On March 30 2013 02:32 StarStruck wrote: They rarely live up and say they made a mistake. They stick by their guns on players and Burke is no different when it came to Komi. Reason he brought him is because he was gritty and truculent. Doesn't mean the guy can stake.
lousy managers of all kinds "stick by their guns" no matter what. good managers do not.
the good NHL GMs would've back tracked on Komiserak. as any good manager does when its clear their decision was incorrect. Burke did not. Burke lost his job and is no longer an NHL GM... this is darwin's method of eliminating managers who are "loyal to a fault".
software dev houses cancel stuff all the time that looked good at the start .. and turns out to be garbage...
As much as I hated the way Burke conducted himself with the media and perhaps even the fans...the Leafs we see now, are a result of what he (and Nonis) built. Randy Carlyle has done an amazing job by bringing a new attitude to the bench, making special teams bearable, and MOST definitely with the way he conducts himself towards the media — totally different from Ron Wilson.
Also, people need to realize what Nonis has done; he was a huge part of Burke's council, and as GM, he has done very well. Why has he done well? He hasn't been hasty. Some folks may have wanted Luongo on the Leafs, some may have wanted to trade Lupul/Kadri, or even Bozak. But Nonis has done a good job so far of understanding that this team has developed a core, and he isn't fucking with it.
I think the Leafs have probably the most overall scoring ability in the league, if you look at all the lines — they are only lacking consistency. They have become very good at integrating physicality into their game plan. They are however, lacking some defense skills, though Phaneuf, Fraser, and Franson have been great this season. Holtzer, Gardiner, Kostka, and Komi have not. (I have hope for Morgan Reilly)
But for those who have watched the Leafs lately, no one can doubt the hard work of Ryan Hamilton. He was the captain and a top scorer for the Marlies, but has adjusted his game to fit with Carlyle — glad to see him rewarded for his hard work.
On March 30 2013 02:32 StarStruck wrote: They rarely live up and say they made a mistake. They stick by their guns on players and Burke is no different when it came to Komi. Reason he brought him is because he was gritty and truculent. Doesn't mean the guy can stake.
lousy managers of all kinds "stick by their guns" no matter what. good managers do not.
the good NHL GMs would've back tracked on Komiserak. as any good manager does when its clear their decision was incorrect. Burke did not. Burke lost his job and is no longer an NHL GM... this is darwin's method of eliminating managers who are "loyal to a fault".
software dev houses cancel stuff all the time that looked good at the start .. and turns out to be garbage...
that is what good managers do.
Not true at all man. It's a basic rule of thumb and it has been for some time in professional sports lmao. That's why you see a lot of the same guys go after the same players when they come available.
On March 30 2013 02:32 StarStruck wrote: They rarely live up and say they made a mistake. They stick by their guns on players and Burke is no different when it came to Komi. Reason he brought him is because he was gritty and truculent. Doesn't mean the guy can stake.
lousy managers of all kinds "stick by their guns" no matter what. good managers do not.
the good NHL GMs would've back tracked on Komiserak. as any good manager does when its clear their decision was incorrect. Burke did not. Burke lost his job and is no longer an NHL GM... this is darwin's method of eliminating managers who are "loyal to a fault".
software dev houses cancel stuff all the time that looked good at the start .. and turns out to be garbage...
that is what good managers do.
Not true at all man. It's a basic rule of thumb and it has been for some time in professional sports lmao. That's why you see a lot of the same guys go after the same players when they come available.
Player, and coach, assistant coach movement in pro sports has never been higher than it is right now. Part of this is due to guys (whether its player , coach or assistant) getting signed to big deals and then the organization decides they made an error.
Pro Sports is becoming less and less "this is how we've always done it" so we are not changing. Players get signed and dropped "like they are nothing" at an ever increasing rate.
Furthermore, pro sports teams are exploring any and all ways of finding new talent. and if you are unwilling to change as quickly as possible you go extinct.
Black Quarterbacks were never used in the NFL. the DOmincan Republic was thought to be a wasteland for baseball. hockey scouts go absolutely any where on the planet to find new talent. etc etc etc
the world is speeding up not slowing down... and this "loyalty to past decisions" you are talking about only gets GMs fired.
There is no more "Tommy Lasorda" or "Toe Blake". Those days are long gone.
On March 31 2013 03:30 GrimmJ wrote: I think the Leafs have probably the most overall scoring ability in the league, if you look at all the lines — they are only lacking consistency. They have become very good at integrating physicality into their game plan.
the Leafs have no where near the best "scoring ability" in the NHL even when you look at "all the lines". as 1 quick, off hte top of my head example.. compare Pittsburgh to Toronto.
No one can be compared to the Penguins man lmao. Doesn't mean the Leafs don't have a shitload of different weapons to throw at you.
I'm not going to go into Salary cap versus pre-salary cap because the farm system/drafting has been discussed to death. In fact it goes way beyond that and keeping core/franchise players. GMs still stick to their principle guns and they don't admit to mistakes. You don't agree I say look back in time. As for coaching staff that's an entirely different can of worms and in many cases those GMs didn't make the initial hiring to begin with and the coaches always get the axe first when a team is losing. It's viewed as the quickest fix and nothing more than scapegoating but when a coach loses the dressing room and they can no longer get to the players it's the most common decision because those dressing rooms are toxic. Plus, depending on the league many of them don't make much compared to the players. Cue the revolving door.
Heck just look at the return on the Iggy trade. Should have moved him sooner Feaster! Derp. It's a very common trait in GMs. You might not like it but it still prevalent in today's market.
he stated they have the best in the NHL. last time i check Pittsburgh is in the NHL. at least 5 teams have a far better offense than the Leafs...
