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I just woke up but holy shit Sczeszny! What the heck happened btw? I started watching in the 83rd minute and the very first thing I heard the casters say was that Wilshere came off injured and Jenkinson got sent off...
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Holy fuck, Szczesny. Dem saves.
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Sagna MotM? Arsenal fighting!
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Giroud WotM today. FFS
well at least of the guys still on the pitch.
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On February 10 2013 01:43 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 00:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Alright, something I just don't get. I play hockey and soccer; in both, I play goalie (keeper). I've been watching keepers a lot more closely recently, and I've seen way too many 5-hole goals on keepers, in all leagues. These goals usually happen because the keeper's legs are completely sprawled as he has no idea where the ball is going. What I don't get is this; if a professional hockey goalie can properly react to a puck going to the 5-hole (even if he doesn't actually stop it), why is it that professional keeper's can't do it as well? A puck travels much faster and is much harder to follow than a soccer ball is. Is it a difference in technique that makes it impractical to properly protect 5-hole shots? Just a lack of focus in training? Hockey nets are smaller. You need to cover a bigger area in football, and that usually necessitates being more spread out. This used to happen to Schmeichel all the time, but he'd also save a lot of one on one shots because he was spread out. If your legs are shut all the time then, yeah, you won't let as many through your legs, but you won't save shots that go low and just to your side often either. It's a trade off. Also, Hockey goalkeepers can use their stick to cover between their legs.
1) You shouldn't be using your stick to save between-the-leg shots.
2) It's not a matter of always having your legs closed all the time or not; it's a matter of reaction time. Being a professional goalie demands much better reflexes and yet they are able to save the vast majority of shots on goal; why don't we see more keepers improving their play like this?
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Phew. Good fighting in the second half. Well earned three points.
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On February 10 2013 01:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:43 Sated wrote:On February 10 2013 00:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Alright, something I just don't get. I play hockey and soccer; in both, I play goalie (keeper). I've been watching keepers a lot more closely recently, and I've seen way too many 5-hole goals on keepers, in all leagues. These goals usually happen because the keeper's legs are completely sprawled as he has no idea where the ball is going. What I don't get is this; if a professional hockey goalie can properly react to a puck going to the 5-hole (even if he doesn't actually stop it), why is it that professional keeper's can't do it as well? A puck travels much faster and is much harder to follow than a soccer ball is. Is it a difference in technique that makes it impractical to properly protect 5-hole shots? Just a lack of focus in training? Hockey nets are smaller. You need to cover a bigger area in football, and that usually necessitates being more spread out. This used to happen to Schmeichel all the time, but he'd also save a lot of one on one shots because he was spread out. If your legs are shut all the time then, yeah, you won't let as many through your legs, but you won't save shots that go low and just to your side often either. It's a trade off. Also, Hockey goalkeepers can use their stick to cover between their legs. 1) You shouldn't be using your stick to save between-the-leg shots. 2) It's not a matter of always having your legs closed all the time or not; it's a matter of reaction time. Being a professional goalie demands much better reflexes and yet they are able to save the vast majority of shots on goal; why don't we see more keepers improving their play like this?
Movement is faster on ice. Hockey goalies are on their knees as well. I think it's a matter of physics to some extent.
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I have officially given up on QPR.
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On February 10 2013 02:00 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:On February 10 2013 01:43 Sated wrote:On February 10 2013 00:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Alright, something I just don't get. I play hockey and soccer; in both, I play goalie (keeper). I've been watching keepers a lot more closely recently, and I've seen way too many 5-hole goals on keepers, in all leagues. These goals usually happen because the keeper's legs are completely sprawled as he has no idea where the ball is going. What I don't get is this; if a professional hockey goalie can properly react to a puck going to the 5-hole (even if he doesn't actually stop it), why is it that professional keeper's can't do it as well? A puck travels much faster and is much harder to follow than a soccer ball is. Is it a difference in technique that makes it impractical to properly protect 5-hole shots? Just a lack of focus in training? Hockey nets are smaller. You need to cover a bigger area in football, and that usually necessitates being more spread out. This used to happen to Schmeichel all the time, but he'd also save a lot of one on one shots because he was spread out. If your legs are shut all the time then, yeah, you won't let as many through your legs, but you won't save shots that go low and just to your side often either. It's a trade off. Also, Hockey goalkeepers can use their stick to cover between their legs. 1) You shouldn't be using your stick to save between-the-leg shots. 2) It's not a matter of always having your legs closed all the time or not; it's a matter of reaction time. Being a professional goalie demands much better reflexes and yet they are able to save the vast majority of shots on goal; why don't we see more keepers improving their play like this? 1) I wouldn't know, it just came to mind. 2) You're saying that the ball moving slower means that people should be able to react in time, but you're forgetting that - despite moving slower - the ball will usually reach the keeper faster than human reaction time allows for a proper reaction. So the speed of a puck compared to the speed of a football is completely irrelevant, especially in one-on-one situations. It's not all about reaction time, anyway. Positioning is super important. Standing up for as long as possible in a one-on-one situation is generally favourable, as it prevents you from conceding to cheeky chips, or from allowing the striker to go around you easily, and in order to stand up for as long as possible whilst still covering shots that go down by your sides, you need your legs spread. Since shots will be coming at you from a distance where reaction time is going to be minimal, it is very hard to save a shot that goes just out of your immediate reach.
I don't know, it's just an idea that came to mind over recent weeks. I feel like there's always more room for improvement in keeper play. I feel like we'll see some kind of shift in keeper technique over the next decade or two to make more of those saves that are within reach, going through the legs or low and to the side, because right now, we see a lot of those going in.
