EPTTeamliquid Health and Fitness Initiative for 2014 - Page 137
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20168 Posts
In general chiropractor = adjustment. Just putting your joints and shit back in place where they should be. A GOOD chiro will also do soft tissue work and prescribe rehab/exercises to fix the root of the problem (movement patterns, weak/nonactive muscles, posture, etc.) with the goal of seeing you as few times as possible. A BAD chiro will just adjust you and tell you to come back 3x a week for the rest of your life. Most chiros I know are more up to date with sports/lifting related issues. But that's probably because I'm an athlete and weightlifter. A good massage therapist is also an amazing tool, when I see my massage therapist he loosens up all my problem muscles so much that everything pops back into place when I get up lol. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Now as you know I hate stretching, soooo.... Is it common practice to place the bar higher up initially if you're tall or does it simply suck to be you? | ||
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decafchicken
United States20168 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 07 2014 22:55 Osmoses wrote: On the subject of deadlifts I glanced in the mirror the other day while I was warming up and it turns out without even moving any weight I simply can't seem to keep my back straight when I lean down to grab the bar. I'm guessing this is because of tight hamstrings, but I feel like my height is a contributing factor (186cm/~6ft). Now as you know I hate stretching, soooo.... Is it common practice to place the bar higher up initially if you're tall or does it simply suck to be you? It doesn't have anything to do with height, but rather body proportions. Like torso vs leg length and arm length vs height. Have you tried sumo style? If your torso is long and/or your arms are short it can be the solution. Also could just do it conventional with a rounded back. As long as you don't go nuts it is acceptable form, in my opinion. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
I ask about chiros as I'm seriously considering going to school for it but the "alternativeness" makes me a tad anxious, especially when I'm deciding on which school to dump my money into. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 07 2014 23:14 decafchicken wrote: Nope. Work on your mobility, I'm 6'1 and it never really affected me. Not to mention those 6'6-7'0 monsters in strongman that deadlift 1000 pounds. Those guys almost universally lift with rounded back. But fixing your mobility is always a good idea. 195cm and I never had any trouble, but then again my arms are freakishly long. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 07 2014 23:16 mordek wrote: 6'1" and I can put my palms on the ground and I still have tight hamstrings. Not being able to bend over with a straight back to the bar should be a clear sign to you that you need to get over your aversion to mobilization and fix your hamstrings. I ask about chiros as I'm seriously considering going to school for it but the "alternativeness" makes me a tad anxious, especially when I'm deciding on which school to dump my money into. If you are considering going to school for it, you probably know more about it than anyone here. Also as far as I understand many chiropractors are very low on the alternativeness these days, and know a lot about many different areas of conventional medicine, geuss you just have to pick the right school. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On October 07 2014 23:27 Crushinator wrote: Those guys almost universally lift with rounded back. But fixing your mobility is always a good idea. 195cm and I never had any trouble, but then again my arms are freakishly long. 193 cm and no problems here, and i dont think celltech has any issues and he's taller than either of us. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20168 Posts
On October 07 2014 23:16 mordek wrote: 6'1" and I can put my palms on the ground and I still have tight hamstrings. Not being able to bend over with a straight back to the bar should be a clear sign to you that you need to get over your aversion to mobilization and fix your hamstrings. I ask about chiros as I'm seriously considering going to school for it but the "alternativeness" makes me a tad anxious, especially when I'm deciding on which school to dump my money into. Depends on where you go and how you decide to learn/teach it. It's as legitimate as you make it. I've toyed around with the idea of going to chiro school, I could probably get a rugby scholarship at one not too far away. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 08 2014 00:22 phyre112 wrote: 193 cm and no problems here, and i dont think celltech has any issues and he's taller than either of us. Like I said before, it has to do with body proportions rather than height. My proportions make the deadlift and squat relatively easy (long arms and short legs) and bench press relatively hard (long arms). Tallness is not a problem in itself. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On October 08 2014 00:50 decafchicken wrote: Depends on where you go and how you decide to learn/teach it. It's as legitimate as you make it. I've toyed around with the idea of going to chiro school, I could probably get a rugby scholarship at one not too far away. I would definitely want to make it legitimate. I spend enough time reading about stuff in my free time now. I guess I'm having trouble discerning how legitimate the schools want to make it but I suppose it's just a matter of my due diligence at this point. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On October 07 2014 22:54 decafchicken wrote: Same rule for chiros as PTs and MDs. The bad ones are useless and the good ones are amazing. In general chiropractor = adjustment. Just putting your joints and shit back in place where they should be. A GOOD chiro will also do soft tissue work and prescribe rehab/exercises to fix the root of the problem (movement patterns, weak/nonactive muscles, posture, etc.) with the goal of seeing you as few times as possible. A BAD chiro will just adjust you and tell you to come back 3x a week for the rest of your life. Most chiros I know are more up to date with sports/lifting related issues. But that's probably because I'm an athlete and weightlifter. A good massage therapist is also an amazing tool, when I see my massage therapist he loosens up all my problem muscles so much that everything pops back into place when I get up lol. I meant better when it comes to this obviously. If you are you sick you need a doctor, this is for muscle/joint stuff. Morever, a good chiro will let you know if there might be deeper tissue massage (like a vertebra) that requires an x-ray or something he cant diagnose. FWIW, klokov said russians train 8-9 times a week, and get a full body massage after EVERY strength session (that would be m/w/f) You can't deadlift heavy with a straight back, it has nothing to do with mobility. Clean pulls are not deadlifts, I don't get why people are obsessed with the straight backs t.t. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
On October 08 2014 00:22 phyre112 wrote: 193 cm and no problems here, and i dont think celltech has any issues and he's taller than either of us. I'm 196cm or something, you should indeed just stretch your hammies more. Lifting in oly shoes also helps for me. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20168 Posts
On October 08 2014 00:57 mordek wrote: I would definitely want to make it legitimate. I spend enough time reading about stuff in my free time now. I guess I'm having trouble discerning how legitimate the schools want to make it but I suppose it's just a matter of my due diligence at this point. Yeah apparently there's "straights" and "mixers". The straights believe in all the non scientific bullshit and that the root of all disease is caused by spine being out of place or some shit. The other side is basically a physical therapist that does adjustments as well which is becoming much more popular but still has a bit of a bad reputation from the crazies. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
If your lower back ever rounds during a deadlift you are asking for a devastating back injury. If your thoracic spine bends a little while lifting near 1 rep max weights that's probably fine. This is with the caveat that if you can't deadlift over 365 lbs you should probably be focusing on maintaining good form, such that even your thoracic spine isn't rounding very much. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On October 08 2014 09:47 IgnE wrote: If you can't set up properly for a deadlift without a rounded back your mobility is terrible. If your lower back ever rounds during a deadlift you are asking for a devastating back injury. If your thoracic spine bends a little while lifting near 1 rep max weights that's probably fine. This is with the caveat that if you can't deadlift over 365 lbs you should probably be focusing on maintaining good form, such that even your thoracic spine isn't rounding very much. Yeah, what I disagree with everyone is people pretending to deadlift with the entire back straight; that's just not possible with heavy weights. The upper back rounding lets you recruit your lats and abs more (protects the lower back), while also improving leverages (taking more strain off the lower back) I always deadlift with my back "rounded" and I've never had any discomfort. My back has only hurt from heavy back squats. Good rounding: FWIW I don't think about my back curbature, I get my abs as tight as possible, push the floor and then squeeze the glutes. This seems to keep my lower back straight? Would def like to know your opinion on the vids. | ||
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