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On May 15 2013 04:43 Osmoses wrote:Got pain on the upside of my mousehand, hurts pretty bad. It's been something of an annoyance for a couple months, but I cut down on my League time and started stretching and it seemed to get better. Then I played League all of last weekend and now I can barely type. I've switched mousehand at work to leftie and I try not to extend the index or ringfinger if I can avoid it, but it also hurts when I grip, which sort of gets in the way of most things I do at the gym. Oh yeah, I'm 29 and I dunno, doesn't it seem early for this? Any tips? I'm mostly curious about diagnosis so I know where to go from here, tendonitis and carpal tunnel both seem to suggest the problem should be in the wrist, but mine is around the knuckles which would suggest.. arthritis? Surely not. 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Zn2jhVG.png) + Show Spoiler +2. What exercises hurt?
Gripping and extending the index and ringfinger (as if to type on a keyboard)
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Sharp.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
5-6 during activity, hurts less if I leave it alone for a while
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
On and off for a couple months, started end of last year, I took a break from gaming for a couple weeks and it seemed to go away, came back again slowly when I started playing League again
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Only started hurting in the gym recently
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Feels like the tendon that goes to the fingers
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Stretching, as outlined in that WC3 progamer article that was linked on here at some point
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Not using my hand helps, hard to say if stretching actually does anything
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Slight swelling if any, knuckles get red during activity
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Hurts if I fuck with it at any point of the day
12. Any previous injury history?
No
13. How's your posture?
I rest my elbows on my chair's rests and I rest my wrist on the table. I've seen people recommending not resting either and using your arm to move the mouse instead of your wrist but it seems to me that would just move the problem up the arm to the shoulder or neck. That, and it's quite uncomfortable/exhausting to constantly have to tense my shoulders.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Deadlifts, press, chins and pullups all appear to worsen the pain.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
I use a computer, mice and keyboard, for at least 80% of every day.
Hmmmm..... try some deep tissue massage to your extensor muscles, especially extensor digitorum and extensor indicis.
I want to see if that makes a significant difference
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On May 16 2013 10:40 L_Master wrote:
Had MRI yesterday, should hear back from GP in the next day or two. I expect it's likely that I will be off to see an orthopedic specialist...unless it happens to be something really obvious showing up on MRI.
Yeah, hopefully they can find something... well, honestly if they don't find something that tells you it's generally a soft tissue type of thing.
On May 16 2013 11:53 EngrishTeacher wrote:So I had my gall bladder removed yesterday due to gall bladder stones (gall bladder almost full, pretty rare for my age), and I'm still feeling sedated and slow from the anesthetic. They punched 3 holes in my stomach (minimally invasive surgery), and said I should be able to go home in 3-4 days. Still has a tube in my stomach for drainage, and my mouth is dry as fuck as I can't drink any water for at least 24 hours. Throbbing headaches and numbing of feelings in my arm from massive amounts of ice cold IV... ah, I feel like shit  Worst part is, no more ice cream or steak binges for me anymore. Meh, maybe that's a good thing.
Ew. Well, I don't really advocate getting gallbladder removed in the first place but that's just me. If you generally start eating anti-inflammatory it tends to clear up.
But in any case... start eating anti-inflammatory anyway.
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On May 16 2013 13:41 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 04:43 Osmoses wrote:Got pain on the upside of my mousehand, hurts pretty bad. It's been something of an annoyance for a couple months, but I cut down on my League time and started stretching and it seemed to get better. Then I played League all of last weekend and now I can barely type. I've switched mousehand at work to leftie and I try not to extend the index or ringfinger if I can avoid it, but it also hurts when I grip, which sort of gets in the way of most things I do at the gym. Oh yeah, I'm 29 and I dunno, doesn't it seem early for this? Any tips? I'm mostly curious about diagnosis so I know where to go from here, tendonitis and carpal tunnel both seem to suggest the problem should be in the wrist, but mine is around the knuckles which would suggest.. arthritis? Surely not. 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. + Show Spoiler +2. What exercises hurt?