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On February 10 2013 02:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 02:00 Sated wrote:On February 10 2013 01:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:On February 10 2013 01:43 Sated wrote:On February 10 2013 00:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Alright, something I just don't get. I play hockey and soccer; in both, I play goalie (keeper). I've been watching keepers a lot more closely recently, and I've seen way too many 5-hole goals on keepers, in all leagues. These goals usually happen because the keeper's legs are completely sprawled as he has no idea where the ball is going. What I don't get is this; if a professional hockey goalie can properly react to a puck going to the 5-hole (even if he doesn't actually stop it), why is it that professional keeper's can't do it as well? A puck travels much faster and is much harder to follow than a soccer ball is. Is it a difference in technique that makes it impractical to properly protect 5-hole shots? Just a lack of focus in training? Hockey nets are smaller. You need to cover a bigger area in football, and that usually necessitates being more spread out. This used to happen to Schmeichel all the time, but he'd also save a lot of one on one shots because he was spread out. If your legs are shut all the time then, yeah, you won't let as many through your legs, but you won't save shots that go low and just to your side often either. It's a trade off. Also, Hockey goalkeepers can use their stick to cover between their legs. 1) You shouldn't be using your stick to save between-the-leg shots. 2) It's not a matter of always having your legs closed all the time or not; it's a matter of reaction time. Being a professional goalie demands much better reflexes and yet they are able to save the vast majority of shots on goal; why don't we see more keepers improving their play like this? 1) I wouldn't know, it just came to mind. 2) You're saying that the ball moving slower means that people should be able to react in time, but you're forgetting that - despite moving slower - the ball will usually reach the keeper faster than human reaction time allows for a proper reaction. So the speed of a puck compared to the speed of a football is completely irrelevant, especially in one-on-one situations. It's not all about reaction time, anyway. Positioning is super important. Standing up for as long as possible in a one-on-one situation is generally favourable, as it prevents you from conceding to cheeky chips, or from allowing the striker to go around you easily, and in order to stand up for as long as possible whilst still covering shots that go down by your sides, you need your legs spread. Since shots will be coming at you from a distance where reaction time is going to be minimal, it is very hard to save a shot that goes just out of your immediate reach. I don't know, it's just an idea that came to mind over recent weeks. I feel like there's always more room for improvement in keeper play. I feel like we'll see some kind of shift in keeper technique over the next decade or two to make more of those saves that are within reach, going through the legs or low and to the side, because right now, we see a lot of those going in.
I feel like keepers should be trained as baseball center fielders so they stop letting in those goals on long balls.
Edit: I say this because I'm sick of seeing a keeper dive at a ball, miss it narrowly, and then hearing the casters go "the keeper never had a chance!"
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On February 10 2013 02:12 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 02:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:On February 10 2013 02:00 Sated wrote:On February 10 2013 01:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:On February 10 2013 01:43 Sated wrote:On February 10 2013 00:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Alright, something I just don't get. I play hockey and soccer; in both, I play goalie (keeper). I've been watching keepers a lot more closely recently, and I've seen way too many 5-hole goals on keepers, in all leagues. These goals usually happen because the keeper's legs are completely sprawled as he has no idea where the ball is going. What I don't get is this; if a professional hockey goalie can properly react to a puck going to the 5-hole (even if he doesn't actually stop it), why is it that professional keeper's can't do it as well? A puck travels much faster and is much harder to follow than a soccer ball is. Is it a difference in technique that makes it impractical to properly protect 5-hole shots? Just a lack of focus in training? Hockey nets are smaller. You need to cover a bigger area in football, and that usually necessitates being more spread out. This used to happen to Schmeichel all the time, but he'd also save a lot of one on one shots because he was spread out. If your legs are shut all the time then, yeah, you won't let as many through your legs, but you won't save shots that go low and just to your side often either. It's a trade off. Also, Hockey goalkeepers can use their stick to cover between their legs. 1) You shouldn't be using your stick to save between-the-leg shots. 2) It's not a matter of always having your legs closed all the time or not; it's a matter of reaction time. Being a professional goalie demands much better reflexes and yet they are able to save the vast majority of shots on goal; why don't we see more keepers improving their play like this? 1) I wouldn't know, it just came to mind. 2) You're saying that the ball moving slower means that people should be able to react in time, but you're forgetting that - despite moving slower - the ball will usually reach the keeper faster than human reaction time allows for a proper reaction. So the speed of a puck compared to the speed of a football is completely irrelevant, especially in one-on-one situations. It's not all about reaction time, anyway. Positioning is super important. Standing up for as long as possible in a one-on-one situation is generally favourable, as it prevents you from conceding to cheeky chips, or from allowing the striker to go around you easily, and in order to stand up for as long as possible whilst still covering shots that go down by your sides, you need your legs spread. Since shots will be coming at you from a distance where reaction time is going to be minimal, it is very hard to save a shot that goes just out of your immediate reach. I don't know, it's just an idea that came to mind over recent weeks. I feel like there's always more room for improvement in keeper play. I feel like we'll see some kind of shift in keeper technique over the next decade or two to make more of those saves that are within reach, going through the legs or low and to the side, because right now, we see a lot of those going in. I feel like keepers should be trained as baseball center fielders so they stop letting in those goals on long balls. Edit: I say this because I'm sick of seeing a keeper dive at a ball, miss it narrowly, and then hearing the casters go "the keeper never had a chance!"
I feel the exact same way. There's a lot of improvement that could be made in keeper play overall.
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Juve doing pretty well against Viola at the moment. Still think Matri has to go by the end of the season.
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Hahah, City. Down 2-0 against Saints.
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Now that looks more like an England keeper.
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Oh, Robben. The same diving little bitch that you always were. People like you give this sport a bad image.
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Fantastic free kick from Schweinsteiger!
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EPT
