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On June 06 2012 04:06 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 06:15 mordek wrote:On April 25 2012 01:15 eshlow wrote:On April 25 2012 00:55 mordek wrote:Knee pain. [spoiler] 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/shA8z.jpg) 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. Didn't bother me during squats or deadlift but is sore afterwards. It bothers me when I go into third world squat. + Show Spoiler +3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Out of those options sharp. Similar to the discomfort when stretching really hard but more inside me knee.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
2-3
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
I've noticed this discomfort before but hadn't thought to post anything until now. I would say it's been weeks but isn't always present.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Yes weeks.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Feels like inside the knee on the back.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Stretching, foam rolling.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Rest, it seems to be worse post-workout days.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
My calf feels looser than in the past since starting to roll/massage. Hamstrings are harder to gauge for me but are suspect.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
I don't remember feeling it when I showed people how to get down in third world squat yesterday but it bothered me at work later on.
12. Any previous injury history?
Reconstructed ACL knee. Meniscus bucket handle tear iirc.
13. How's your posture?
Ok.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
SS/SL 3x a week, volleyball, basketball, softball, ultimate frisbee each about once a week.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
Yes, the back of my hips have been bothering me as well and I think it might be related. I'm thinking SI joint based on your articles. I did my heaviest deadlift ever yesterday as well. When I pull my foot to my butt I can only get it to within 2 inches and this has been the case since tearing my ACL. When I do this I feel the pain in the back of my knee on the lateral side(?). The other side can touch. I'm kind of wondering if this is just what I have to deal with having a post-surgery knee. For the knee I would get it checked by a PT. It doesn't sound like anything is horribly wrong, but your meniscus is probably stuck a bit posteriorly it seems. If it's something simple as getting stuck, theres some techniques that can be done to help get it into the correct position again in a couple minutes. Would also be a good time to get the hip checked too if you think it's SI. Did some stretching and the SI door frame push thing you had posted (didn't feel anything change but don't know...) and hip feels better. Knee feels worse today after lifting  Guess I'll have to make an appt for a PT. Edit: During ultimate frisbee hips hurt again. Not so much after. Knee was ok but still hurts in deep squat, no lifting Friday? So the dull pain has kinda come and gone and I cut out DL and PC from my lifting just to rest it. Deadlift was when I noticed it the most. Did the Warrior Dash thing Sunday... no issues. Play ultimate last night, think I jarred my lower back/hip and now I'm in pain ranging from 2-4/10. Spoke with a trainer friend and he thinks I may have bruised one of my discs. Thoughts/advice? He recommended rest (which i figured, sad panda) and some prone extension exercises. Also, no rotational issues, basically flexion = bringing my knee to my chest is really painful after thigh reaches parallel if I'm standing.
What mobility stuff in the spinal part here hurts and what helps?
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/
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On June 06 2012 09:40 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 04:06 mordek wrote:On April 26 2012 06:15 mordek wrote:On April 25 2012 01:15 eshlow wrote:On April 25 2012 00:55 mordek wrote:Knee pain. [spoiler] 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. Didn't bother me during squats or deadlift but is sore afterwards. It bothers me when I go into third world squat. + Show Spoiler +3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Out of those options sharp. Similar to the discomfort when stretching really hard but more inside me knee.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
2-3
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
I've noticed this discomfort before but hadn't thought to post anything until now. I would say it's been weeks but isn't always present.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Yes weeks.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Feels like inside the knee on the back.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Stretching, foam rolling.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Rest, it seems to be worse post-workout days.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
My calf feels looser than in the past since starting to roll/massage. Hamstrings are harder to gauge for me but are suspect.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
I don't remember feeling it when I showed people how to get down in third world squat yesterday but it bothered me at work later on.
12. Any previous injury history?
Reconstructed ACL knee. Meniscus bucket handle tear iirc.
