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NBA Offseason 2013 - Page 61
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RowdierBob
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beesinyoface
2450 Posts
"How will Greg Monroe handle the shift to defending power forwards with extended range? If the numbers are any indication, he'll not only handle it well, he'll excel. According to Synergy Sports, Monroe is ranked 17th in the league (regardless of position) in defending spot-up perimeter shots including long twos and three-point attempts. Synergy has tracked 87 spot-up attempts against Monroe this season, and he's allowed 31.1% inside the three point line and 26.9% beyond. These marks are better than a "who's who" of defensively-acclaimed big men, making him a virtual stopper when the opposing team employs a stretch shooting big man." Plus, with him and Drummond (who has been getting coached recently) and the defense is going to be pretty damn solid for a team that went 29-53 last year. I think people still have this super high expectation that we should be REALLY GOOD right now instead of gradually getting there with some solid players. | ||
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RowdierBob
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
^Those Synergy numbers were from January, btw. The more recent numbers are not so pretty, except on PnR's. I think his allowed FG% is like 44%, and 41% from 3. I think people still have this super high expectation that we should be REALLY GOOD right now instead of gradually getting there with some solid players. See, this is the argument for not signing Jennings. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
ETA: The only aspect Synergy has graded where Monroe is getting absolutely torched is Post Up Defense. I don't see how you can extrapolate that to being bad defensively. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I'm pretty skeptical of ASPM, especially over just a season. EDIT: The Synergy stat only covers individual defense (you can see Larry Sanders is like #120 or something,) he's also a bad help defender. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Synergy doesn't show him as a terrible defender except in Post Ups. Add in Sanders, Bosh, and Duncan and look at their awesome defensive numbers then look at Monroe's rows. Then check his numbers in any APM based stat. He is not a terrible defender at all and not even below average. If you're skeptical - use RAPM which takes prior seasons into account. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
There's the Sloan paper. Monroe was 50th (out of 52) at FG% when opponent was close to basket, and 44th in FG% of opponent when he was within 5ft. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Also went digging around looking for non-box score based Plus-Minus so it doesn't give Monroe credit for grabbing rebounds. This is all I could find on "real" RAPM which shows Monroe as horrible defensively. Sadly it only went up to March 30th but that should be enough possessions to get his defensive impact. I'll try to find another one or hope this guy updates it or adds an NPI list. https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2013-rapm-non-prior-informed-updated-march-30 | ||
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beesinyoface
2450 Posts
He has some glaring issues that need to get fixed, and from what I've seen/read he's already started to fix his shit during summer league games. Yeah, I know it's summer league but it's still a start in the right direction. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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beesinyoface
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Without him honestly I don't think we would have even got Smith, but then again I'm not too sure. Either way, I'm super excited for the season to start and watch some games ^^ | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 31 2013 16:34 RowdierBob wrote: What do those RAPM numbers represent, Ace? Is Miami's offence 5.1 points better with LeBron on the court, for example? In essence yes. It really means surrounded by average teammates he is +5.1 points better offensively than an average player surrounded by average teammates (average players are set to 0.0). That's why it takes so long for these numbers to come out since you can have situations where say Lebron + Bosh play a ton of minutes together and RAPM has difficulty separating the impact. So they take last year's RAPM and this year's and try to find a solid number. Basically if you see RAPM values for a guy move a lot in consecutive years and he isn't injured, new team,/line up, or nothing drastic happened you usually can say "oh shit, this guy is gonna struggle" or "uh oh, he put it together"and be correct. This site is box-score based RAPM if I remember correctly, which is less ideal than "normal" but go through the years. Look at some of the RAPM values and try to remember public perception of some players. You'd be surprised at how good/bad some guys really are based on it. http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9521103/the-nba-midnight-run-part-1 "Hey, nothing personal, Jack, but f--- off." To Chris Paul, who basically told the Clippers that after they squashed the first incarnation of their Doc Rivers trade. Chris didn't like that. He let them know he was heading to Houston to team up with Dwight. And he wasn't kidding. For about 36 hours, Morey probably felt like all 11 guys in Ocean's Eleven. You know what happened next: The Clippers blinked, the Doc trade got revived and finished, and the Clippers were offering Chris 107 million reasons to play for him. Crisis averted. The lesson, as always: Chris Paul runs the Clippers. