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On April 20 2014 22:12 Pandemona wrote:
They are the worst team tactically, their only tactic is "give the ball to suarez and lets roll the dice"
Disclaimer - Of course that is not their tactic, but thats what it looks like to the outside. They hardly press for christ sake, just try and pass their way out of the back with players like Sakho and Johnson giving it away for fun.
So bitter!
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On April 21 2014 01:25 Pandemona wrote:
Also im ot saying Mourinho is perfect and does nothing wrong, i know he does, but he hasn't done ANYTHING wrong in England yet since his return. He has moaned about refs like every other manager? What is wrong with that, sometimes it is justified others is not. Yesterday he just lost the league and his unbeaten home record and a chance at an historic double. Also, that game in HIS opinion the referee missed penalty calls for us and theirs was soft. Not easy to swallow when you get a microphoned shoved under your nose at full time xD
Pretty sure if it was me id be suspended by the FA after it!
Sure all managers blame referee's no one calls them out personally. He makes things personal, whatever the though or idea behind it its toxic. This is not pro wrestling where you need to do this shit to get ratings. Play good football more people will appreciate you.
Right now more people tune in after the game then they do during a Chelsea game, I can guarantee you this rubber stamped.
I am not saying Liverpool or United Managers are better at all. When did I say this ? Please dont make bullshit assumptions.
Mourinho is an excellent coach and the best big game tactictician I can think of. But he is terrible at accepting his failures.
He has 0 grace when he loses, none, and the funny thing is its starting to rub off on supporters again aswell.
I said that clubs like Liverpool and United expect a certain level of decency from their managers. These are fanbases with mature traditions that have had major success in the past or the recent present. They can be cunts for plenty of other reasons sure but they dont worship douchebags.
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Meanwhile in the Netherlands: Ajax lose 5-1 in the Cup finals to 'PEC Zwolle' (who?). Sure anything is possible in a knockout system, but 5-1.. Awesome for the PEC staff and players 
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On April 21 2014 02:15 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 01:25 Pandemona wrote:
Also im ot saying Mourinho is perfect and does nothing wrong, i know he does, but he hasn't done ANYTHING wrong in England yet since his return. He has moaned about refs like every other manager? What is wrong with that, sometimes it is justified others is not. Yesterday he just lost the league and his unbeaten home record and a chance at an historic double. Also, that game in HIS opinion the referee missed penalty calls for us and theirs was soft. Not easy to swallow when you get a microphoned shoved under your nose at full time xD
Pretty sure if it was me id be suspended by the FA after it! Sure all managers blame referee's no one calls them out personally. He makes things personal, whatever the though or idea behind it its toxic. This is not pro wrestling where you need to do this shit to get ratings. Play good football more people will appreciate you. Right now more people tune in after the game then they do during a Chelsea game, I can guarantee you this rubber stamped. I am not saying Liverpool or United Managers are better at all. When did I say this ? Please dont make bullshit assumptions. Mourinho is an excellent coach and the best big game tactictician I can think of. But he is terrible at accepting his failures. He has 0 grace when he loses, none, and the funny thing is its starting to rub off on supporters again aswell. I said that clubs like Liverpool and United expect a certain level of decency from their managers. These are fanbases with mature traditions that have had major success in the past or the recent present. They can be cunts for plenty of other reasons sure but they dont worship douchebags.
I guess it's personal i think, and of course not saying my view is right as i am going to side with him more than anyone else 
Also though, isn't Chelsea playing good football now? I mean this season we have passed and moved a lot better and still can keep more possession than top teams. Guess we do play bit to much counter attack in the big games. I don't know xD
Can't see many managers having grace when they lose but i guess i'll just accept your opinion it hard to change it Maybe when he manages a club you like it might change :D
On another note, you don't know how pissed and emo i'd be if i wasn't having the World Cup in BRAZIL!! To look forward to xD
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Benfica won the PT championship.
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On April 21 2014 03:55 warding wrote:
Benfica won the PT championship.
