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Hey guys, sorry if this is common knowledge but I just wanted to make sure.
Is it normal for people to be able to deadlift a good amount more weight than they squat? For whatever reason I assumed that I was suppose to be able to do both around the same weight but I can deadlift 50lbs more than I can squat. I believe you use more muscles when deadlifting so maybe that is why? I ask because my friend told me he has the opposite problem (he squats more weight than he can deadlift)
If there really is something wrong with that proportion, I may need to crack down and really work on my squats.
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On May 13 2014 08:04 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:
Hey guys, sorry if this is common knowledge but I just wanted to make sure.
Is it normal for people to be able to deadlift a good amount more weight than they squat? For whatever reason I assumed that I was suppose to be able to do both around the same weight but I can deadlift 50lbs more than I can squat. I believe you use more muscles when deadlifting so maybe that is why? I ask because my friend told me he has the opposite problem (he squats more weight than he can deadlift)
If there really is something wrong with that proportion, I may need to crack down and really work on my squats.
It's pretty normal, but also when your lifts aren't near your genetic max it doesn't matter much since it can vary greatly.
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It depends on the person but what you describe is very standard and nothing to be worried about. Generally, folks who can squat more than they can deadlift are a little less common than the inverse.
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Great, thanks a lot for clarifying. I'm definitely working on my squats but the constantly widening gap was making me worried lol.
I wish I could enjoy squats more but my progress has been very incremental at best so I end up feeling a lot happier when its my DL day =P.
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I think I personally deadlift like 70ish more pounds than I squat. But I wish I squat more than I deadlift, it's my favorite lift :D
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I used to deadlift 150 pounds more than my Squat, now its closer to 100 pounds, nothing to worry about.
BP: 127.5kgx3, 135x3, 142.5x3 (PR), 150x1
SQ: 210x1, 190x3x4
almost died on squat, as usual. No knee or back pain, but my legs are killing me, knots everywhere :'(.
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Before i switched to olympic weightlifting my dead lift was a good 70 pounds or so higher than my squat, now it's probably closer to 20-30 since i squat every day now. Haven't deadlifted in aaaages.
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I used to deadlift like 40% more than my squat lol. I think that anyone who squats more than they deadlift at a sub-elite level is likely not squatting for depth.
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Thanks for everyone's input. Its a relief to hear haha. Is there a reason why elite lifters end up having stronger squats?
I may need to look into what Olympic training is. Although I'm not aiming to be a crazy power lifter, I definitely would like to have better squats. Just seems to be quite underwhelming in terms of progress compared to everything else I do. 
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On May 14 2014 00:47 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:Thanks for everyone's input. Its a relief to hear haha. Is there a reason why elite lifters end up having stronger squats? I may need to look into what Olympic training is. Although I'm not aiming to be a crazy power lifter, I definitely would like to have better squats. Just seems to be quite underwhelming in terms of progress compared to everything else I do.
It's not always the case that elite lifters have higher squats, only some of the time. You can't really make any "rules" about why things are the way they are with elite lifters; once you're pulling over 800/900 pounds, you can break rules as you choose lol. For the most part I believe it has to do with leverages, and the frequency with which you can train the squat as opposed to the deadlift.
when decaf says olympic lifting he means he trains specifically for a sport that involves doing the clean and jerk and the snatch for the heaviest weight possible at 1 rep. For people who are already decently strong, the three major components of training for that sport are to do the two competition lifts, to squat, and (usually) to train often. So he squats almost every day. He rarely deadlifts because 1 - its very draining and would limit his ability to do the other lifts as often, 2 - it doesn't have as much carryover to those competition lifts and 3 - it can actually enforce bad motor patterns/habits for doing those lifts and despite the strength gain have some negative results.
If youre not training to be a competitive weightlifter, you won't train like decaf. That's not to say there aren't good ideas and philosophies of weightlifter training that could help other athletes (just like powerlifting, strongman, and bodybuilding all have strengths and weaknesses) it's just that it's not tailored to any other goal.
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That was a really good write up. Thanks Phyre. Its always great learning something new especially since I'm still quite new to all of this.
Yeah, At best I'm a casual lifter who hits the gym for stress relief and to stay healthy. I've been using the strong lifts program since I could barely lift anything 7 months ago lol. Still really good to hear about all the different weight training philosophies because each of them have some good things for me to build on.