Gripping and extending the index and ringfinger (as if to type on a keyboard)
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Sharp.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
5-6 during activity, hurts less if I leave it alone for a while
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
On and off for a couple months, started end of last year, I took a break from gaming for a couple weeks and it seemed to go away, came back again slowly when I started playing League again
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Only started hurting in the gym recently
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Feels like the tendon that goes to the fingers
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Stretching, as outlined in that WC3 progamer article that was linked on here at some point
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Not using my hand helps, hard to say if stretching actually does anything
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Slight swelling if any, knuckles get red during activity
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Hurts if I fuck with it at any point of the day
12. Any previous injury history?
No
13. How's your posture?
I rest my elbows on my chair's rests and I rest my wrist on the table. I've seen people recommending not resting either and using your arm to move the mouse instead of your wrist but it seems to me that would just move the problem up the arm to the shoulder or neck. That, and it's quite uncomfortable/exhausting to constantly have to tense my shoulders.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Deadlifts, press, chins and pullups all appear to worsen the pain.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
I use a computer, mice and keyboard, for at least 80% of every day. Hmmmm..... try some deep tissue massage to your extensor muscles, especially extensor digitorum and extensor indicis. I want to see if that makes a significant difference
I shall heed your advice and report back my findings.
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Hey eshlow,
just wanted to thank you again and let you know that my squat has already gotten a lot better since I started focusing on my hip internal rotation. Only a couple days in and it's almost as good as my right legt which I've been stretching as well.
I also bought myself some tennis balls for self massage in addition to my foam roller plus a jumpstretchband and kelly's book "Becoming a supply leopard". Really want to be able to be able to move my body with integrity through full ranges of motion at all joints.
I started doing the 365 mobilityWOD dailies, you probably already know about this mobility stuff kelly has put together. Planning on doing 3 of those per day so I get done with all that stuff in 4 months.
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Just a couple days in and it just feels so good even tho sometimes those mobs are rather unpleasant, but it's worth it.
Peace out, you're the man~
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On May 17 2013 02:43 decaf wrote:Hey eshlow, just wanted to thank you again and let you know that my squat has already gotten a lot better since I started focusing on my hip internal rotation. Only a couple days in and it's almost as good as my right legt which I've been stretching as well. I also bought myself some tennis balls for self massage in addition to my foam roller plus a jumpstretchband and kelly's book "Becoming a supply leopard". Really want to be able to be able to move my body with integrity through full ranges of motion at all joints. I started doing the 365 mobilityWOD dailies, you probably already know about this mobility stuff kelly has put together. Planning on doing 3 of those per day so I get done with all that stuff in 4 months. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XwKnk16Zbs&list=PL0E4D62E1F8F41E0F Just a couple days in and it just feels so good even tho sometimes those mobs are rather unpleasant, but it's worth it. Peace out, you're the man~
Awesome.
Sounds like a plan.
I'm honestly convinced that good IR and ER and control of the IR and ER of the hips are as important as the squatting themselves, especially for fluid hips for running/cutting/etc. I need to write this article up soon, lol
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So initial report is some inflammation of pubic bone, as well as possible impingement. Will be going to see an orthopedist sometime here in the next week or two as soon as I can get in.
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bones can be inflamed? O.O
On May 17 2013 10:51 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:43 decaf wrote:Hey eshlow, just wanted to thank you again and let you know that my squat has already gotten a lot better since I started focusing on my hip internal rotation. Only a couple days in and it's almost as good as my right legt which I've been stretching as well. I also bought myself some tennis balls for self massage in addition to my foam roller plus a jumpstretchband and kelly's book "Becoming a supply leopard". Really want to be able to be able to move my body with integrity through full ranges of motion at all joints. I started doing the 365 mobilityWOD dailies, you probably already know about this mobility stuff kelly has put together. Planning on doing 3 of those per day so I get done with all that stuff in 4 months. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XwKnk16Zbs&list=PL0E4D62E1F8F41E0F Just a couple days in and it just feels so good even tho sometimes those mobs are rather unpleasant, but it's worth it. Peace out, you're the man~ Awesome. Sounds like a plan. I'm honestly convinced that good IR and ER and control of the IR and ER of the hips are as important as the squatting themselves, especially for fluid hips for running/cutting/etc. I need to write this article up soon, lol
i would love to read this!
