On February 10 2013 00:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Alright, something I just don't get. I play hockey and soccer; in both, I play goalie (keeper). I've been watching keepers a lot more closely recently, and I've seen way too many 5-hole goals on keepers, in all leagues. These goals usually happen because the keeper's legs are completely sprawled as he has no idea where the ball is going. What I don't get is this; if a professional hockey goalie can properly react to a puck going to the 5-hole (even if he doesn't actually stop it), why is it that professional keeper's can't do it as well? A puck travels much faster and is much harder to follow than a soccer ball is. Is it a difference in technique that makes it impractical to properly protect 5-hole shots? Just a lack of focus in training?
Hockey nets are smaller. You need to cover a bigger area in football, and that usually necessitates being more spread out. This used to happen to Schmeichel all the time, but he'd also save a lot of one on one shots because he was spread out. If your legs are shut all the time then, yeah, you won't let as many through your legs, but you won't save shots that go low and just to your side often either. It's a trade off.
Also, Hockey goalkeepers can use their stick to cover between their legs.
1) You shouldn't be using your stick to save between-the-leg shots.
2) It's not a matter of always having your legs closed all the time or not; it's a matter of reaction time. Being a professional goalie demands much better reflexes and yet they are able to save the vast majority of shots on goal; why don't we see more keepers improving their play like this?
1) I wouldn't know, it just came to mind.
2) You're saying that the ball moving slower means that people should be able to react in time, but you're forgetting that - despite moving slower - the ball will usually reach the keeper faster than human reaction time allows for a proper reaction. So the speed of a puck compared to the speed of a football is completely irrelevant, especially in one-on-one situations.
It's not all about reaction time, anyway. Positioning is super important. Standing up for as long as possible in a one-on-one situation is generally favourable, as it prevents you from conceding to cheeky chips, or from allowing the striker to go around you easily, and in order to stand up for as long as possible whilst still covering shots that go down by your sides, you need your legs spread. Since shots will be coming at you from a distance where reaction time is going to be minimal, it is very hard to save a shot that goes just out of your immediate reach.
I don't know, it's just an idea that came to mind over recent weeks. I feel like there's always more room for improvement in keeper play. I feel like we'll see some kind of shift in keeper technique over the next decade or two to make more of those saves that are within reach, going through the legs or low and to the side, because right now, we see a lot of those going in.
I feel like keepers should be trained as baseball center fielders so they stop letting in those goals on long balls.
Edit: I say this because I'm sick of seeing a keeper dive at a ball, miss it narrowly, and then hearing the casters go "the keeper never had a chance!"
I feel the exact same way. There's a lot of improvement that could be made in keeper play overall.
I pretty good yardstick, just try standing in goal yourself.
Against a good striker who knows what hes doing and this is the same for any other sport where you tend goal and anticipation is more important then reflex, you have to make a decision. The method sated was explaining gives you the best chance to protect yourself. Its not ideal but I dont see any changes in the next decade. None.
If you thought of it, people smarter than you or me probably did too and I dont see how they would have missed it.
There is no amount of reflex that will account for that. You could read the situation better and premeditate and maybe the striker messes up awell. But that is it.
On February 10 2013 00:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Alright, something I just don't get. I play hockey and soccer; in both, I play goalie (keeper). I've been watching keepers a lot more closely recently, and I've seen way too many 5-hole goals on keepers, in all leagues. These goals usually happen because the keeper's legs are completely sprawled as he has no idea where the ball is going. What I don't get is this; if a professional hockey goalie can properly react to a puck going to the 5-hole (even if he doesn't actually stop it), why is it that professional keeper's can't do it as well? A puck travels much faster and is much harder to follow than a soccer ball is. Is it a difference in technique that makes it impractical to properly protect 5-hole shots? Just a lack of focus in training?
Hockey nets are smaller. You need to cover a bigger area in football, and that usually necessitates being more spread out. This used to happen to Schmeichel all the time, but he'd also save a lot of one on one shots because he was spread out. If your legs are shut all the time then, yeah, you won't let as many through your legs, but you won't save shots that go low and just to your side often either. It's a trade off.
Also, Hockey goalkeepers can use their stick to cover between their legs.
1) You shouldn't be using your stick to save between-the-leg shots.
