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SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-21 18:29:29
June 21 2013 17:59 GMT
#981
Lots of good information in this thread but I disagree with the whole eating dead cooked animals (meat) part.

It has been proven and it is basically common sense that saturated fats, cholesterol from animals, and that dead meat has very little nutritional value and is actually more harmful than you than anything.

I have also been hearing a lot about how some of the paleo gurus are dropping dead from heart attacks and some of them are recommending bacon, eggs, cheeseburgers, and other foods that lack nutritional value and are high in saturated fats.

I have been on a vegan diet for a while now and have never felt better, I think that it's safe to say that meat is basically unnecessary for everyone and anyone would benefit from eliminating meat from their diet.

It was also pretty ridiculous to see some people in this thread saying that high sugar causes heart disease yet they say that cholesterol (mucus) does not even though the Heart Associations recommends diet's that are low in cholesterol/saturated fats.

More people need to use their head/common sense instead of believing in lies.

Whats more natural? Cooking a piece of meat that was killed artificially or picking up a piece of stationary fruit from a fallen tree? I'll let you decide .
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
June 21 2013 19:06 GMT
#982
On June 22 2013 02:59 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Lots of good information in this thread but I disagree with the whole eating dead cooked animals (meat) part.

It has been proven and it is basically common sense that saturated fats, cholesterol from animals, and that dead meat has very little nutritional value and is actually more harmful than you than anything.

I have also been hearing a lot about how some of the paleo gurus are dropping dead from heart attacks and some of them are recommending bacon, eggs, cheeseburgers, and other foods that lack nutritional value and are high in saturated fats.

I have been on a vegan diet for a while now and have never felt better, I think that it's safe to say that meat is basically unnecessary for everyone and anyone would benefit from eliminating meat from their diet.

It was also pretty ridiculous to see some people in this thread saying that high sugar causes heart disease yet they say that cholesterol (mucus) does not even though the Heart Associations recommends diet's that are low in cholesterol/saturated fats.

More people need to use their head/common sense instead of believing in lies.

Whats more natural? Cooking a piece of meat that was killed artificially or picking up a piece of stationary fruit from a fallen tree? I'll let you decide .


The meat obviously.... Also don't you cook like a shitton of veggies as well? And they used to be alive. Just brainless but alive nonetheless. You like picking on the brainless son? Hue

But seriously; meat is good for you. You say it lacks nutritional value while it's are actually full of it. The big problem with fats is not that theyre low nutrinional value (like lol really, go read up on your human physiology) it's the overconsumption of them (and the consumption of "meat" thats just garbage). A textbook example of everything being toxic in sufficiently high amounts.

One thing i'll give vegetarians and vegans is this; they've become aware of what they eat.
A leap away from processed foods and towards unprocessed fresh food will do amazing things for your health.

ps
EGGS BAD U MAD?
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 21 2013 19:36 GMT
#983
Agreed that meat in unecessary, but it's definitely more convenient I'd say. It takes some education to be able to properly eat vegan style, more so than just sticking to natural food.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the paleo gurus just went overboard with red meat and stuff like that. If you're so well informed you probably know there are a lot of factors to consider besides "he died because he ate a steack".

Ps : he's probably not mad at eggs being bad, he's vegan, not vegetarian. The worst kind, some would say :-D
DrCooper
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany261 Posts
June 21 2013 19:37 GMT
#984
On June 22 2013 02:59 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Lots of good information in this thread but I disagree with the whole eating dead cooked animals (meat) part.

It has been proven and it is basically common sense that saturated fats, cholesterol from animals, and that dead meat has very little nutritional value and is actually more harmful than you than anything.

I have also been hearing a lot about how some of the paleo gurus are dropping dead from heart attacks and some of them are recommending bacon, eggs, cheeseburgers, and other foods that lack nutritional value and are high in saturated fats.

I have been on a vegan diet for a while now and have never felt better, I think that it's safe to say that meat is basically unnecessary for everyone and anyone would benefit from eliminating meat from their diet.

It was also pretty ridiculous to see some people in this thread saying that high sugar causes heart disease yet they say that cholesterol (mucus) does not even though the Heart Associations recommends diet's that are low in cholesterol/saturated fats.

More people need to use their head/common sense instead of believing in lies.

Whats more natural? Cooking a piece of meat that was killed artificially or picking up a piece of stationary fruit from a fallen tree? I'll let you decide .