13. How's your posture?
Ok.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
SS/SL 3x a week, volleyball, basketball, softball, ultimate frisbee each about once a week.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
Yes, the back of my hips have been bothering me as well and I think it might be related. I'm thinking SI joint based on your articles. I did my heaviest deadlift ever yesterday as well. When I pull my foot to my butt I can only get it to within 2 inches and this has been the case since tearing my ACL. When I do this I feel the pain in the back of my knee on the lateral side(?). The other side can touch. I'm kind of wondering if this is just what I have to deal with having a post-surgery knee. For the knee I would get it checked by a PT. It doesn't sound like anything is horribly wrong, but your meniscus is probably stuck a bit posteriorly it seems. If it's something simple as getting stuck, theres some techniques that can be done to help get it into the correct position again in a couple minutes. Would also be a good time to get the hip checked too if you think it's SI. Did some stretching and the SI door frame push thing you had posted (didn't feel anything change but don't know...) and hip feels better. Knee feels worse today after lifting Guess I'll have to make an appt for a PT. Edit: During ultimate frisbee hips hurt again. Not so much after. Knee was ok but still hurts in deep squat, no lifting Friday? So the dull pain has kinda come and gone and I cut out DL and PC from my lifting just to rest it. Deadlift was when I noticed it the most. Did the Warrior Dash thing Sunday... no issues. Play ultimate last night, think I jarred my lower back/hip and now I'm in pain ranging from 2-4/10. Spoke with a trainer friend and he thinks I may have bruised one of my discs. Thoughts/advice? He recommended rest (which i figured, sad panda) and some prone extension exercises. Also, no rotational issues, basically flexion = bringing my knee to my chest is really painful after thigh reaches parallel if I'm standing. What mobility stuff in the spinal part here hurts and what helps? http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/
McKenzie - I was doing some of these earlier. Doesn't hurt.
Cat-Camel - No pain in extension, pain in flexion
Bird-Dog - I was surprised these felt good
Glute bridges - Fine at first, started to hurt after a few reps
Side bridges - Felt good
I did not try the reverse hyperextensions.
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I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there?
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I play ultimate frisbee competitively
we were playing in a 2-day (weekend) tournament and then played again on another 2-day tournament the next weekend. after that i felt pain in my knees when i stand up, jump or run. i kept feeling my knees and found a bump below each knee cap (im not sure if they are called knee caps) and went to the bone doctor and i was diagnosed of osgood-schlatter's disease/syndrome and told me to rest for 6 weeks. (went to the doctor 2~3 months ago)
i researched about it and found out it usually happens when your growing up (puberty) but im 21 right now. i became paranoid and thought if i aggravate my condition i might never play again. anybody experienced osgood-schlatter's?
how did you deal with it?
should i take extra precautions or more 'heavy' warm ups?
my research told me that the bumps on my knees where bones that got deformed, did i had the chance to grow taller? (im 5'6~7)
my knees are back to normal now but sometimes pain comes after a day of playing.
does that mean i can't be more..explosive(for the lack of a better term) in playing?
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On June 06 2012 15:19 icystorage wrote:
I play ultimate frisbee competitively
we were playing in a 2-day (weekend) tournament and then played again on another 2-day tournament the next weekend. after that i felt pain in my knees when i stand up, jump or run. i kept feeling my knees and found a bump below each knee cap (im not sure if they are called knee caps) and went to the bone doctor and i was diagnosed of osgood-schlatter's disease/syndrome and told me to rest for 6 weeks. (went to the doctor 2~3 months ago)
i researched about it and found out it usually happens when your growing up (puberty) but im 21 right now. i became paranoid and thought if i aggravate my condition i might never play again. anybody experienced osgood-schlatter's?
how did you deal with it?
should i take extra precautions or more 'heavy' warm ups?
my research told me that the bumps on my knees where bones that got deformed, did i had the chance to grow taller? (im 5'6~7)
my knees are back to normal now but sometimes pain comes after a day of playing.
does that mean i can't be more..explosive(for the lack of a better term) in playing?
Send a PM to Deadeight, he's mentioned having the condition in the past.
On June 06 2012 14:30 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there?
Have you looked into "barefoot" running? Vibram's etc. For some people changing to that makes the difference.
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On June 06 2012 20:22 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 14:30 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there? Have you looked into "barefoot" running? Vibram's etc. For some people changing to that makes the difference.
Yeah, I do most of my training barefoot. I believe it's better than regular trainers but I can't do road time trials or races barefoot.