Congrats. You guys better win against Juventus
Fenerbahce won the TR championship :<
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On April 21 2014 03:45 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 02:15 Rebs wrote:On April 21 2014 01:25 Pandemona wrote:
Also im ot saying Mourinho is perfect and does nothing wrong, i know he does, but he hasn't done ANYTHING wrong in England yet since his return. He has moaned about refs like every other manager? What is wrong with that, sometimes it is justified others is not. Yesterday he just lost the league and his unbeaten home record and a chance at an historic double. Also, that game in HIS opinion the referee missed penalty calls for us and theirs was soft. Not easy to swallow when you get a microphoned shoved under your nose at full time xD
Pretty sure if it was me id be suspended by the FA after it! Sure all managers blame referee's no one calls them out personally. He makes things personal, whatever the though or idea behind it its toxic. This is not pro wrestling where you need to do this shit to get ratings. Play good football more people will appreciate you. Right now more people tune in after the game then they do during a Chelsea game, I can guarantee you this rubber stamped. I am not saying Liverpool or United Managers are better at all. When did I say this ? Please dont make bullshit assumptions. Mourinho is an excellent coach and the best big game tactictician I can think of. But he is terrible at accepting his failures. He has 0 grace when he loses, none, and the funny thing is its starting to rub off on supporters again aswell. I said that clubs like Liverpool and United expect a certain level of decency from their managers. These are fanbases with mature traditions that have had major success in the past or the recent present. They can be cunts for plenty of other reasons sure but they dont worship douchebags. I guess it's personal i think, and of course not saying my view is right as i am going to side with him more than anyone else Also though, isn't Chelsea playing good football now? I mean this season we have passed and moved a lot better and still can keep more possession than top teams. Guess we do play bit to much counter attack in the big games. I don't know xD Can't see many managers having grace when they lose but i guess i'll just accept your opinion it hard to change it Maybe when he manages a club you like it might change :D
On another note, you don't know how pissed and emo i'd be if i wasn't having the World Cup in BRAZIL!! To look forward to xD
I think 98% of the rage and anger and blaming the ref is calculated. Especially Mourinho is a master with this tactics to take pressure off the team. You cant tell me that guys that are this good at their jobs ranomly rage. Mou with his constant conspiracies, Pep with his "philosophical" approach or Klopp and his "omg we lost 0:4 but we are so awsome!!!!!! for... reasons" in my opinion all of this is to keep the media (and fans) in the right distance.
They all hate losing like every pro but they are too good at their jobs to let things like this randomly happen and to be not prepared mentally.
But still they are humans like everyone and things like this can happen:
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wow, great definition from Aduriz. Awesome Athletic Bilbao Season this year too.
Barcelona loosing 1-0 already.
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Forgot what it felt like to win a game.
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What happened in the Netherlands? Ajax lost the cup final to the PEC Zwolle, the 9th place Eredivisie team 5-1...
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Another insipid limp display by United today. It's hard to see how Moyes can remain past this season. The players don't seem interested in playing for him anymore.
The powers that be at United have really bungled this season. Moyes is obviously a mistake (and one that many people saw coming) but also I think Rooney's contract will prove to be absolutely disastrous, more so then Moyes perhaps. He's nowhere near good enough for 300k/week and he'll be unsellable now. On top of that they bought Mata who essentially plays the same position as Rooney. I think United is at serious risk of being in the wilderness for a prolonged spell if they don't change course this Summer.
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On April 20 2014 22:12 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2014 17:58 Twisted wrote:
Considering that Liverpool plays the most beautiful (and best) football in the league and the fact that it's a huge underdog story I can't see why people are so much against Liverpool winning the league... must be an English thing. Has to be said mr Twisted, for someone who complains that their is tactical inept in the Premier League your backing the team who has no back 4 and keeper....who has had i think 1 clean sheet all season? Cannot defend a set piece for toffee and win through having the best inform striker in the world, backed up by a guy who can score tappins and an 18 year old who is lightning quick it puts people on their ass's for fun. They are the worst team tactically, their only tactic is "give the ball to suarez and lets roll the dice" Disclaimer - Of course that is not their tactic, but thats what it looks like to the outside. They hardly press for christ sake, just try and pass their way out of the back with players like Sakho and Johnson giving it away for fun.
I guess, being drunk off my rocker right now, I still have to respond because I read this earlier on my phone, but was in the city drinking and watching the Ajax game and drinking after, so here I am!
