah, most people are using hookgrips where I am. I would say 90% of the men, and half the women who are competitive. Especially with how taxing most WODs are on the grip/forearms (deadlifts, cleans, snatches, Toes to bar, pullups, muscle ups, kettlebells.... all grip) the idea is "take whatever advantage you can get." The only people not using it are the ones who aren't there with an intent to compete, or to be great athletes, just to get a workout in, be active, maybe lose some weight, etc.
They could definitely use some help teaching the jerk, but they're pretty good about the clean. Most of them seem to treat it more like a faster push press. Was talking to a guy who's probably the best lifter there about it yesterday and even he says he's thinking "get it up fast and high so i can get under it" - I've always approached it exactly the opposite way, I think about getting low as fast as I can. Honestly don't know much about jerk technique though... I should take a video tonight.
On June 26 2014 01:41 funkie wrote: That's singlehandedly the most frecuent question for me in the crossfit box I go to.
"Why don't you compete with us? Why don't you ever try pullUps? Why do you do them strict style instead of "kipping" style like we do?"
1.- I'm not in this for the competition, I just wanna move and throw big weights around. 2.- I do them when my program tells me to go, I usually warm up with those too. 3.- Cause I rather do them classic style and develop some more strength, than look like a freaking monkey doing them while kicking my legs and all of that.
Good argument? maybe not. Enough for me? Definitely.
Edit: To be fair, in the whole population of the Box I go to, maybe 2-3 people can Outsquat me, and out clean&jerk me (that are around my BW), they also happen to have really, really unsafe technique.
For example, they ALL hate the hookgrip, and I quote "It's unnecessary and painful", after that statement, said person performed a "clean and Jerk", the bar ended on his head. (thank god it wasnt loaded with weight).
There are probably a half dozen men at my box squatting in the 400-450# region. Before lifting here, I'd met two individuals in five years of lifting that had more than a 300# squat. For the most part, the technique is solid. The olympic lifting could use more work, but that's probably common among every single person who doesn't compete specifically in olympic lifting. I learned quite quickly that a crossfit kip is all hips and shoulders. There's really no leg kick if you're doing it right. You can't control your body position with a leg kick, so it's incredibly inefficient.
Also, I can get 8-10 strict pullups on a given day, and I can get maybe 9-11 kipping pullups. It makes no difference for me on the first set, but it does on the second and third. I'm doing upper back work pretty much every single day in some variation, so as long as I'm not stupid about it, I think a couple months of kipping won't kill me.
On June 26 2014 00:10 tofucake wrote: It's not that single reps get too much respect, it's that the first one is a pretty big accomplishment.
Yeah, and it's definitely a thing that separates people who have a chance to be competitive and people who don't. It's a big deal to finally get them, but I've seen a mindset (especially online - i've been reading crossfit forums and such for two years now) that people who can do muscle ups are the pinnacle of human athleticism and people who can't are just casuals. Might just be the keyboard warrior showing up in everyone though =p. I think I'm guilty of giving them too much respect as well - I really should just go try some once I get that hollow to arched body position down a little better.
Are your collarbones always bruised? I don't clean that often, and just keeping a bar with 300 or 400 lbs on it in the front rack position for front squatting always leaves me with tender collar bones and pink skin.
Ok guys I have a question about maximum heart rate, since I believe some medication I am taking is lowering mine (there are a few sources saying this might happen with this medication).
I started with cycling like 2 months ago (was out of shape before). Always like 30 minutes, about every 2nd day. I used a pulse monitor, it seems accurate after comparing with counting the heart rate. During the run I will have like 110 pulse on average, at the end mostly 120-130. I think am cycling almost as fast I can. 138 is the most I have ever seen, when I felt I gave all I could.
I am 32 years old, not overweight, so I should have a maximum pulse of 180-190 according to the formulas I found. Unfortunately I dont know what my pulse was before I started taking the medication.
So are there other people that have a pretty low maximum pulse or does every healthy person have a maximum of about 180-190?
On June 26 2014 10:00 Redox wrote: Ok guys I have a question about maximum heart rate, since I believe some medication I am taking is lowering mine (there are a few sources saying this might happen with this medication).
I started with cycling like 2 months ago (was out of shape before). Always like 30 minutes, about every 2nd day. I used a pulse monitor, it seems accurate after comparing with counting the heart rate. During the run I will have like 110 pulse on average, at the end mostly 120-130. I think am cycling almost as fast I can. 138 is the most I have ever seen, when I felt I gave all I could.
I am 32 years old, not overweight, so I should have a maximum pulse of 180-190 according to the formulas I found. Unfortunately I dont know what my pulse was before I started taking the medication.
So are there other people that have a pretty low maximum pulse or does every healthy person have a maximum of about 180-190?
Medications can lower maximum heart rate. Without knowing what medication it is, I can't say anything about the likelihood or the potential mechanism, but it's probably enough to say that it can certainly happen.
Anyway, meds aside despite all your effort and motivation and best attempt to simulate the situation, you're probably not going to get your Heart rate at the gym to quite reach the "OMFG I'm being chased by a bear" rate. Now, that said.... Formulas are good for populations, but individuals are always going to be different. If you've consistently only ever been able to achieve ~140, you might as well just consider that your max number and put your target heart rate at whatever % of that number. Just so long as you're actually giving it a full effort, the math isn't the thing doing the work here. It's not what matters. If a given rate starts to get easier over time, just adjust upwards. NBD.
On June 26 2014 09:35 IgnE wrote: Question for decaf:
Are your collarbones always bruised? I don't clean that often, and just keeping a bar with 300 or 400 lbs on it in the front rack position for front squatting always leaves me with tender collar bones and pink skin.
At this point, I'm quite certain that Decaf's collarbones are no longer bones, and have in fact been forged into actual pieces of steel by the constant pressure applied to them.
On June 26 2014 10:18 phyre112 wrote: At this point, I'm quite certain that Decaf's collarbones are no longer bones, and have in fact been forged into actual pieces of steel by the constant pressure applied to them.
Plot twist: He's actually Wolverine and his bones are made of adamantine.
3/4 of the times I clean the bar I get dizzy. I have no idea why this is, I almost passed out today. It's really tilting as the cleans feel fairly "easy".
Any ideas?
Edit: To vary a bit from lifting videos, Fedor's brother
On June 26 2014 11:19 GoTuNk! wrote: PC & Jerk practice FS 130kgx3x3
3/4 of the times I clean the bar I get dizzy. I have no idea why this is, I almost passed out today. It's really tilting as the cleans feel fairly "easy".
Any ideas?
Edit: To vary a bit from lifting videos, Fedor's brother
Used to happen to me all the time when I would stand up a clean, or when I would kick up the weight for any kind of DB bench, and occasionally on deadlifts that were heavy enough to be triples or lower. I think it was a combination of naturally low blood pressure, the high core pressure from the lift, and dehydration. Now that I take a bunch of caffeine and other stimulants before lifting, and I drink more water it doesn't happen as often. In fact I can't remember the last time it did.
Jesus, pull-ups are so much easier when you're light. I thought all these guys had the strongest fucking backs in the world, the real secret is to spend two weeks shitting your brains out and let all your useless leg muscle atrophy. I am ascending to my final pull-up form
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