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On June 07 2012 03:13 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 20:22 mordek wrote:On June 06 2012 14:30 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there? Have you looked into "barefoot" running? Vibram's etc. For some people changing to that makes the difference. Yeah, I do most of my training barefoot. I believe it's better than regular trainers but I can't do road time trials or races barefoot.
Have you made sure that you've let it heal completely when you take time off? Really sucky situation Eshlow will know better I'm sure, but I work in the orthopedics field and surgery sounds drastic for your situation... hopefully there's something else you can do preventively.
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On June 06 2012 14:30 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there?
Do you run heel-toe?
If so, you should change.
If you're not outside a lot take vitamin D and make sure you are getting enough calcium and magnesium. Mg is needed for the Ca to deposit correctly as is vitamin D.
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On June 06 2012 15:19 icystorage wrote:
I play ultimate frisbee competitively
we were playing in a 2-day (weekend) tournament and then played again on another 2-day tournament the next weekend. after that i felt pain in my knees when i stand up, jump or run. i kept feeling my knees and found a bump below each knee cap (im not sure if they are called knee caps) and went to the bone doctor and i was diagnosed of osgood-schlatter's disease/syndrome and told me to rest for 6 weeks. (went to the doctor 2~3 months ago)
i researched about it and found out it usually happens when your growing up (puberty) but im 21 right now. i became paranoid and thought if i aggravate my condition i might never play again. anybody experienced osgood-schlatter's?
how did you deal with it?
should i take extra precautions or more 'heavy' warm ups?
my research told me that the bumps on my knees where bones that got deformed, did i had the chance to grow taller? (im 5'6~7)
my knees are back to normal now but sometimes pain comes after a day of playing.
does that mean i can't be more..explosive(for the lack of a better term) in playing?
I still have it as an adult, and had Osgood as a kid.
It's something that really only resolves with enough rest, non-painful mobility/stretching, and good nutrition (make sure you're getting enough vitamin D, magnesium and calcium).
Heavy warmups would likely aggravate it.
No, the tibial tuberosity is where the bones got deformed, and are not associated with growth....
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On June 07 2012 06:46 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 15:19 icystorage wrote:
I play ultimate frisbee competitively
we were playing in a 2-day (weekend) tournament and then played again on another 2-day tournament the next weekend. after that i felt pain in my knees when i stand up, jump or run. i kept feeling my knees and found a bump below each knee cap (im not sure if they are called knee caps) and went to the bone doctor and i was diagnosed of osgood-schlatter's disease/syndrome and told me to rest for 6 weeks. (went to the doctor 2~3 months ago)
i researched about it and found out it usually happens when your growing up (puberty) but im 21 right now. i became paranoid and thought if i aggravate my condition i might never play again. anybody experienced osgood-schlatter's?
how did you deal with it?
should i take extra precautions or more 'heavy' warm ups?
my research told me that the bumps on my knees where bones that got deformed, did i had the chance to grow taller? (im 5'6~7)
my knees are back to normal now but sometimes pain comes after a day of playing.
does that mean i can't be more..explosive(for the lack of a better term) in playing?
I still have it as an adult, and had Osgood as a kid. It's something that really only resolves with enough rest, non-painful mobility/stretching, and good nutrition (make sure you're getting enough vitamin D, magnesium and calcium). Heavy warmups would likely aggravate it. No, the tibial tuberosity is where the bones got deformed, and are not associated with growth....
aw thanks! it gave me some insights on the condition 
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On June 07 2012 06:38 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 14:30 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there? Do you run heel-toe? If so, you should change. If you're not outside a lot take vitamin D and make sure you are getting enough calcium and magnesium. Mg is needed for the Ca to deposit correctly as is vitamin D.
No I used to but I changed to midfoot and I even have shoes that help to midfoot strike. I do get outside a decent amount because I train outdoors. I have a pretty good diet and take a good multivitamin as well.
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On June 07 2012 11:56 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 06:38 eshlow wrote:On June 06 2012 14:30 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there? Do you run heel-toe? If so, you should change. If you're not outside a lot take vitamin D and make sure you are getting enough calcium and magnesium. Mg is needed for the Ca to deposit correctly as is vitamin D. No I used to but I changed to midfoot and I even have shoes that help to midfoot strike. I do get outside a decent amount because I train outdoors. I have a pretty good diet and take a good multivitamin as well.