2) It's not a matter of always having your legs closed all the time or not; it's a matter of reaction time. Being a professional goalie demands much better reflexes and yet they are able to save the vast majority of shots on goal; why don't we see more keepers improving their play like this?
1) I wouldn't know, it just came to mind.
2) You're saying that the ball moving slower means that people should be able to react in time, but you're forgetting that - despite moving slower - the ball will usually reach the keeper faster than human reaction time allows for a proper reaction. So the speed of a puck compared to the speed of a football is completely irrelevant, especially in one-on-one situations.
It's not all about reaction time, anyway. Positioning is super important. Standing up for as long as possible in a one-on-one situation is generally favourable, as it prevents you from conceding to cheeky chips, or from allowing the striker to go around you easily, and in order to stand up for as long as possible whilst still covering shots that go down by your sides, you need your legs spread. Since shots will be coming at you from a distance where reaction time is going to be minimal, it is very hard to save a shot that goes just out of your immediate reach.
I don't know, it's just an idea that came to mind over recent weeks. I feel like there's always more room for improvement in keeper play. I feel like we'll see some kind of shift in keeper technique over the next decade or two to make more of those saves that are within reach, going through the legs or low and to the side, because right now, we see a lot of those going in.
I feel like keepers should be trained as baseball center fielders so they stop letting in those goals on long balls.
Edit: I say this because I'm sick of seeing a keeper dive at a ball, miss it narrowly, and then hearing the casters go "the keeper never had a chance!"
I feel the exact same way. There's a lot of improvement that could be made in keeper play overall.
I pretty good yardstick, just try standing in goal yourself.
Against a good striker who knows what hes doing and this is the same for any other sport where you tend goal and anticipation is more important then reflex, you have to make a decision. The method sated was explaining gives you the best chance to protect yourself. Its not ideal but I dont see any changes in the next decade. None.
If you thought of it, people smarter than you or me probably did too and I dont see how they would have missed it.
There is no amount of reflex that will account for that. You could read the situation better and premeditate and maybe the striker messes up awell. But that is it.
I play keeper quite regularly, so it's not like I've never done this before. I know what it's like to stand in a massive net compared to the tiny ones in hockey. That said, I'm sure that the bold part is exactly what people have said for years and years in sports, right before better techniques came about to prove their incessant arrogance completely wrong. By sticking to this thinking, we wouldn't have butterfly saves, we wouldn't have the plethora of new techniques to curve a ball to make it more difficult for a keeper to save, we wouldn't have the forkball or other types of throws in baseball.
On February 10 2013 00:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Alright, something I just don't get. I play hockey and soccer; in both, I play goalie (keeper). I've been watching keepers a lot more closely recently, and I've seen way too many 5-hole goals on keepers, in all leagues. These goals usually happen because the keeper's legs are completely sprawled as he has no idea where the ball is going. What I don't get is this; if a professional hockey goalie can properly react to a puck going to the 5-hole (even if he doesn't actually stop it), why is it that professional keeper's can't do it as well? A puck travels much faster and is much harder to follow than a soccer ball is. Is it a difference in technique that makes it impractical to properly protect 5-hole shots? Just a lack of focus in training?
Hockey nets are smaller. You need to cover a bigger area in football, and that usually necessitates being more spread out. This used to happen to Schmeichel all the time, but he'd also save a lot of one on one shots because he was spread out. If your legs are shut all the time then, yeah, you won't let as many through your legs, but you won't save shots that go low and just to your side often either. It's a trade off.
Also, Hockey goalkeepers can use their stick to cover between their legs.
1) You shouldn't be using your stick to save between-the-leg shots.
2) It's not a matter of always having your legs closed all the time or not; it's a matter of reaction time. Being a professional goalie demands much better reflexes and yet they are able to save the vast majority of shots on goal; why don't we see more keepers improving their play like this?
1) I wouldn't know, it just came to mind.
2) You're saying that the ball moving slower means that people should be able to react in time, but you're forgetting that - despite moving slower - the ball will usually reach the keeper faster than human reaction time allows for a proper reaction. So the speed of a puck compared to the speed of a football is completely irrelevant, especially in one-on-one situations.
It's not all about reaction time, anyway. Positioning is super important. Standing up for as long as possible in a one-on-one situation is generally favourable, as it prevents you from conceding to cheeky chips, or from allowing the striker to go around you easily, and in order to stand up for as long as possible whilst still covering shots that go down by your sides, you need your legs spread. Since shots will be coming at you from a distance where reaction time is going to be minimal, it is very hard to save a shot that goes just out of your immediate reach.