Well, i've heard that a lot of people feel better when they are on a vegan diet. I give you that point.
However, saturated fats are not bad. You NEED them. They are vital to your hormone production. Additionally, eliminating meat doesn't make your diet vegan, but I guess you know that.
To your last point:
What's more natural? A piece of meat that was killed artificially or a plant that was grown artifically, maybe even genetically modified (depends on your place of residence) or pumped up with pesticides? Cause that's basically what today's vegetable and fruits are.
Although, if everyone were a vegan we wouldn't have as much problems with our climate and other things. A Vegan lifestyle is much more sustainable for humans.
Shame I love meat so much.
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
June 21 2013 20:44 GMT
#985
On June 22 2013 04:06 Schwopzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 02:59 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Lots of good information in this thread but I disagree with the whole eating dead cooked animals (meat) part.

It has been proven and it is basically common sense that saturated fats, cholesterol from animals, and that dead meat has very little nutritional value and is actually more harmful than you than anything.

I have also been hearing a lot about how some of the paleo gurus are dropping dead from heart attacks and some of them are recommending bacon, eggs, cheeseburgers, and other foods that lack nutritional value and are high in saturated fats.

I have been on a vegan diet for a while now and have never felt better, I think that it's safe to say that meat is basically unnecessary for everyone and anyone would benefit from eliminating meat from their diet.

It was also pretty ridiculous to see some people in this thread saying that high sugar causes heart disease yet they say that cholesterol (mucus) does not even though the Heart Associations recommends diet's that are low in cholesterol/saturated fats.

More people need to use their head/common sense instead of believing in lies.

Whats more natural? Cooking a piece of meat that was killed artificially or picking up a piece of stationary fruit from a fallen tree? I'll let you decide .


The meat obviously.... Also don't you cook like a shitton of veggies as well? And they used to be alive. Just brainless but alive nonetheless. You like picking on the brainless son? Hue

But seriously; meat is good for you. You say it lacks nutritional value while it's are actually full of it. The big problem with fats is not that theyre low nutrinional value (like lol really, go read up on your human physiology) it's the overconsumption of them (and the consumption of "meat" thats just garbage). A textbook example of everything being toxic in sufficiently high amounts.

One thing i'll give vegetarians and vegans is this; they've become aware of what they eat.
A leap away from processed foods and towards unprocessed fresh food will do amazing things for your health.

ps
EGGS BAD U MAD?


I don't cook my vegetable I eat them raw. The only foods that I cook are sweet potatoes.

Cooked meat has been proven to cause cancer and is bad for you. I never said that fats are bad for you I just said that animal fats are bad for you. Compare the Omega 3 content in a handful of walnuts compared to that of cooked Salmon and you will that the Walnuts have more Omega 3 yet they are much healthier for you and don't have mercury.

Eggs are garbage for you though I don't care what anyone says about the healthy fats in the yolk.....you can get all of those nutritional healthy fats from uncooked cholesterol free nuts such as almonds, walnuts, and other nuts a long with olive oil/avocado's.

I became very health conscious recently actually and the vegan diet is the only one that makes the most sense to me.

My mind just intuitively tells me that natural plant based foods are much better for you (not to mention it has been shown that those that consume less meat live longer) and it is morally, a better diet as well (I don't support the killing of animals).

Humans are the only animals that will kill an animal with an artificial weapon, cook it or leave it sitting around and eat it while it's completely dead whereas an animal such as a black bear will grab the salmon out of the water and eat it while its alive....

I think that it's pure laziness and ignorance that keeps people from obtaining from eating meat.....if I can do it ANYONE can do it.
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
June 21 2013 20:52 GMT
#986
On June 22 2013 04:37 DrCooper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 02:59 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Lots of good information in this thread but I disagree with the whole eating dead cooked animals (meat) part.

It has been proven and it is basically common sense that saturated fats, cholesterol from animals, and that dead meat has very little nutritional value and is actually more harmful than you than anything.

I have also been hearing a lot about how some of the paleo gurus are dropping dead from heart attacks and some of them are recommending bacon, eggs, cheeseburgers, and other foods that lack nutritional value and are high in saturated fats.

I have been on a vegan diet for a while now and have never felt better, I think that it's safe to say that meat is basically unnecessary for everyone and anyone would benefit from eliminating meat from their diet.

It was also pretty ridiculous to see some people in this thread saying that high sugar causes heart disease yet they say that cholesterol (mucus) does not even though the Heart Associations recommends diet's that are low in cholesterol/saturated fats.

More people need to use their head/common sense instead of believing in lies.

Whats more natural? Cooking a piece of meat that was killed artificially or picking up a piece of stationary fruit from a fallen tree? I'll let you decide .