Did the injury occur after the change in form? If so that could be one place to look.
Another good (well...potentially good) place to ask is letsrun. While it is a crapshoot whether you'll get good advice or randomly get trolled to oblivion is always up in there air but you've got a lot of fast people training seriously all in one place and usually there are a number of people that have had a particular injury.
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On June 07 2012 13:55 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 11:56 AirbladeOrange wrote:On June 07 2012 06:38 eshlow wrote:On June 06 2012 14:30 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there? Do you run heel-toe? If so, you should change. If you're not outside a lot take vitamin D and make sure you are getting enough calcium and magnesium. Mg is needed for the Ca to deposit correctly as is vitamin D. No I used to but I changed to midfoot and I even have shoes that help to midfoot strike. I do get outside a decent amount because I train outdoors. I have a pretty good diet and take a good multivitamin as well. Did the injury occur after the change in form? If so that could be one place to look. Another good (well...potentially good) place to ask is letsrun. While it is a crapshoot whether you'll get good advice or randomly get trolled to oblivion is always up in there air but you've got a lot of fast people training seriously all in one place and usually there are a number of people that have had a particular injury.
Nah, this issue has plagued me years before I changed my foot strike. I have only gone on LetsRun a few times in my life. It's just a clusterfuck forum with no organization or posting standards. The opposite of TL, haha. I haven't thought of that and since I'm getting quite desperate I'll probably do that. Thanks for the idea.
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On June 07 2012 14:23 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 13:55 L_Master wrote:On June 07 2012 11:56 AirbladeOrange wrote:On June 07 2012 06:38 eshlow wrote:On June 06 2012 14:30 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there? Do you run heel-toe? If so, you should change. If you're not outside a lot take vitamin D and make sure you are getting enough calcium and magnesium. Mg is needed for the Ca to deposit correctly as is vitamin D. No I used to but I changed to midfoot and I even have shoes that help to midfoot strike. I do get outside a decent amount because I train outdoors. I have a pretty good diet and take a good multivitamin as well. Did the injury occur after the change in form? If so that could be one place to look. Another good (well...potentially good) place to ask is letsrun. While it is a crapshoot whether you'll get good advice or randomly get trolled to oblivion is always up in there air but you've got a lot of fast people training seriously all in one place and usually there are a number of people that have had a particular injury. Nah, this issue has plagued me years before I changed my foot strike. I have only gone on LetsRun a few times in my life. It's just a clusterfuck forum with no organization or posting standards. The opposite of TL, haha. I haven't thought of that and since I'm getting quite desperate I'll probably do that. Thanks for the idea.
Yep. That sounds like LetsRun. Opposite of TL is such a good description to be honest.
Good for front page news about T&F, but usually filled with trolling and often questionable advice. Their are occasional gems of posts/threads but you usually gotta wade through a lot of nonsense and bullshit to find the good threads/posts.
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On June 07 2012 11:56 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 06:38 eshlow wrote:On June 06 2012 14:30 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I've had chronic tibial stress fractures or the kind of pain that has always lead to one from running for about 4 years now. Even when I'm running on 90% soft surfaces and for very low mileage this happens when I try training for something for a few months. It can happen on either leg but it's always the lower tibia. I've gone months without running at all then I try to train for something and it just happens again. Even by taking preventative measures such as soft surface running, slow buildup, calf/ankle/foot strengthening, ect. it happens anyway. Nothing I have done besides stopping running has helped and I'm very worried I can't train anymore.
My question is if there is any sort of medical treatment or procedure to look into. I have read what I could find about Intramedullary nailing and that is one thing. Is there anything else out there? Do you run heel-toe? If so, you should change. If you're not outside a lot take vitamin D and make sure you are getting enough calcium and magnesium. Mg is needed for the Ca to deposit correctly as is vitamin D. No I used to but I changed to midfoot and I even have shoes that help to midfoot strike. I do get outside a decent amount because I train outdoors. I have a pretty good diet and take a good multivitamin as well.
Types of shoes to help certain types of running styles actually don't help with injuries. I'm not sure if they help with facilitating different types of striking patterns though but my bet would be no.