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Been massaging those muscles for like 2 days now and feeling better, can't say if its because I'm not using my hand though so I've started playing League again to see what happens.
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So, massaging definitely helps, but now my arm hurts because I'm rubbing it all the time xD
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OK so I noticed this issue now during rehab: I was doing leg presses (~30kg inclined), and it feels like at the lowest point, a sinew or something in my left (the bad one) knee get stuck. I'll try to describe this:
From that picture here I think what I am talking about is the Hamstring tendon?
http://www.jointcell.com/images/Knee/muscles_involved_in_knee_motion.jpg
It is that kind of hard line that runs from the legs to the outside of the knee on the back of the knee.
When I do the presses (and also on weighted squats), that thing seems to get stuck on something, and then on the lowest point will jump into place at some point. If I put my hand on it while pressing I can actually feel it stay in place and then suddenly jump over something. It does not hurt, but it feels really awkward. On my right (healthy) knee the same thing moves in one smooth motion.
With simple BW squats I don't notice anything, seems to only occur with weighted squats, and with leg presses.
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On May 21 2013 17:59 zatic wrote:OK so I noticed this issue now during rehab: I was doing leg presses (~30kg inclined), and it feels like at the lowest point, a sinew or something in my left (the bad one) knee get stuck. I'll try to describe this: From that picture here I think what I am talking about is the Hamstring tendon? http://www.jointcell.com/images/Knee/muscles_involved_in_knee_motion.jpgIt is that kind of hard line that runs from the legs to the outside of the knee on the back of the knee. When I do the presses (and also on weighted squats), that thing seems to get stuck on something, and then on the lowest point will jump into place at some point. If I put my hand on it while pressing I can actually feel it stay in place and then suddenly jump over something. It does not hurt, but it feels really awkward. On my right (healthy) knee the same thing moves in one smooth motion. With simple BW squats I don't notice anything, seems to only occur with weighted squats, and with leg presses.
If it is indeed your biceps femoris tendon:
http://drrobertlaprademd.com/snapping-hamstrings-pain
If it doesn't hurt then I wouldn't be worried about it... because the alternative seems to be surgery.
I've personally never heard of the biceps fem snapping until now and looking it up.
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Does anyone have any experience with exertion headaches? (Was doing a Squat and suddenly BAM killer headache from the left side of the back of my neck to the top of my head)Got one 2 days ago and its so annoying not being able to workout, plus the pain lingers on. AFAIK Im supposed to rest it out but any tips would help.
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On May 23 2013 23:13 skindzer wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with exertion headaches? (Was doing a Squat and suddenly BAM killer headache from the left side of the back of my neck to the top of my head)Got one 2 days ago and its so annoying not being able to workout, plus the pain lingers on. AFAIK Im supposed to rest it out but any tips would help.
Yeah it's a bitch. Focus on keeping your neck completely neutral at all times (incl. when you sleep) but the only solution is to rest it out and avoid any exercises that trigger it for a few weeks.
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I used to get this as well, whenever I squatted it felt like someone was stabbing my head with a fucking knife. Those headaches lasted almost the entire day and completely fucked me over. I'm not 100% sure where it came from but I think it's tension in the neck/trap muscles and the bar hitting pressure points on your traps.
Try massaging/foam rolling the muscles near your head, neck and traps and stretch all those muscles down to your biceps and make sure you're doing the valsalva movement right. Check elliot's take on it out.
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Thanks a lot! Will check them out :3
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This doesn't have much to do with an injury, but sometimes all the blood rushes to my head and I feel very faint (I think a lot of people have this and it's fairly common), but today when I was doing OHP I picked up the dumbbells and all the blood rushed to my head and I felt like I was going to pass out.
Should I be worried about anything if this is the first time it's happened to me while working out, or is it just not big deal?