"GMs still stick to their principle guns and they don't admit to mistakes. You don't agree I say look back in time."
NHL GMs don't even have any where near the level of autonomy they did 20 years ago. So who cares about the "GMs ego". Ownership gets involved more than ever. Source: Neil Smith, Doug Maclean, and Pat Quinn.
also, you tried to apply it to all of Pro sports... so let's explore baseball and NFL football in detail as well.
Iginla had a no trade clause. it had nothing to do with his ego. that is why Iginla didn't end up in boston.
On March 31 2013 06:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote: he stated they have the best in the NHL. last time i check Pittsburgh is in the NHL. at least 5 teams have a far better offense than the Leafs...
"GMs still stick to their principle guns and they don't admit to mistakes. You don't agree I say look back in time."
NHL GMs don't even have any where near the level of autonomy they did 20 years ago. So who cares about the "GMs ego". Ownership gets involved more than ever. Source: Neil Smith, Doug Maclean, and Pat Quinn.
also, you tried to apply it to all of Pro sports... so let's explore baseball and NFL football in detail as well.
Iginla had a no trade clause. it had nothing to do with his ego. that is why Iginla didn't end up in boston.
It's rare as fuck man. GMs rarely get yanked and it's usually the coaches who suffer in this league lol. I just spoke about the scapegoating. Baseball they most certainly don't own up to it either. NFL is a big revolving door for the athletes too. I won't deny that because I do watch the transactions there during the sporting news shows. It's kind or ridiculous. That's not the point, Feaster could have tried to move him last season. Heck, he could have asked him sooner this season as well. When you play the waiting game sometimes it works against you. Iggy gave him a list. Boston and Pittsburgh were on it. Comes down to scratching both backs sometimes. Look we want this return more. Same rule applies with Mats and what did Mats do? No, I rather stay in Toronto. Sometimes it's how you sell it at the same time. I think the quote of the day on their website sums it up nicely:
"Trades, to me, can't be forced. Trades happen because two sides each get something they want. Even if you think you have a need and want to do it, there has to be a fit. Somebody else has to have a need." — Red Wings' GM Ken Holland
Iggy gave him a short list of teams he would want to be moved too and the Bruins were on that list. Considering they were offering better pieces Feaster could have done a better job of completing it.
* What do you know.. Lupe's streak continues. Also there are 3 teams with more goals than the Leafs, which ofc the Penguins lead everyone else by a fair margin. Rest are pretty frigging close.
WOO! Wild just completely embarrass Quick in a shootout. Dude was pissed when he got rocked with a 5-hole to end the shootout.
Oh, and Luongo getting embarrassed in the first period by Edmonton; 4 goals in 10 minutes. Scoot over Vancouver, we're back on top of the division, and we have both the tiebreaker and a game in hand!
On March 31 2013 11:54 Stratos_speAr wrote: WOO! Wild just completely embarrass Quick in a shootout. Dude was pissed when he got rocked with a 5-hole to end the shootout.
Oh, and Luongo getting embarrassed in the first period by Edmonton; 4 goals in 10 minutes. Scoot over Vancouver, we're back on top of the division, and we have both the tiebreaker and a game in hand!
Schnieder started the game with 2 goals fyi. Kinda hard to blame the goalies in a shut-out loss >.> .
So Kassian is now down with the Wolfs. Fortunately for Vancouver though, Gillis planted another rumor with TSN about his phone ringing about Luongo and a multi team bidding war going down so there is that. Guess it must be nice to be in so tight with the owners that no matter how hard he undermines the Nonis built team they still let him keep his job.
It's rare as fuck man. GMs rarely get yanked and it's usually the coaches who suffer in this league lol.
GMs are replaceable parts relative to the past.
Leafs had 10 GMs in their first 83 years. Canadiens had 12 GMs in their first 91 years.
I could go through whole league.. but i'm too lazy. every team follows this basic pattern.
Guys like Sam Pollock and Conn Smythe had the kind of autonomy and power that Brian Burke can only dream of.
Lousy GMs do not own up to their errors , as you stated. And, they are fired. Good GMs correct their errors quickly, obtain a solid winning record and remain employed.
All this talk about bad gm's sticking to their guns I just don't get.
The Minnesota wild were a really shitty team at the beginning of the season with only 1 line that could really score for anything. Now after the constant lane shuffling has paid off to a hot team thats looking good to preform for months into the playoffs and then for the years to follow.
On April 02 2013 02:05 Sermokala wrote: All this talk about bad gm's sticking to their guns I just don't get.
The Minnesota wild were a really shitty team at the beginning of the season with only 1 line that could really score for anything. Now after the constant lane shuffling has paid off to a hot team thats looking good to preform for months into the playoffs and then for the years to follow.
Speaking of the Wild and because I'm so shameless, look at this ridiculous statistic:
5. Minnesota has scored four or more goals 11 times this season, including in six of its last nine and nine of its last 16 games. Through 2/26, the Wild ranked 30th in the NHL in scoring at 2.06 GPG. Since 2/27, the Wild is No. 1 in the NHL (3.50). Overall the Wild ranks 15th at 2.74 GPG. 6. G Niklas Backstrom has won eight straight starts, eclipsing his own team-record, a seven-game streak (3/8-3/22/07). He is first in the NHL with 19 wins. Backstrom has started 17 of the Wild’s last 19 games and is 16-3-1 with a 2.18 GAA and a .922 SV% since 2/9.
Talk about "from worst to first"... What a fucking turnaround.
the leafs, esp with kadri playing his balls off despite limited minutes, are definitely up around the top five forward groups. they were 10th in scoring last year and added jvr and kadri full time. that d is still pretty beat but they do have a bunch of nice skill forwards
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