Well, i've heard that a lot of people feel better when they are on a vegan diet. I give you that point.
However, saturated fats are not bad. You NEED them. They are vital to your hormone production. Additionally, eliminating meat doesn't make your diet vegan, but I guess you know that.
To your last point:
What's more natural? A piece of meat that was killed artificially or a plant that was grown artifically, maybe even genetically modified (depends on your place of residence) or pumped up with pesticides? Cause that's basically what today's vegetable and fruits are.
Although, if everyone were a vegan we wouldn't have as much problems with our climate and other things. A Vegan lifestyle is much more sustainable for humans.
Shame I love meat so much.


Honestly, I would rather eat vegetables that are sprayed with pesticides vs eating dead meat that has adrenaline in it's glands that you consume when you eat it that is also acid forming (meat is acid forming, not alkaline).

I also understand that most fruits/veggies that are labeled organic are still sprayed with pesticides which is why I'm trying to get my own garden going but it's still much better than eating meat that has been sitting around dead for a long time and is cooked and devoid of nutrition.

Plants are at least much more nutritious and it's natural to just pick up green vegetables or eat fruit that fell vs a tree that's still alive and vibrant with life/vitamins, enzymes, and antioxidants vs dead cooked meat.....if someones going to eat meat they should eat it raw and uncooked preferably still alive.

I agree that plant based saturated fats are not bad for you but animal based saturated fats that have cholesterol are indeed bad for you.
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 21 2013 21:22 GMT
#987
Hey, how about you make a topic with the basics for going vegan, mostly of course how to properly replace meat, with some links etc ?
I know I "may" have come as an ass with my previous post, but I actually believe vegan/raw diet is the healthier for long term. And as I have all the time I want right now, I'm willing to give it a shot.
You may have just convinced someone...
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-21 23:10:23
June 21 2013 23:06 GMT
#988
On June 22 2013 02:59 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Lots of good information in this thread but I disagree with the whole eating dead cooked animals (meat) part.

It has been proven and it is basically common sense that saturated fats, cholesterol from animals, and that dead meat has very little nutritional value and is actually more harmful than you than anything.

I have also been hearing a lot about how some of the paleo gurus are dropping dead from heart attacks and some of them are recommending bacon, eggs, cheeseburgers, and other foods that lack nutritional value and are high in saturated fats.

I have been on a vegan diet for a while now and have never felt better, I think that it's safe to say that meat is basically unnecessary for everyone and anyone would benefit from eliminating meat from their diet.

It was also pretty ridiculous to see some people in this thread saying that high sugar causes heart disease yet they say that cholesterol (mucus) does not even though the Heart Associations recommends diet's that are low in cholesterol/saturated fats.

More people need to use their head/common sense instead of believing in lies.

Whats more natural? Cooking a piece of meat that was killed artificially or picking up a piece of stationary fruit from a fallen tree? I'll let you decide .

post some evidence please. the op is filled with links to journal articles and research to back up its claims. what you're doing is just making stuff up. anyone can do that. i can make a post saying the exact opposite of what you're saying and i'd have the same amount of credibility that you have (aka none). if no one backs up what they're saying, we end up with a flame war, a shitstorm, and a waste of time.

edit - btw why do you say "dead cooked meat"? people eat raw meat too, and it makes it sound like you're ok with with it when you're clearly not. people also eat non-dead non-cooked meat fyi. besides, saying "dead cooked meat" isn't having the effect you're intending it to have.
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-21 23:55:47
June 21 2013 23:42 GMT
#989
On June 22 2013 06:22 Cynry wrote:
Hey, how about you make a topic with the basics for going vegan, mostly of course how to properly replace meat, with some links etc ?
I know I "may" have come as an ass with my previous post, but I actually believe vegan/raw diet is the healthier for long term. And as I have all the time I want right now, I'm willing to give it a shot.
You may have just convinced someone...


I would if I was more educated on the subject.

I am a noob when it comes to all of the details surrounding the subject so I am not qualified enough to make a thread topic and give out a ton of details.

All that I know is that I eat all of the raw fruits & veggies that I want to, when I want to, and I eat a mixture of nuts to get my fats in a long with my essential fatty acids not to mention that for me, personally, a cup of almonds tastes way better than any cooked meat that I ever had and it's way better for you (almonds & other nuts are very satiable).

Almonds or any nuts in general a long with fresh fruit such as bananas are amazing when it comes to overcoming cravings and they are loaded with minerals, electrolytes, and with the nuts, healthy fats.

You'll never see someone that is fat because all that they ate was nuts & fruit, it just does not happen so I eat all that I crave whereas with a standard diet that I was trying prior to going vegan I had to limit what I ate which led to mood swings and crazy cravings along with binge eating junk processed foods or meat.