Can you go through the set of questions in the OP, especially the google marked pic and tell me what phase of the stride the area hurts on that would give me a better idea.
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On June 06 2012 11:33 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:40 eshlow wrote:On June 06 2012 04:06 mordek wrote:On April 26 2012 06:15 mordek wrote:On April 25 2012 01:15 eshlow wrote:On April 25 2012 00:55 mordek wrote:Knee pain. [spoiler] 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. Didn't bother me during squats or deadlift but is sore afterwards. It bothers me when I go into third world squat. + Show Spoiler +3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Out of those options sharp. Similar to the discomfort when stretching really hard but more inside me knee.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
2-3
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
I've noticed this discomfort before but hadn't thought to post anything until now. I would say it's been weeks but isn't always present.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Yes weeks.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Feels like inside the knee on the back.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Stretching, foam rolling.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Rest, it seems to be worse post-workout days.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
My calf feels looser than in the past since starting to roll/massage. Hamstrings are harder to gauge for me but are suspect.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
I don't remember feeling it when I showed people how to get down in third world squat yesterday but it bothered me at work later on.
12. Any previous injury history?
Reconstructed ACL knee. Meniscus bucket handle tear iirc.
13. How's your posture?
Ok.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
SS/SL 3x a week, volleyball, basketball, softball, ultimate frisbee each about once a week.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
Yes, the back of my hips have been bothering me as well and I think it might be related. I'm thinking SI joint based on your articles. I did my heaviest deadlift ever yesterday as well. When I pull my foot to my butt I can only get it to within 2 inches and this has been the case since tearing my ACL. When I do this I feel the pain in the back of my knee on the lateral side(?). The other side can touch. I'm kind of wondering if this is just what I have to deal with having a post-surgery knee. For the knee I would get it checked by a PT. It doesn't sound like anything is horribly wrong, but your meniscus is probably stuck a bit posteriorly it seems. If it's something simple as getting stuck, theres some techniques that can be done to help get it into the correct position again in a couple minutes. Would also be a good time to get the hip checked too if you think it's SI. Did some stretching and the SI door frame push thing you had posted (didn't feel anything change but don't know...) and hip feels better. Knee feels worse today after lifting Guess I'll have to make an appt for a PT. Edit: During ultimate frisbee hips hurt again. Not so much after. Knee was ok but still hurts in deep squat, no lifting Friday? So the dull pain has kinda come and gone and I cut out DL and PC from my lifting just to rest it. Deadlift was when I noticed it the most. Did the Warrior Dash thing Sunday... no issues. Play ultimate last night, think I jarred my lower back/hip and now I'm in pain ranging from 2-4/10. Spoke with a trainer friend and he thinks I may have bruised one of my discs. Thoughts/advice? He recommended rest (which i figured, sad panda) and some prone extension exercises. Also, no rotational issues, basically flexion = bringing my knee to my chest is really painful after thigh reaches parallel if I'm standing. What mobility stuff in the spinal part here hurts and what helps? http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ McKenzie - I was doing some of these earlier. Doesn't hurt. Cat-Camel - No pain in extension, pain in flexion Bird-Dog - I was surprised these felt good Glute bridges - Fine at first, started to hurt after a few reps Side bridges - Felt good I did not try the reverse hyperextensions.
Should I be taking ibuprofen are staying away from the anti-inflammatories? I know you said something about them inhibiting healing.
I'm planning on going to the gym and only do things that won't compress my back and are pain free. Any suggestions? I'm going to be relegated to machines for most things Thinking bench, pullup/chinup, dips, lying hamstring curl, i think there's some dumb thing you pull backwards with your chest against a pad for back... I was able to PR on bench 3x5 without any issues which is encouraging.