I don't know, it's just an idea that came to mind over recent weeks. I feel like there's always more room for improvement in keeper play. I feel like we'll see some kind of shift in keeper technique over the next decade or two to make more of those saves that are within reach, going through the legs or low and to the side, because right now, we see a lot of those going in.
I feel like keepers should be trained as baseball center fielders so they stop letting in those goals on long balls.
Edit: I say this because I'm sick of seeing a keeper dive at a ball, miss it narrowly, and then hearing the casters go "the keeper never had a chance!"
I feel the exact same way. There's a lot of improvement that could be made in keeper play overall.
I pretty good yardstick, just try standing in goal yourself.
Against a good striker who knows what hes doing and this is the same for any other sport where you tend goal and anticipation is more important then reflex, you have to make a decision. The method sated was explaining gives you the best chance to protect yourself. Its not ideal but I dont see any changes in the next decade. None.
If you thought of it, people smarter than you or me probably did too and I dont see how they would have missed it.
There is no amount of reflex that will account for that. You could read the situation better and premeditate and maybe the striker messes up awell. But that is it.
I play keeper quite regularly, so it's not like I've never done this before. I know what it's like to stand in a massive net compared to the tiny ones in hockey. That said, I'm sure that the bold part is exactly what people have said for years and years in sports, right before better techniques came about to prove their incessant arrogance completely wrong. By sticking to this thinking, we wouldn't have butterfly saves, we wouldn't have the plethora of new techniques to curve a ball to make it more difficult for a keeper to save, we wouldn't have the forkball or other types of throws in baseball.
Yes but those are techniques, none of those rely on reflex. As for butterfly saves football is not hockey. There is a marked difference in how those goal is tended.
There is no TECHNIQUE that will account for reflex limitations. Sure physical enhancements might but the technique itself wont change.
On February 10 2013 00:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Alright, something I just don't get. I play hockey and soccer; in both, I play goalie (keeper). I've been watching keepers a lot more closely recently, and I've seen way too many 5-hole goals on keepers, in all leagues. These goals usually happen because the keeper's legs are completely sprawled as he has no idea where the ball is going. What I don't get is this; if a professional hockey goalie can properly react to a puck going to the 5-hole (even if he doesn't actually stop it), why is it that professional keeper's can't do it as well? A puck travels much faster and is much harder to follow than a soccer ball is. Is it a difference in technique that makes it impractical to properly protect 5-hole shots? Just a lack of focus in training?
Hockey nets are smaller. You need to cover a bigger area in football, and that usually necessitates being more spread out. This used to happen to Schmeichel all the time, but he'd also save a lot of one on one shots because he was spread out. If your legs are shut all the time then, yeah, you won't let as many through your legs, but you won't save shots that go low and just to your side often either. It's a trade off.
Also, Hockey goalkeepers can use their stick to cover between their legs.
1) You shouldn't be using your stick to save between-the-leg shots.
2) It's not a matter of always having your legs closed all the time or not; it's a matter of reaction time. Being a professional goalie demands much better reflexes and yet they are able to save the vast majority of shots on goal; why don't we see more keepers improving their play like this?
1) I wouldn't know, it just came to mind.
2) You're saying that the ball moving slower means that people should be able to react in time, but you're forgetting that - despite moving slower - the ball will usually reach the keeper faster than human reaction time allows for a proper reaction. So the speed of a puck compared to the speed of a football is completely irrelevant, especially in one-on-one situations.
It's not all about reaction time, anyway. Positioning is super important. Standing up for as long as possible in a one-on-one situation is generally favourable, as it prevents you from conceding to cheeky chips, or from allowing the striker to go around you easily, and in order to stand up for as long as possible whilst still covering shots that go down by your sides, you need your legs spread. Since shots will be coming at you from a distance where reaction time is going to be minimal, it is very hard to save a shot that goes just out of your immediate reach.
I don't know, it's just an idea that came to mind over recent weeks. I feel like there's always more room for improvement in keeper play. I feel like we'll see some kind of shift in keeper technique over the next decade or two to make more of those saves that are within reach, going through the legs or low and to the side, because right now, we see a lot of those going in.
