EPT2013 - 2014 Football Thread - Page 248
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Republic of Ireland manager Giovanni Trapottoni leaves his role by Mutual Consent | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On September 11 2013 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: Don't worry, the Chelsea youth is doing pretty well in the Netherlands right now at Chelsea 2.0 (Vitesse) LOL! Yeah forgot about that  We have like 2 youth teams ftw  | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/premature-call-ups-creating-generation-gap-england | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Good article | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTmu6J5CMAA5Ifv.jpg) | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
The reason is simple : their A teams are so fucking good that they don't need to inject fresh blood! And when they do, these young players profit from a very tactically mature team and they have almost no pressure on them compared to fail teams like France or England. These two teams also rely on a team with 90% or more of the players coming from just 1 or 2 clubs, so they all know each other pretty well and it's a lot easier. And finally I believe that England clearly lacks talent. Even the 'promising' players don't look so good to me... They have more talent than the French youngster at least, but still not enough to compete against the best teams in the world. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On September 11 2013 21:35 WillyWanker wrote: The article was good but I disagree with their view on why Spain and Germany give young players more time to grow. The reason is simple : their A teams are so fucking good that they don't need to inject fresh blood! And when they do, these young players profit from a very tactically mature team and they have almost no pressure on them compared to fail teams like France or England. These two teams also rely on a team with 90% or more of the players coming from just 1 or 2 clubs, so they all know each other pretty well and it's a lot easier. And finally I believe that England clearly lacks talent. Even the 'promising' players don't look so good to me... They have more talent than the French youngster at least, but still not enough to compete against the best teams in the world. A big reason are the numbers of foreigners playing in the leagues and in important matches. Guys like Kroos, Özil, Müller or Khedira didn´t just made the roster, they played a lot very early in their careers. There is just nothing that can replicate the pressure situation of an important game. Look at guys like Danny Welbeck, Tom Cleverley or Jack Whilshere. They are good, young players but the most important game they played were Whilshere with a CL quarterfinal 2011. And then look at German guys like Thomas Müller. He played 1 World Cup (won the scorer trophy), 1 European Championship, played 48 international club games including 3 (!!!!!) CL finals. And by the way he is 23 Years old. 23! This kind of experience for such young players are just invaluable. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
We could do well copying the Dutch or even the Spanish model (where they have a restriction on outside of EU players). | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On September 11 2013 21:35 WillyWanker wrote: The article was good but I disagree with their view on why Spain and Germany give young players more time to grow. The reason is simple : their A teams are so fucking good that they don't need to inject fresh blood! And when they do, these young players profit from a very tactically mature team and they have almost no pressure on them compared to fail teams like France or England. These two teams also rely on a team with 90% or more of the players coming from just 1 or 2 clubs, so they all know each other pretty well and it's a lot easier. And finally I believe that England clearly lacks talent. Even the 'promising' players don't look so good to me... They have more talent than the French youngster at least, but still not enough to compete against the best teams in the world. Germany has only recently been so good. During their childhoods, teens the Germany A team was really really bad. Calling up young players is always the coaches' decision. Klinsmann and Loew back in 2006+ did the right decision and gave the youth its chance. England's problem is also (I think) is that the Premier League and English football in general is very physical. So young players like Wilshere get injured easily and this stops their growth. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On September 11 2013 13:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Wow there are already calls for Tena to resign. I would like to say he was only there for the US game but Mexican Federation is pretty awful so i dunno. Honestly chepo did so much damage to the team that the whole staff should get gutted and hope for the best with whoever they pick for the remainder of the qualifiers. | ||
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
UEFA Youth League rules: Players must be born on or after 1 January 1995. No club may have more than 20 players on the list before a match. As a minimum ten places on the list are reserved exclusively for players who have been eligible to play for the club concerned for an uninterrupted two-year period directly prior to the start of the competition. A player may not play in the competition for more than one club in the course of the same season. Any player who is fielded in three or more UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League matches (as of the group stages of those competitions) in the course of the 2013/14 season ceases to be eligible to play in the UEFA Youth League. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On September 12 2013 01:10 sharkie wrote: Germany has only recently been so good. During their childhoods, teens the Germany A team was really really bad. Calling up young players is always the coaches' decision. Klinsmann and Loew back in 2006+ did the right decision and gave the youth its chance. England's problem is also (I think) is that the Premier League and English football in general is very physical. So young players like Wilshere get injured easily and this stops their growth. It started earlier than 2006 it was after the horrible championsips in the early 2000 when the german association started to spend a lot of money on the youth and did things like forcing the clubs to have youth centers and residential schools. I think a part of the problem is that the english transfer market is massivly overheated. Jürgen Klopp (coach of Borussia Dortmund) made a statment that basicly sayed "The English league spend 700 MIllion this year and i dont know 80% of the players". Klopp might not be an expert of the Premier League but i am pretty sure he is watching a lot of football. An example: Besides Dotmund and Bayern Munich, which are just miles ahead the top 3 Transfers moneywise were Luiz Gustavo --> Wolfsburg --> 17.5 Million Heung-Min Son --> Leverkusen --> 10.0 Million Kevin-Prinze Boateng --> Schalke --> 10.0 Million Both Gustavo and Son were the most expensive transfers (buying) in club history. Just to put it into perspective Leverkusen were 3. last season and the only team in Germany that were ablo to beat Bayern Munich last season. Or another example the 2 teams promoted from the second league (Berlin and Braunschweig) spend 2.4 Million €. Combined. Cardif and Hull spend 52.000.000 €. You are a 18 year old english talent? Well sorry dude you could be very good but i cant give you playing time because the club spend 15 Million on this random guy over there and i will lose my job if i let you play instead of him. A lot of Talent that germany has right now comes from the clubs were the good, young players were able to get playing time without the pressure of beeing better than the 20 Million new guy. Özil (Bremen), Khedira (Stutgart), Schürle (Leverkusen) Götze, Reus (Dortmund) They all are insanely good today because they were allowed to make mistakes without beeing feard of "play entertaining perfect and be good at commercials or we will replace you with a 10 Million random guy in the next transfer period" | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
He must really really love playing football but someone need to slip a chill pill in his coffee cause he's gonna be either injured or dead tired by the end of the season again. | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
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mavignon
France369 Posts
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Craze
United States561 Posts
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PixelNite
France1008 Posts
On September 12 2013 05:33 mavignon wrote: What I don't understand is that France about 8 - 15 years ago was the best team in the world. France 2000 is probably one of the best teams in history of football. The french formation model was hailed as the best in the world, and iirc the germans took a few pointers from us to overhaul their system. What has changed? How come we are so trash now? It doesn't make sense to me. Well the most important thing is the generation. Desailly, Thuram, Lizarazu, Deschamps, Petit, Vieira, Zidane, Henry, Trezeguet; it was just unreal. We still have good players, and 1 or 2 amazing potentials, but it's nothing compared to what France 98-00 was. I also feel like this generation was so good, it created a gap we never filled. When Germany and Italy were conceiving projects with key players and younger ones, with a solid and respected staff; France, through FFF and the several managers we had since 05 did absolutely nothing. The last thing I believe is the formation, and it's something french clubs and FFF just started working on. It's been 10 years now, the only players we are "producing" are defensive midfielders. No 10, no 9, no wingers. Our best player, Ribéry, isn't even a product of "our" formation. Just a kid who was rejected from Lille, and played in Ligue 2 / National at his begginings. I guess we will have to wait a few years before seeing what kind of players we can get with the new rules FFF set. Meanwhile we are just going to suffer but still be a respectable team because we have one hell of a talent pool | ||
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