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On June 07 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 11:33 mordek wrote:On June 06 2012 09:40 eshlow wrote:On June 06 2012 04:06 mordek wrote:On April 26 2012 06:15 mordek wrote:On April 25 2012 01:15 eshlow wrote:On April 25 2012 00:55 mordek wrote:Knee pain. [spoiler] 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. Didn't bother me during squats or deadlift but is sore afterwards. It bothers me when I go into third world squat. + Show Spoiler +3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Out of those options sharp. Similar to the discomfort when stretching really hard but more inside me knee.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
2-3
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
I've noticed this discomfort before but hadn't thought to post anything until now. I would say it's been weeks but isn't always present.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Yes weeks.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Feels like inside the knee on the back.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Stretching, foam rolling.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Rest, it seems to be worse post-workout days.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
My calf feels looser than in the past since starting to roll/massage. Hamstrings are harder to gauge for me but are suspect.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
I don't remember feeling it when I showed people how to get down in third world squat yesterday but it bothered me at work later on.
12. Any previous injury history?
Reconstructed ACL knee. Meniscus bucket handle tear iirc.
13. How's your posture?
Ok.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
SS/SL 3x a week, volleyball, basketball, softball, ultimate frisbee each about once a week.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
Yes, the back of my hips have been bothering me as well and I think it might be related. I'm thinking SI joint based on your articles. I did my heaviest deadlift ever yesterday as well. When I pull my foot to my butt I can only get it to within 2 inches and this has been the case since tearing my ACL. When I do this I feel the pain in the back of my knee on the lateral side(?). The other side can touch. I'm kind of wondering if this is just what I have to deal with having a post-surgery knee. For the knee I would get it checked by a PT. It doesn't sound like anything is horribly wrong, but your meniscus is probably stuck a bit posteriorly it seems. If it's something simple as getting stuck, theres some techniques that can be done to help get it into the correct position again in a couple minutes. Would also be a good time to get the hip checked too if you think it's SI. Did some stretching and the SI door frame push thing you had posted (didn't feel anything change but don't know...) and hip feels better. Knee feels worse today after lifting Guess I'll have to make an appt for a PT. Edit: During ultimate frisbee hips hurt again. Not so much after. Knee was ok but still hurts in deep squat, no lifting Friday? So the dull pain has kinda come and gone and I cut out DL and PC from my lifting just to rest it. Deadlift was when I noticed it the most. Did the Warrior Dash thing Sunday... no issues. Play ultimate last night, think I jarred my lower back/hip and now I'm in pain ranging from 2-4/10. Spoke with a trainer friend and he thinks I may have bruised one of my discs. Thoughts/advice? He recommended rest (which i figured, sad panda) and some prone extension exercises. Also, no rotational issues, basically flexion = bringing my knee to my chest is really painful after thigh reaches parallel if I'm standing. What mobility stuff in the spinal part here hurts and what helps? http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ McKenzie - I was doing some of these earlier. Doesn't hurt. Cat-Camel - No pain in extension, pain in flexion Bird-Dog - I was surprised these felt good Glute bridges - Fine at first, started to hurt after a few reps Side bridges - Felt good I did not try the reverse hyperextensions. Should I be taking ibuprofen are staying away from the anti-inflammatories? I know you said something about them inhibiting healing. I'm planning on going to the gym and only do things that won't compress my back and are pain free. Any suggestions? I'm going to be relegated to machines for most things Thinking bench, pullup/chinup, dips, lying hamstring curl, i think there's some dumb thing you pull backwards with your chest against a pad for back... I was able to PR on bench 3x5 without any issues which is encouraging.
Go with tylenol / acetaminophen if you're worried.
Your plan sounds good.
Any of the exercises that felt good -- keep doing them. Retraining the musculature to activate well without pain is a good thing.
When anything gets in pain, the body starts to drop activation to the muscles so it can start weird compensation patterns and whatnot. Thus, it's good to get the body moving with non-painful ROM especially if it is actually stabilizing the area and making it feel better.
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On June 06 2012 15:19 icystorage wrote:
I play ultimate frisbee competitively
we were playing in a 2-day (weekend) tournament and then played again on another 2-day tournament the next weekend. after that i felt pain in my knees when i stand up, jump or run. i kept feeling my knees and found a bump below each knee cap (im not sure if they are called knee caps) and went to the bone doctor and i was diagnosed of osgood-schlatter's disease/syndrome and told me to rest for 6 weeks. (went to the doctor 2~3 months ago)
i researched about it and found out it usually happens when your growing up (puberty) but im 21 right now. i became paranoid and thought if i aggravate my condition i might never play again. anybody experienced osgood-schlatter's?
how did you deal with it?
should i take extra precautions or more 'heavy' warm ups?
my research told me that the bumps on my knees where bones that got deformed, did i had the chance to grow taller? (im 5'6~7)
my knees are back to normal now but sometimes pain comes after a day of playing.
does that mean i can't be more..explosive(for the lack of a better term) in playing?