I have said time and time again that I do think that the PL is tactically inept, and they are. It's mostly kick and rush, no matter the talent in the teams. There's just a few teams that differ from this approach, and from the top teams, Liverpool is pretty much the only one (and Arsenal I guess, but Liverpool does it better). The way they build up from the back is a very Dutch approach actually. Your argument that the defense is bad is just because they have played fucking Kolo Touré in the back and their other defenders aren't on the level of say.. for example Chelsea's defenders. They go with what they've got. Considering the difference in squad between Liverpool and Chelsea/Man C they should lose the title race. The only reason Liverpool is winning is because they're a better team and they're playing better tactically.
Again, you're claiming Liverpool has bad tactics because they have a bad back 4 and a bad goalkeeper. What the flying fuck has that got do with tactics?!? That's just quality of players and it actually speaks to the tactics that Liverpool are employing. If they can win games and keep a slight advantage, with the low quality defenders/goalkeeper they have, then tactically they're amazing.
tl;dr: PL is tactially inept but Brendan Rogers is a bright shining beacon in a big puddle of kick and rush and Mourinho park-the-bus style. The reason Chelsea is doing bad against small teams is that they have no idea what to do against a team that parks the bus against them. This is also why I predict Atletico Madrid to run all over Chelsea..
On April 20 2014 23:29 Pandemona wrote:
Mourhino contributed to the permier league alot already. He has boosted viewing figures and attraction with the way he acted when he first joined Chelsea in 2005. This is fact, he made the premier league exciting (or even more so) he helped with that thanks to the way he was and the rivalries he had. No im saying Fergie wasn't all that nice to anyone he didn't like either.
See again you take the wrong point from what Mourinho said after the game, what he said was. I want to thank my team for their efforts and "CONGRATULATIONS TO SUNDERLAND" he said well done to them, then he mentioned how shite the referee was. Also you do not know the conversations Mike Rilley has had with Mourinho this season thus you cannot comment on when he directly points a finger at him!
Admirable to have a leaky defense yet the "premier league" gets labelled as a league with no tactical prowess anymore? I think somewhere something has gone wrong with the postings of people. One minute it's there is no tactics, next minute Liverpool are tactically sound what? They are far from it, they got picked apart by Villa for playing 4-4-2 and Rodgers spent a good 40 minutes of being pounded on the counter until he changed it that is NOT good management. That game i remember as i had 2 Liverpool fans spamming skype with the same shit of "WHY HASNT HE CHANGED IT WTF".
Rodgers tactics are to keep the ball and play like he was doing at Swansea, which the last few games to highlight this, they cannot do with the defense they have. Sakho and Johnson giving the ball away and a LB who is to new to the game and a bit of a loose cannon at times.
When Chelsea won the league with 100 goals in 2010 we had a decent defensive record but not the best, but what we had then was the ability to score goals and big when we needed to. We started that season with 4 6-0s in a row. Conceded though just shy of 0.9 goal a game so...not the best ;_;
Liverpool are about to win it with what probably eventually, close to 1.4/1.5 goals a game so they might score alot but they cant defend ;_;
That is far from the Liverpool who were tactically sound under Rafa, the problem with Rafa's Liverpool was he made to many squad rotations with a weak squad. But he knew that and was making a point to the owners at the time im sure that he wanted more money for a bigger squad.
Of course Mourinho attracts viewers. The majority population (not TL posters) are rather dumb in comparison (I'm blunt but I'm pretty drunk) and they love a bit of drama on tv. This is also the reason why reality tv like Jersey Shore is really popular for some reason, while it's some dumb drunk idiots doing stupid shit on tv. This is pretty much Mourinho. He's a complete scumbag calling out everyone and making jokes, being the 'popular kid'. It's like fucking kindergarten (or US highschool). The big bully bullying the shy kids and then the shy kids go to college and the bully lands a job at fucking MCDonalds. Obviously Mourinho is pretty good at big matches and focusing on certain opponents, but his demeanor in the press is fuckiing embarrassing. I wouldn't ever want him to be the head coach of my team. That calling out of Wenger being a failer? That's not funny, that's ridiculous. Here comes the big bully with the big club with all the mony in the world calling out the only club in the PL that actually plays somewhat 'fair' when it comes to transfers. If Wenger had the resources that Mourinho has at his disposal, he would've won a lot more prizes in the last 8 years. And it would be sweet justice if he doesn't win anything this year and Arsenal wins the FA Cup. I know being a Chelsea fan you kind of have to defend Mourhinho, but honestly, I would be fucking embarrased having that smug idiot as my head coach.