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This could be caused by containing the pressure in your head rather than your torso after the valsalva movement. Allow me to quote SS talking about the press:
You will have to take a new breath before each rep, at least for a while, or you risk a
"blackout" at heavier weights. Vasovagal syncope is the term applied to a blackout or fainting. It can
be caused by a sympathetic/parasympathetic nervous system response to 1) pressure on the neck
from the bar, 2) the shrugged lockout position, and/or 3) the general effects of the anterior bar
position's load on the vascular structure in the neck that is known as the carotid sinus. Pressure
applied to the carotid sinus by any of these three mechanisms can produce a blackout in susceptible
people by reducing the heart rate at exactly the wrong time (interestingly enough, this seldom
happens in women). The phenomenon is not directly related to the Valsalva itself because a loaded
Valsalva is not a problem for healthy people in the squat, bench press, or deadlift, in which the
loaded Valsalva results in increased blood flow to the brain. The chances of a blackout happening
increases markedly if you do not release the pressure between each rep by taking a new breath.
Blackouts under the bar can be a problem because if you fall, your weight room
surroundings are never a comfortable place to land in a big heap with a loaded barbell. The press
and the rack position of the clean are the only two places that blacking out is usually a problem, so
be prepared if it happens. You will feel a change in perception before the event occurs. If possible,
rack or drop the bar. If the feeling persists or gets worse (your knees will begin to wobble), take a
knee so you'll have a shorter distance to fall. The blackout itself is harmless and will pass in a few
seconds with no lasting effects; the fall is the problem, so be careful.
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Okay, so I guess I successfully managed to fucking injure myself again :D
To be honest, I should have known better. But here is what happened:
I went to the gym with slight pain in the right shoulder (which in my opinion is what triggered the new injury) yesterday. Did some front squats followed by deadlifts. I went fairly light on the deadlifts doing only 100kg, a couple of things to note I did differently that day
Slight shoulder pain on the right side
Lower weight but more emphasis on performing the lift faster
After gripping the bar I made a conscious effort to externally rotate my shoulders
I think the latter 2 things wouldn't even have mattered if it wasn't for that slight shoulder pain. Anyway, so here's the deal:
http://i.imgur.com/QXw1aOu.jpg
I somehow ended up with pain in the diaphragm on the right side. It didn't feel like much at first so I still finished my whole workout. Later that day it got a little worse. I gotta mention that the center of pain slightly shifted a bit from yesterday to today.
Yesterday when I sucked my belly in and tried to reach for underneath the ribcage the edge of my ribs would really hurt. I'm fairly certain organs are not caught in the process, it feels more like the muscles surrounding the area. When I replicate the deadlift position I get the same pain again especially when I brace my core and flex my lats (that makes it a lot worse as well).
Today the center of pain rather seems to be on top of the ribs and not beneath it, but I think the diaphragm still hurts a bit. Somewhere in the location there's also the origin of the lat and I think it's kinda involved in the whole area as well.
My guess is it's just some diaphragm/intercostal muscle pull and I'll just have to wait it out. Applied some tiger balm already. I think due to the shoulder pain on the same side some muscles tried to overcompensate and somehow my lat ended up fucking my ribs or the muscles in that area out of position (if that makes sense).
What do you think? I'm guessing no gym for the entire next week as I can't even get into a squat now as is, bending over hurts a bit as well, I can still do long lever planks without any pain though. I should have known better..
edit: just got back from the doctor (orthopedist). he didn't bother doing an xray, he didn't know what a deadlift is and basically told me that I probably pulled a muscle, like I didn't know that.
This is why I can't be assed to go to the hospital anymore..
On the bright side tho he said it's not possible one of my ribs is out of alignment and since he didn't xray I guess a broken rib seems unlikely as well and hernias are typically in the groin region. More than likely a pulled muscle, it just pisses me off cuz I wanted to work really hard next week :/
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Likely a pulled muscle.
Maybe not a dislocated rib, but it could be a rib out of place in the sense that it slightly shifted, but usually that manifests as more pain along the sternum or at the back where the articulation of the rib/cartilage to the sternum or the spine are at.
In any case, bummer
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