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On May 10 2013 01:06 Flaccid wrote: And: ![[image loading]](http://i.minus.com/ibqIqyfbMc2Y5S.gif) lolnucks Nothing says #lolnucks like kesler tripping a guy after a series clinching goal. I have been a canucks fan my whole life thanks to geography, but they play an unwatchably boring style of hockey. | ||
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jakethesnake
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On May 10 2013 11:44 StarStruck wrote: Ouch, you moved to Ottawa for work purposes? I did. I actually like it here though. I realize it isn't the greatest city in the world, but coming from Northwestern Ontario makes it look like paradise  | ||
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QuanticHawk
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Tavares, he is absolutely vital to the Isles. They don't even sniff the playoffs without him. He makes everyone on the ice with him that much better. I'd honestly pick him over the others. Tavares got a team most projected to be last in the Atlantic to the playoffs. Ov is a top 5 player whose team, which is pretty good and plays in an awful division, would have barely made the playoffs if it wasnt for the stupid division winner rule. Sid should win most outstanding player htough. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 10 2013 23:55 Kyhron wrote: Well the Hart nominations are an absolute joke IMO. Crosby apparently is an MVP for being out a third of the season and his team not noticing, Ovi I actually get since he got hot and the Caps followed suit, then Tavares which I dont know that much about but he didnt seem that vital to the Isles in the games I saw. I just think its rather ridiculous no one from the West got nominated at all. East Coast bias is too strong I guess This, and I don't think the bias is just east coast-related. It's pretty obvious that certain names and certain positions get more favor in this voting. Absolutely terrible picks for the finalists. So the Wild got completely stomped last night, which isn't too much of a surprise, but I'm cautiously optimistic about the future; we have a ton of talent (especially young talent), and we have the pieces to build around. Parise/Sutter/Koivu is a great trio to build around and we have so much young talent (Scandella/Brodin/Granlund/Kuemper/on and on and on) that this club should just keep getting better. I'm cautious though because there are no excuses for the month of April and the first two games of this series. So little fight, so little hustle, just so little effort that isn't indicative of how we do things up here. Not only that, scoring only 7 goals in 5 playoff games and going 0/17 on the power play is disturbing. That kind of under-production, especially from the star power (1 point for Parise in the series, I think 0 for Koivu) is a little scary. I think that the Wild have the talent to go the way of the Hawks (invest in 07, compete in 2010), but I think the coaching is a hindrance. Yeo is a great guy, but he doesn't seem willing to really see the brutal truth of the problems with the team, and he doesn't seem like he's capable of being creative or flexible, especially mid-game. When you're 0/15 on the power play, you don't just keep doing the same exact thing and hope it works this time. There's talk about him being replaced, and I really do think it's warranted; we need a guy that is 1) creative and 2) can really light a fire under the players and inspire them to actually fight every game so we don't limp into the playoffs on life support. | ||
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Kyhron
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On May 11 2013 00:00 Flaccid wrote: 'East coast bias' has been a conspiracy theory for some time. Now that we have a season where no teams from the west competed in the east, we're getting a pretty good example of what games the voting parties actually watch and it's kind of depressing. Time to dust off my tinfoil hat as it looks like I'm gonna need it. Its really depressing. I could think of half a dozen west coast players that deserve to be nominated more than Crosby or Tavares. In all seriousness how the hell does Crosby miss what a third? if not more of the season the Pens continue to dominate the East without him and still get nominated. Clearly hes not that VALUABLE to the Pens if their record didnt suffer much if at all without him. It kinda sickens me not even a "token" West player was nominated but nope gotta nominate 2 people that didnt show up or play for large chunks of the season and Tavares who really isnt that vital to the Isles from what some of my friends have told me | ||
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Flaccid
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If the Leafs win a game, JimmyJRaynor will once again close his eyes, jump in this thread, and blindly spray stale ejaculate all over it. Then, while Fleury still rides the pine and the Leafs eventually regress to reality, he will once again vanish. Also, I will lay 32 predictions for who will win the superbowl this upcoming season in various threads. When one of them turns out to be correct, I will bookmark it in my signature. Profit, bitches! | ||
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Flaccid
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On May 11 2013 00:07 Kyhron wrote: Its really depressing. I could think of half a dozen west coast players that deserve to be nominated more than Crosby or Tavares. In all seriousness how the hell does Crosby miss what a third? if not more of the season the Pens continue to dominate the East without him and still get nominated. Clearly hes not that VALUABLE to the Pens if their record didnt suffer much if at all without him. It kinda sickens me not even a "token" West player was nominated but nope gotta nominate 2 people that didnt show up or play for large chunks of the season and Tavares who really isnt that vital to the Isles from what some of my friends have told me Yeah, they treat 'MVP' as best player, basically. And then throw in the odd random to mask that fact. Honestly, if they chose a real 'MVP' every year, it'd probably end up being some goalie who played out of his mind on a shitty team allowing them to actually win some games and still miss the playoffs. I'm sure some examples come to mind. | ||
