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Yeah, water can fill empty fat cells and it can sometimes take 10-20 days before you piss that excess out to give you a "whoosh" effect. That's short term though, in the long term your average bodyweight should still be dropping. If it isn't, you're eating too many kcal
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On September 07 2012 00:27 Sinep wrote:Yeah, water can fill empty fat cells and it can sometimes take 10-20 days before you piss that excess out to give you a "whoosh" effect. That's short term though, in the long term your average bodyweight should still be dropping. If it isn't, you're eating too many kcal
Exactly.
If you're at a -500 cal/day deficit, you're only losing 4 pounds in a month. Combine that with whooshes and squishy fat, and just normal water weight, and it can take a couple of months to see any benefit on the scale.
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On September 06 2012 22:37 Sinep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 22:07 funkie wrote:
fuck leangains, fuck everything.
I'm done dieting and "seeing" no changes at all, gonna start eating +4 times a day, and keep on lifting hard. If my body doesn't change in the long run, then it will never will.
Can you post what you were doing in terms of workout and diet? If you are dieting and your bodyweight isn't decreasing then you most likely aren't making progress.
Yeah I fucked it up by the end, eating twice a day, mostly carbs in my first meal, and mostly protein in my second one. I toly fucked up myself and that led me to this.
I was making some progress tho, by the time I started leanGains, I started the Squat Nemesis Program, took, my squat from 120kg to 170kg in like 1-2 months.  .
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On September 07 2012 00:27 Sinep wrote:Yeah, water can fill empty fat cells and it can sometimes take 10-20 days before you piss that excess out to give you a "whoosh" effect. That's short term though, in the long term your average bodyweight should still be dropping. If it isn't, you're eating too many kcal
Curious if you or anyone knows, if you are susceptible to whooshes, is it helpful to do the dry re-feed mentioned in the article and then rehydrate later on? Staying hydrated is a good thing (I guess I'm assuming this >.>) but would the dry re-feed help instigate a whoosh and then rehydrating doesn't reverse that I assume, yes?
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I've actually put on a few pounds while training for a run during the past few weeks. It's strange because my caloric intake has not increased noticeably (at least as far as I know), and my running shorts have actually become a little more loose. Hopefully this trend doesn't continue after the run next weekend.
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On September 07 2012 02:21 funkie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 22:37 Sinep wrote:On September 05 2012 22:07 funkie wrote:
fuck leangains, fuck everything.
I'm done dieting and "seeing" no changes at all, gonna start eating +4 times a day, and keep on lifting hard. If my body doesn't change in the long run, then it will never will.
Can you post what you were doing in terms of workout and diet? If you are dieting and your bodyweight isn't decreasing then you most likely aren't making progress. Yeah I fucked it up by the end, eating twice a day, mostly carbs in my first meal, and mostly protein in my second one. I toly fucked up myself and that led me to this. I was making some progress tho, by the time I started leanGains, I started the Squat Nemesis Program, took, my squat from 120kg to 170kg in like 1-2 months. .
Did you count your calories? You say you started "leangains" but just because you fast doesn't mean you are doing leangains. It's an entire program with specific macros designed for specific goals.
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On September 07 2012 03:56 mordek wrote:
Curious if you or anyone knows, if you are susceptible to whooshes, is it helpful to do the dry re-feed mentioned in the article and then rehydrate later on? Staying hydrated is a good thing (I guess I'm assuming this >.>) but would the dry re-feed help instigate a whoosh and then rehydrating doesn't reverse that I assume, yes?
I've never done a "dry" refeed in my diets. The concept seems dumb to me. If you are losing fat (you can be sure of this if you are counting your calories) then dropping the bloat on command is irrelevant to you. It'll come off when it comes off. Unless you are doing bodybuilding and have a stage date, why does it matter? You should always do your best to be hydrated. If you're thirsty, drink. If you don't drink with your meals you aren't doing your body any favours.
In my experience I bloat up if I eat processed foods of any kind. Generally they have a crazy salt content and make you thirsty as hell, whereupon water drunk will most likely bloat you. If I eat a reasonable amount of natural carbs post workout on a diet and drink water til I'm not thirsty, I don't bloat up. It's fine.
The days I'm likely to piss out a bloat however, are the lower carb days (non workout days for me). If I go 6-7 hours between a meal I'll be more inclined to piss it out (I'll still drink some water though).