You've got Liverpool fans screaming about stuff they don't understand. Brendan Rogers is committed to one system that all the playrs are comfortable with. They don't change their whole tactical setup every game. This is the same thign with Ajax every time they get into a slump. Opportunistic fans are screaming that shit needs to change and they have to buy players, while Frank de Boer and Marc Overmars are staying calm, saying that it'll turn around as long as they're playing their system, and guess what, they are becoming champions for the 4th time in a row. Also, when a team like Ajax, who have good positional play, like Liverpool, can beat Man City, a club with a budget 7-8 times bigger over 2 matches, it has everything to do with tactics. Same shit with Liverpool owning the PL right now. THey simply play better tactically. You're claiming that they don't have the defenders to play possession football, but they keep winning. The winning coach is always right.
Liverpool has 2 exceptional players. Gerrard and Suarez. They have some good players to fill it up. But the entire team looks good when everything is automatic and everyone knows what to do. Playing in one system and palying that style every game makes every player on the team better because it gives them more confidence and they always have their positional play to fall back on when things aren't going their way.
On April 21 2014 01:25 Pandemona wrote:
Yanited's manager.... ;_;
Every manager does this....why flag Mourinho up on it?
Also im ot saying Mourinho is perfect and does nothing wrong, i know he does, but he hasn't done ANYTHING wrong in England yet since his return. He has moaned about refs like every other manager? What is wrong with that, sometimes it is justified others is not. Yesterday he just lost the league and his unbeaten home record and a chance at an historic double. Also, that game in HIS opinion the referee missed penalty calls for us and theirs was soft. Not easy to swallow when you get a microphoned shoved under your nose at full time xD
Pretty sure if it was me id be suspended by the FA after it!
Mourinho consistently whines about referees or does so in a passive aggressive manner or otherwise cynical way. You're saying he congratulated Sunderland.. I haven't seen the press conference or w/e, but from what I've read in the Dutch football websites, it was cynical as fuck. Like Sunderland didn't deserve to win. And also, from what I've read, Ramires should've gotten a red card. Obviously no word about that from Mourinho.
That moron is a disgrace in the football world. Honestly you'd be better of if you kept Di Matteo. He's hurting every clubs' reputation beyond repair with his antics when he becomes head coach. I didn't even mind Chelsea all that much until Mourinho joined the club.
Oh yeah and agree with anything Rebs says as usual.
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So Man U is no longer in the champions league, the locker room is in disarray, what's next for the board?
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CL hasn't been realistic in a while
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On April 21 2014 08:13 Pantagruel wrote:
Another insipid limp display by United today. It's hard to see how Moyes can remain past this season. The players don't seem interested in playing for him anymore.
The powers that be at United have really bungled this season. Moyes is obviously a mistake (and one that many people saw coming) but also I think Rooney's contract will prove to be absolutely disastrous, more so then Moyes perhaps. He's nowhere near good enough for 300k/week and he'll be unsellable now. On top of that they bought Mata who essentially plays the same position as Rooney. I think United is at serious risk of being in the wilderness for a prolonged spell if they don't change course this Summer.
I think buying mata was the worst decision of manutd this season
really there was zero reason to do that, hes going to be another torres
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yeah mata was a terrible buy. hes a great player but theres just no room for him. only solution now is to sell rvp and put rooney at the front while rotating with hernandez
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On April 21 2014 12:31 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 08:13 Pantagruel wrote:
Another insipid limp display by United today. It's hard to see how Moyes can remain past this season. The players don't seem interested in playing for him anymore.
The powers that be at United have really bungled this season. Moyes is obviously a mistake (and one that many people saw coming) but also I think Rooney's contract will prove to be absolutely disastrous, more so then Moyes perhaps. He's nowhere near good enough for 300k/week and he'll be unsellable now. On top of that they bought Mata who essentially plays the same position as Rooney. I think United is at serious risk of being in the wilderness for a prolonged spell if they don't change course this Summer. I think buying mata was the worst decision of manutd this season really there was zero reason to do that, hes going to be another torres
I doubt he will win 2 European trophies and an FA cup in his first 2 full seasons at Utd.
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On April 21 2014 03:55 warding wrote:
Benfica won the PT championship.
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