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On May 10 2013 15:20 Manifesto7 wrote: Nothing says #lolnucks like kesler tripping a guy after a series clinching goal. I have been a canucks fan my whole life thanks to geography, but they play an unwatchably boring style of hockey. A really shitty thing about being a Canucks fan right now must be the realization that whatever window for winning existed, it is rapidly closing. They will likely hang on to the aging, busted-up 'core' and become the Calgary Flames circa 2006-2012. But if it makes you feel any better, at least that window was there. The only window we're ever likely to see in Edmonton is the one we all choose to jump out of. | ||
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Sermokala
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On May 11 2013 00:06 Stratos_speAr wrote: This, and I don't think the bias is just east coast-related. It's pretty obvious that certain names and certain positions get more favor in this voting. Absolutely terrible picks for the finalists. So the Wild got completely stomped last night, which isn't too much of a surprise, but I'm cautiously optimistic about the future; we have a ton of talent (especially young talent), and we have the pieces to build around. Parise/Sutter/Koivu is a great trio to build around and we have so much young talent (Scandella/Brodin/Granlund/Kuemper/on and on and on) that this club should just keep getting better. I'm cautious though because there are no excuses for the month of April and the first two games of this series. So little fight, so little hustle, just so little effort that isn't indicative of how we do things up here. Not only that, scoring only 7 goals in 5 playoff games and going 0/17 on the power play is disturbing. That kind of under-production, especially from the star power (1 point for Parise in the series, I think 0 for Koivu) is a little scary. I think that the Wild have the talent to go the way of the Hawks (invest in 07, compete in 2010), but I think the coaching is a hindrance. Yeo is a great guy, but he doesn't seem willing to really see the brutal truth of the problems with the team, and he doesn't seem like he's capable of being creative or flexible, especially mid-game. When you're 0/15 on the power play, you don't just keep doing the same exact thing and hope it works this time. There's talk about him being replaced, and I really do think it's warranted; we need a guy that is 1) creative and 2) can really light a fire under the players and inspire them to actually fight every game so we don't limp into the playoffs on life support. Yeah. I think its pretty acceptable to put this whole season under the "rebuilding" category. Loseing 2 goalies in the playoffs is going to kill anyones hopes of making it further and with how much change there has been with the team in a shortened season its understandable that the team chemistry never got together this year. Getting a new coach is probably the last thing the team needs to move into the new era. I don't really understand how horrid the team got on powerplays but against the best team in hockey I think a bad performance is entirely understandable considering the circumstances. You have to admit though that the second game was a hell of a lot of fun to watch. Gotta have small victories in this town. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:53 Sermokala wrote: Yeah. I think its pretty acceptable to put this whole season under the "rebuilding" category. Loseing 2 goalies in the playoffs is going to kill anyones hopes of making it further and with how much change there has been with the team in a shortened season its understandable that the team chemistry never got together this year. Getting a new coach is probably the last thing the team needs to move into the new era. I don't really understand how horrid the team got on powerplays but against the best team in hockey I think a bad performance is entirely understandable considering the circumstances. You have to admit though that the second game was a hell of a lot of fun to watch. Gotta have small victories in this town. You mean the 3rd game? Yea, it was exciting. I refuse to believe that the scoring talent isn't there; hell, we saw it through Feb/March and we've seen great spurts in the past. This leads me to believe (especially considering everything else I've seen) that there's some kind of problem besides simply the talent, and that tends to fall on the coaching staff. Maybe one more year for Yeo to get a more meaningful pre-season together, but if it doesn't seriously improve throughout the season, I'm still pretty worried. | ||
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Ferrose
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On May 11 2013 00:16 Flaccid wrote: Yeah, they treat 'MVP' as best player, basically. And then throw in the odd random to mask that fact. Honestly, if they chose a real 'MVP' every year, it'd probably end up being some goalie who played out of his mind on a shitty team allowing them to actually win some games and still miss the playoffs. I'm sure some examples come to mind. It seems like every sport treats the MVP award like that. It's quite sad  On May 11 2013 00:33 QuanticHawk wrote: YOU KIDS OUT THERE, DON'T BE LIKE FLACCID HERE!!! YOU GOTTA KEEP YOUR HEAD UP WHILE SHIT POSTIN!!! THEM TORANNA BOYS DO IT RIGHT, THEY USE THAT EDIT BUTTON WHEN THEY WANT TO ADD NEW CONTENT TO THEIR POST | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
I think what draws viewers and voters to an "MVP" is exceptional skill and athleticism. Crosby, Tavares, and Ovechkin put up points and do it in noticeable ways. If there were candidates from the Western Conference I'd think of Kane, Toews, and maybe Datsyuk, and obviously Bobrovsky. Crosby was an absolutely exceptional player this year, although his missed time is a negative. It's hard to ignore his point total, though. Ovechkin powered his team to the playoffs with some flair. And Tavares is an absolute beast. The selections are not just "jokes," they are legitimately great players from this past year, and two of them were essential for making the playoffs. What I say isn't meant to distract from an east-coast bias -- there certainly is one in the NHL -- but the three picks are certainly defensible. | ||
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