If you were in *dire* need of ridding yourself of a bloat, a 24 hour fast will more than likely do the trick. Obviously that's not ideal for many other reasons though. A few shots of liquor have also been known to do the trick.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 04 2012 11:00 sereniity wrote:Hey guys, I recently started to take my training very seriously (I now work out 5 days a week). I want to take it to the next level but I'm unsure of how I should do so, my goal is something like the guy that is first to train in this video: How I look right now: http://imgur.com/xQL9G,WrwWC,jRuxk#0http://imgur.com/xQL9G,WrwWC,jRuxk#1http://imgur.com/xQL9G,WrwWC,jRuxk#2note: I had just drank 1½ litre of milk here so my stomach is abit bloated(?) Unsure if that's the right word... I'm 17, 1.75 cm and weight ~63kg. My daily meals Meal 1: 3-4 Eggs and 1 bowl of Soured Milk (actually I'm not sure if it's called Soured Milk, some ppl told me that this doesn't exist in England and America so I don't know the english word for it. Either way if you wanna look it up it's called Filmjölk). I know that I should be eating oatmeal but I've been slacking abit, going to start to do so now though (and cut down abit on the eggs). Meal 2: Noodles and shrimps (but not actually shrimps, here's a picture lol) http://www.saltpeppar.se/blog/wp-content/millan_090106b.jpgMeal 3: Usually potato + chicken/any kind of meat + bearnaise Meal 4: 4 eggs and 1½ litre of milk (3% fat) And to add to that I take 2 protein shakes every day (at random times, 1 before I go to bed and 1 earlier in the day pretty much). I know my diet is far from optimal but I'm just using what I can. Could someone please give me some feedback on what I should do to reach my goal, should I be bulking right now or something else? Is there something I should exclude from my diet strictly? Appreciate any help I can get!
Just wanted to quote this and say I'm making progress, made the post above a month ago, now I'm at ~69kg, so around 6kg this month gained!
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At the end of the first article: "Empirically, making the LTDFLE work the best seems to involve raising carbohydrate intake moreso than dietary fat. In that vein, in the short-term (2-3 days), leptin levels are only responsive to increasing dietary carbohydrate intake, not fat."
Wait, what? I thought fat triggered a much more significant leptin response than carbohydrate? Is he saying that an extended caloric deficit reverses that relationship?
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On September 07 2012 05:52 Sinep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 03:56 mordek wrote:
Curious if you or anyone knows, if you are susceptible to whooshes, is it helpful to do the dry re-feed mentioned in the article and then rehydrate later on? Staying hydrated is a good thing (I guess I'm assuming this >.>) but would the dry re-feed help instigate a whoosh and then rehydrating doesn't reverse that I assume, yes? I've never done a "dry" refeed in my diets. The concept seems dumb to me. If you are losing fat (you can be sure of this if you are counting your calories) then dropping the bloat on command is irrelevant to you. It'll come off when it comes off. Unless you are doing bodybuilding and have a stage date, why does it matter? You should always do your best to be hydrated. If you're thirsty, drink. If you don't drink with your meals you aren't doing your body any favours. In my experience I bloat up if I eat processed foods of any kind. Generally they have a crazy salt content and make you thirsty as hell, whereupon water drunk will most likely bloat you. If I eat a reasonable amount of natural carbs post workout on a diet and drink water til I'm not thirsty, I don't bloat up. It's fine. The days I'm likely to piss out a bloat however, are the lower carb days (non workout days for me). If I go 6-7 hours between a meal I'll be more inclined to piss it out (I'll still drink some water though). If you were in *dire* need of ridding yourself of a bloat, a 24 hour fast will more than likely do the trick. Obviously that's not ideal for many other reasons though. A few shots of liquor have also been known to do the trick.
Well I'm asking for my wife who I think experiences the water retention/whoosh issue. If you she could do that to see she's actually losing fat, I'm sure you can imagine the self-esteem boost that is and reinforces adhering to the diet.
I've varied about 2 pounds in the last two months (which I'm fine with for now)
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Is it me or is is extremely difficult to recover from a full body work out in the span of 24 hr time period?
Either way, I will be implementing cardio exercise at 'lift resting days'.
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On September 07 2012 10:55 Xiphos wrote:
Is it me or is is extremely difficult to recover from a full body work out in the span of 24 hr time period?