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On May 14 2014 02:37 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 00:47 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:Thanks for everyone's input. Its a relief to hear haha. Is there a reason why elite lifters end up having stronger squats? I may need to look into what Olympic training is. Although I'm not aiming to be a crazy power lifter, I definitely would like to have better squats. Just seems to be quite underwhelming in terms of progress compared to everything else I do. It's not always the case that elite lifters have higher squats, only some of the time. You can't really make any "rules" about why things are the way they are with elite lifters; once you're pulling over 800/900 pounds, you can break rules as you choose lol. For the most part I believe it has to do with leverages, and the frequency with which you can train the squat as opposed to the deadlift. when decaf says olympic lifting he means he trains specifically for a sport that involves doing the clean and jerk and the snatch for the heaviest weight possible at 1 rep. For people who are already decently strong, the three major components of training for that sport are to do the two competition lifts, to squat, and (usually) to train often. So he squats almost every day. He rarely deadlifts because 1 - its very draining and would limit his ability to do the other lifts as often, 2 - it doesn't have as much carryover to those competition lifts and 3 - it can actually enforce bad motor patterns/habits for doing those lifts and despite the strength gain have some negative results. If youre not training to be a competitive weightlifter, you won't train like decaf. That's not to say there aren't good ideas and philosophies of weightlifter training that could help other athletes (just like powerlifting, strongman, and bodybuilding all have strengths and weaknesses) it's just that it's not tailored to any other goal.
It's also really good if your goal is to not fit into pants.
As for elite level deadlift vs squat, squats are generally only higher in equipped lifting i believe and in people who are built for squatting vs deadlifting. If you've got short legs and longer torso you'll have an easier time squatting versus someone who's taller with longer limbs (which make deadlifting easier).
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My gym bought bumpers. They must have noticed me ripping mg shoulder to pieces not dropping snatches.
So hype.
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Grats man 
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I've been reading up online but was curious if there are any tips for improving squats through some of your experiences? I've finally made progress (+5lbs) but this took 1.5 months and in total I only squat a horrible 170lbs. I've been doing 4-5 sets of 5 squats but I'm starting to wonder if trying for some higher reps may help progress things forward more. I'll probably give it a try just to see how my body reacts to it but squats have probably been one of the most frustrating exercises for me due to the slower progression haha.
Really curious to hear what little things you guys do to break your plateau.
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On May 14 2014 09:22 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:
I've been reading up online but was curious if there are any tips for improving squats through some of your experiences? I've finally made progress (+5lbs) but this took 1.5 months and in total I only squat a horrible 170lbs. I've been doing 4-5 sets of 5 squats but I'm starting to wonder if trying for some higher reps may help progress things forward more. I'll probably give it a try just to see how my body reacts to it but squats have probably been one of the most frustrating exercises for me due to the slower progression haha.
Really curious to hear what little things you guys do to break your plateau.
Video required.
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On May 14 2014 09:33 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 09:22 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:
I've been reading up online but was curious if there are any tips for improving squats through some of your experiences? I've finally made progress (+5lbs) but this took 1.5 months and in total I only squat a horrible 170lbs. I've been doing 4-5 sets of 5 squats but I'm starting to wonder if trying for some higher reps may help progress things forward more. I'll probably give it a try just to see how my body reacts to it but squats have probably been one of the most frustrating exercises for me due to the slower progression haha.
Really curious to hear what little things you guys do to break your plateau.
Video required.
Yeah, form would be the first place to look. The book "Becoming a Supple Leopard" pretty much rebuilt the way I squat. I actually started all over again with an empty bar, working my way up workout by workout after reading it. It feels completely different and much more stable. When you fight for extra weight or reps with proper technique, you don't feel strain in any crazy places, which felt pretty revolutionary to me, compared to what I was doing before. You pretty much just make the squat or get stuck. I like the safe, stable feeling of knowing that you're using your body right.
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Thanks a lot, I'll definitely take a look at my form then. I go to the gym alone usually but I can probably ask someone to help record me when I do one of my squat sets during my next visit.
I don't really get any strains in weird places but as KaoReal mentioned, its either you make the squat or get stuck. Recently I've just been getting stuck whenever I try pushing the weight up a little. Anyways, I'll take a look at my form first and see if I can make adjustments there first
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So I need to survive untill wednesday. If I do that I will graduate with a 3.7 or 3.8 and internships at E&Y+Deutsche Bank lined up. Studying 90+ hours a week for the last 5 weeks has taken a toll on my lifting, I don't even really get that psyched for it anymore. Kind of feels like everything is less enjoyable when you're chronically tired. Anyone got some tips? I'm really falling apart physically, struggling to stay focussed and write coherently.
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On May 16 2014 02:45 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
So I need to survive untill wednesday. If I do that I will graduate with a 3.7 or 3.8 and internships at E&Y+Deutsche Bank lined up. Studying 90+ hours a week for the last 5 weeks has taken a toll on my lifting, I don't even really get that psyched for it anymore. Kind of feels like everything is less enjoyable when you're chronically tired. Anyone got some tips? I'm really falling apart physically, struggling to stay focussed and write coherently.
Quality over quantity, always. If you're exhausted (mentally or physically), rest or do light workout.
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