As mordek said I had/have this.
It's completely fine now, but I have stopped running. It was running that had aggravated it in the first place. I iced it, which is difficult due its location below the knee, but I managed to strap a bag of peas to them alternately so I could still walk/sit. Any weights were fine to do after a short rest, and I still play rugby once/twice a week but I keep running to a minimum. I get my cardio from cycling, which has caused no problems at all.
It really was just running, I've been perfect since I stopped. Also, don't poke it or try to massage it as I found this just made it worse.
And also what eshlow said, he knows infinitely more than me.
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The pain is just to the left of the centre of the forearm on my left arm.
2. If I clench my fist above my head and pull my arm down, as though I were to be doing a pullup, after this I have numbness but slight tenderness just above the pointed part of my elbow.
3. Stabbing pain, and then tingling for a bit after doing the motion.
4. Would honestly rate it about an 8, if it were to be a constant pain I wouldn't be here typing this!
5. I literally just noticed the pain, have never experienced it whilst doing exercises that use that motion, so it could only have started very recently, or exercise doesn't cause the pain
6. As I said above, never noticed it before, so potentially been training through the pain for months, or maybe never.
7. I can feel the tendon below the skin very clearly, and it feels that is what is causing the pain.
8. N/A
9. Don't notice it most of the time, only that motion that makes it hurt.
10. Just that tendon on the forearm that is tender, as well as that part of my elbow.
11. Never noticed it after exercise.
12. Tennis elbow in that arm, had it for almost a year, but trained through it. It has been gone for about 3 months now with no pain whatsoever.
13. I imagine not fantastic.
14. I do a lot of rock climbing, training 3-4 times a week. Recently started doing some shoulder stability exercises.
15. My shoulder on the same side as the pain does not move smoothly when i rotate it in a circular shrugging motion. I saw a physio a year ago about this and they said it should go away with time, but I havn't noticed any change in this time.
Any help would be appreciated. I have exams starting this weekend so I won't have time to see anyone about it for a bit, so I thought I would just see if anyone else has experienced anything similar. Thanks
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On June 14 2012 22:36 shawty wrote:PictureThe pain is just to the left of the centre of the forearm on my left arm. 2. If I clench my fist above my head and pull my arm down, as though I were to be doing a pullup, after this I have numbness but slight tenderness just above the pointed part of my elbow. 3. Stabbing pain, and then tingling for a bit after doing the motion. 4. Would honestly rate it about an 8, if it were to be a constant pain I wouldn't be here typing this! + Show Spoiler +5. I literally just noticed the pain, have never experienced it whilst doing exercises that use that motion, so it could only have started very recently, or exercise doesn't cause the pain 6. As I said above, never noticed it before, so potentially been training through the pain for months, or maybe never. 7. I can feel the tendon below the skin very clearly, and it feels that is what is causing the pain. 8. N/A 9. Don't notice it most of the time, only that motion that makes it hurt. 10. Just that tendon on the forearm that is tender, as well as that part of my elbow. 11. Never noticed it after exercise. 12. Tennis elbow in that arm, had it for almost a year, but trained through it. It has been gone for about 3 months now with no pain whatsoever. 13. I imagine not fantastic. 14. I do a lot of rock climbing, training 3-4 times a week. Recently started doing some shoulder stability exercises. 15. My shoulder on the same side as the pain does not move smoothly when i rotate it in a circular shrugging motion. I saw a physio a year ago about this and they said it should go away with time, but I havn't noticed any change in this time. Any help would be appreciated. I have exams starting this weekend so I won't have time to see anyone about it for a bit, so I thought I would just see if anyone else has experienced anything similar. Thanks
This area?
http://www.3pointproducts.com/Portals/30688/images//GolfersElbowlabel(1).jpg
If so, this article will guide you throw correcting it:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/08/on-tendonitis/
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