I feel like keepers should be trained as baseball center fielders so they stop letting in those goals on long balls.
Edit: I say this because I'm sick of seeing a keeper dive at a ball, miss it narrowly, and then hearing the casters go "the keeper never had a chance!"
I feel the exact same way. There's a lot of improvement that could be made in keeper play overall.
I pretty good yardstick, just try standing in goal yourself.
Against a good striker who knows what hes doing and this is the same for any other sport where you tend goal and anticipation is more important then reflex, you have to make a decision. The method sated was explaining gives you the best chance to protect yourself. Its not ideal but I dont see any changes in the next decade. None.
If you thought of it, people smarter than you or me probably did too and I dont see how they would have missed it.
There is no amount of reflex that will account for that. You could read the situation better and premeditate and maybe the striker messes up awell. But that is it.
I play keeper quite regularly, so it's not like I've never done this before. I know what it's like to stand in a massive net compared to the tiny ones in hockey. That said, I'm sure that the bold part is exactly what people have said for years and years in sports, right before better techniques came about to prove their incessant arrogance completely wrong. By sticking to this thinking, we wouldn't have butterfly saves, we wouldn't have the plethora of new techniques to curve a ball to make it more difficult for a keeper to save, we wouldn't have the forkball or other types of throws in baseball.
I mean.. the bottom line is that there's a difference between this: + Show Spoiler +
It isn't easy to put the ball between a keeper's legs, it requires a lot of technique.. and a lot of shots at the legs of keepers are actually saved because it's one of a few small paths around the keeper that you can try. Occasionally one might go through but it isn't as though it's considered a howler. If the keeper turns his legs and guards low you can bend it around him or pop it over him. I just think the two positions have too many different considerations to take when you're defending your goal.. I don't think football keepers are going to learn anything from hockey.. or hockey goalies anything from them.
If I was a City fan, I'd be furious. A must-win game to catch up to United, who have a tough game the following day, and you fall 3-1 to Southhampton. I mean, hats off to Saints, as they had a great game, but City looked like a sad shell of the team that shocked the premiership last year. They need to clone Zabaleta or something, 'cause at times he looks like the only one trying. The shocker from Hart doesn't help either, but I don't blame him for the loss.
I guess congratulations to United are in order. I fail to see how they can mess this up. I bet Sir Alex will kill the entire squad if they lose the title with this lead.
Major leagues are essentially wrapped up now, even though it's only February. Man U will take the Premiership, Barca la Liga, Bayern the Bundesliga and Juventus the Serie A.
Bring on the Champions League! Even though Chelsea got knocked out (though an excuse for a trip to Prague is never a bad thing) I still can't wait for Man U vs Real, it should be amazing. Hope Malaga and Dortmund do well too.
On February 10 2013 06:05 NuclearJudas wrote: If I was a City fan, I'd be furious. A must-win game to catch up to United, who have a tough game the following day, and you fall 3-1 to Southhampton. I mean, hats off to Saints, as they had a great game, but City looked like a sad shell of the team that shocked the premiership last year. They need to clone Zabaleta or something, 'cause at times he looks like the only one trying. The shocker from Hart doesn't help either, but I don't blame him for the loss.
I guess congratulations to United are in order. I fail to see how they can mess this up. I bet Sir Alex will kill the entire squad if they lose the title with this lead.
Without Kompany they aren't the same. I don't consider Javi Garcia a Premier League-calibre centre back at all (only works well at DM/MC).
On February 10 2013 06:21 Larkin wrote: Major leagues are essentially wrapped up now, even though it's only February. Man U will take the Premiership, Barca la Liga, Bayern the Bundesliga and Juventus the Serie A.
Bring on the Champions League! Even though Chelsea got knocked out (though an excuse for a trip to Prague is never a bad thing) I still can't wait for Man U vs Real, it should be amazing. Hope Malaga and Dortmund do well too.
Watch the Dutch league! Crappy football, but excitement at the end of the season is (almost) guaranteed.
In an hangout interview , Eto'o explains how he is harassed by the Cameroon Federation, it's kinda WTF: - Death threats by his own footbal federation, and he is currently living in a house protected 7/24 by policemen. - He is not eating the same food as his partners because he is scared of poisoning - He is only wearing the stuff Puma sends him - He also refuses to play for Cameroon (they lost 0-1 to Tanzania recently)
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