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Paul gets it so much that I would question if those claims are even wholly true. I wouldn't question that he said that to the Clippers organization. But I would question how serious he was about it. It's like if Dwight Howard said it, there was no question it is what he meant. But CP3 might have said it just to bluff Sterling, knowing he will really only be in this position once in his career. Once again, what is surprising about this year's Clippers and the Doc Rivers trade is how much Donald Sterling is willing to spend on what seems like a contending team. But even considering this, Sterling deserves no credit for putting this Clippers team together. All he did was draft Blake Griffin, which every owner in his position would have done. And then CP3 pretty much fell into his lap (thanks to Stern pretty much making it the only destination possible). He gets no credit for giving them the max-contract b/c any owner would do that. There was just pretty much no way he could screw this up, even after letting Olshey leave to go to Portland. Only way he could have screwed this up is if he pulled something like the Elton Brand and Baron Davis thing he did years ago. For those who don't know the story, he persuaded Brand to take a paycut so they could sign Davis with excuses like they didn't have enough money, etc. Then Brand found out it was all baloney, got mad, let Davis sign and booked it to Chicago. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 01 2013 04:57 MassHysteria wrote: Meh, all that really shows me is how much smarter Chris Paul is than Dwight Howard =P ...He just knew he had all the leverage and used it to get the coach he wanted. One that would make his whole team better (non-selfish way). Paul gets it so much that I would question if those claims are even wholly true. I wouldn't question that he said that to the Clippers organization. But I would question how serious he was about it. It's like if Dwight Howard said it, there was no question it is what he meant. But CP3 might have said it just to bluff Sterling, knowing he will really only be in this position once in his career. Once again, what is surprising about this year's Clippers and the Doc Rivers trade is how much Donald Sterling is willing to spend on what seems like a contending team. But even considering this, Sterling deserves no credit for putting this Clippers team together. All he did was draft Blake Griffin, which every owner in his position would have done. And then CP3 pretty much fell into his lap (thanks to Stern pretty much making it the only destination possible). He gets no credit for giving them the max-contract b/c any owner would do that. There was just pretty much no way he could screw this up, even after letting Olshey leave to go to Portland. Only way he could have screwed this up is if he pulled something like the Elton Brand and Baron Davis thing he did years ago. For those who don't know the story, he persuaded Brand to take a paycut so they could sign Davis with excuses like they didn't have enough money, etc. Then Brand found out it was all baloney, got mad, let Davis sign and booked it to Chicago. Good god I remember that debacle. The entire internet nearly raged at how that went down. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 01 2013 04:57 MassHysteria wrote: Meh, all that really shows me is how much smarter Chris Paul is than Dwight Howard =P ...He just knew he had all the leverage and used it to get the coach he wanted. One that would make his whole team better (non-selfish way). Paul gets it so much that I would question if those claims are even wholly true. I wouldn't question that he said that to the Clippers organization. But I would question how serious he was about it. It's like if Dwight Howard said it, there was no question it is what he meant. But CP3 might have said it just to bluff Sterling, knowing he will really only be in this position once in his career. Once again, what is surprising about this year's Clippers and the Doc Rivers trade is how much Donald Sterling is willing to spend on what seems like a contending team. But even considering this, Sterling deserves no credit for putting this Clippers team together. All he did was draft Blake Griffin, which every owner in his position would have done. And then CP3 pretty much fell into his lap (thanks to Stern pretty much making it the only destination possible). He gets no credit for giving them the max-contract b/c any owner would do that. There was just pretty much no way he could screw this up, even after letting Olshey leave to go to Portland. Only way he could have screwed this up is if he pulled something like the Elton Brand and Baron Davis thing he did years ago. For those who don't know the story, he persuaded Brand to take a paycut so they could sign Davis with excuses like they didn't have enough money, etc. Then Brand found out it was all baloney, got mad, let Davis sign and booked it to Chicago. The difference is I think that D12 had much more issues than just who the coach was. Conflict with Kobe, and even things like the amount of attention his performance was getting that couldn't really be fixed by the Lakers org anyway. A CP3/Harden/D12 Rockets team would be hella scary, wish that trade would have been pulled off. | ||
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