Either way, I will be implementing cardio exercise at 'lift resting days'.
Now that I think of it again just be careful to not over train. If you notice yourself not recovering fast enough after and it hinders your progress in your workouts you should stop.
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On September 07 2012 08:38 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 05:52 Sinep wrote:On September 07 2012 03:56 mordek wrote:
Curious if you or anyone knows, if you are susceptible to whooshes, is it helpful to do the dry re-feed mentioned in the article and then rehydrate later on? Staying hydrated is a good thing (I guess I'm assuming this >.>) but would the dry re-feed help instigate a whoosh and then rehydrating doesn't reverse that I assume, yes? I've never done a "dry" refeed in my diets. The concept seems dumb to me. If you are losing fat (you can be sure of this if you are counting your calories) then dropping the bloat on command is irrelevant to you. It'll come off when it comes off. Unless you are doing bodybuilding and have a stage date, why does it matter? You should always do your best to be hydrated. If you're thirsty, drink. If you don't drink with your meals you aren't doing your body any favours. In my experience I bloat up if I eat processed foods of any kind. Generally they have a crazy salt content and make you thirsty as hell, whereupon water drunk will most likely bloat you. If I eat a reasonable amount of natural carbs post workout on a diet and drink water til I'm not thirsty, I don't bloat up. It's fine. The days I'm likely to piss out a bloat however, are the lower carb days (non workout days for me). If I go 6-7 hours between a meal I'll be more inclined to piss it out (I'll still drink some water though). If you were in *dire* need of ridding yourself of a bloat, a 24 hour fast will more than likely do the trick. Obviously that's not ideal for many other reasons though. A few shots of liquor have also been known to do the trick. Well I'm asking for my wife who I think experiences the water retention/whoosh issue. If you she could do that to see she's actually losing fat, I'm sure you can imagine the self-esteem boost that is and reinforces adhering to the diet. I've varied about 2 pounds in the last two months (which I'm fine with for now)
Try a few shots of alcohol or a glass of dry red wine before you go to bed. That has good chances of being successful. It's all very dependant on how your diet is setup in how you long you retain water and when you rid yourself of it
I'm not saying this is the case, but it's always better to be honest with yourself on diets. If you aren't dropping weight steadily on average over 14-20 days, the problem is likely not water retention.
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On September 07 2012 10:55 Xiphos wrote:
Is it me or is is extremely difficult to recover from a full body work out in the span of 24 hr time period?
Either way, I will be implementing cardio exercise at 'lift resting days'.
Depends on the person and the workout.
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On September 07 2012 22:16 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 10:55 Xiphos wrote:
Is it me or is is extremely difficult to recover from a full body work out in the span of 24 hr time period?
Either way, I will be implementing cardio exercise at 'lift resting days'. Depends on the person and the workout.
I workout everyday to the max.
When I don't (usually if I have to skip a gym sessions due to work or else) I have these fucking weird doms.
I feel sore and "clumsy". It's hard for me not to workout everyday, and I feel like I'm recovering fine, I'm making progress (maybe not so much now on my core lifts, but on other assitance lifts I'm progressing every week).
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Annie Thorisdottir was at my gym today.
That girl is fucking hot
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On September 08 2012 00:26 funkie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 22:16 decafchicken wrote:On September 07 2012 10:55 Xiphos wrote:
Is it me or is is extremely difficult to recover from a full body work out in the span of 24 hr time period?
Either way, I will be implementing cardio exercise at 'lift resting days'. Depends on the person and the workout. I workout everyday to the max. When I don't (usually if I have to skip a gym sessions due to work or else) I have these fucking weird doms. I feel sore and "clumsy". It's hard for me not to workout everyday, and I feel like I'm recovering fine, I'm making progress (maybe not so much now on my core lifts, but on other assitance lifts I'm progressing every week).
I replaced 'workout' with have sex, still holds true. Full body errrday.
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On September 08 2012 01:37 Sinep wrote:
Annie Thorisdottir was at my gym today.
That girl is fucking hot
wow thats awesome! was she there for a workout?
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On September 08 2012 01:37 Sinep wrote:
Annie Thorisdottir was at my gym today.
That girl is fucking hot
Not too shabby. And she's attractive without looking like there's an airbrush involved.
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holy shit her abs are ridiculous
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