I replaced regular milk with almond milk which has more potassium and less than half the calories compared to regular milk not to mention it's cholesterol free and I'll drink that once in a while.

The only advice that I can give you is try out nuts & nut spreads a long with fresh ripe fruit such as bananas when trying to get over those cravings for meat.

I had really bad meat cravings early on when going vegan and I learned that almonds a long with other nuts including peanut butter is great for when you get those cravings for meat and for me they are very satiable and excellent with their high fiber & essential fatty acid contents.

I know of one vegan that cured himself of kidney disease, diabetes, and other issues and he was eating two jars of almond butter a day to get rid of his cravings for meat and he still managed to lose over 200 pounds in the span of 16 months (youtube search dave the raw food trucker) just due to the fact that he was replacing his meat with clean nuts that provide healthy fats and since nuts are hard to digest your body actually burns up calories while digesting them hence why people can eat a ton of nuts and still lose weight.

Nuts are also very satiable and they have many health benefits such as lowering cholesterol and providing your body with the essential fatty acids and they are alkaline whereas cooked meat is primarily acidic in nature (I managed to cure myself of severe acid re-flux by discontinuing my eating of meat & wheat).

Maybe I have found the right diet that works for me but I would have to suggest that you look up some books on going vegan and read/watch the China Study which showed that in non meat eating cultures their heart disease risks are way, way, lower than ours and their diet only consists of around 1% meat and the rest grains such as brown rice a long with veggies, & fruits.

I'd also have to suggest giving up grains as well as for me believe it or not, oatmeal was giving me heartburn and was causing me to gain weight. I decided to give up all grains at that point and now I just eat nuts or nut spreads a long with fruit in between meals when I get cravings.

As for meals, I just eat raw salads sometimes I'll sprinkle in some almonds & cold pressed olive oil. Eating a ton of salad a long with nuts believe it or not keeps me and a lot of other people filled up for long periods of time as they provide the minerals that our body's crave and that meat a lone lacks.

I have found that personally when I started to eat mineral rich foods/meals such as spinach with chopped tomatoes, cucumber, chopped up nuts, and other vegetables, I stayed full and felt great throughout the day because my body was getting the minerals that it needed whereas before I could eat , and eat, and eat, and continue to be hungry because the foods that I ate lacked the minerals that my body was craving.

So it's almost as simple as raw vegetables for the minerals & raw fresh fruits for the energy a long with nuts. Eat as much as you want, you never hear or anyone dying from eating too many fruits or vegetables. I'd also look into juicing if I were you as well.

Eating fruits/vegetables is also easier on the wallet as organic meat is very expensive compared to say 3 bunch's of organic bananas and some organic spinach.

But the evidence is out there that a plant based diet is the best one, The China study is publicly available to my knowledge not to mention you hear about all of these supplements that people that are lacking yet if you look into what the raw fruits & vegetables contain you would see that they contain everything that your body needs + tons more.

As an example, before going vegan I thought that omega 3 was only in flax seeds & fish little did I know that once that I read into it I found out that a handful of walnuts contains more omega 3 than even a whole salmon.

Also, I thought that CoQ10 was a supplement useful for your heart health but that it was not found in any foods (all of the study's that read advertised the supplement but forgot to mention that certain vegetables contain copious amounts of CoQ10), again I learned through research that spinach among other vegetables contain a good amount of CoQ10 & vegetables like Kale contain a ton of calcium, Spirlina & nuts have good raw protein contents, etc, etc.

Also coconut water is one of the best things for you as it's loaded with electrolytes and antioxidants and tastes delicious.

Once that you start to do the research everything starts to make sense......I'm a spiritual person (Pantheist/Buddhist, I believe that nature itself is God) and to me it makes the sense that God gave us the plants & herbs that we need to live on and that meat is not the answer.

Sorry for the rant but I just wanted to give out some advice that might be useful to others looking for tips if they want to go vegan or eat cleaner.....I have nothing but love for everyone including those that eat meat so I don't want this to turn into a huge debate as I believe that everyone is a loving person filled with kindness & love deep within their heart it's just our ignorance that prevents us from being mindful of that.

On June 22 2013 08:06 ieatkids5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 02:59 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Lots of good information in this thread but I disagree with the whole eating dead cooked animals (meat) part.

It has been proven and it is basically common sense that saturated fats, cholesterol from animals, and that dead meat has very little nutritional value and is actually more harmful than you than anything.

I have also been hearing a lot about how some of the paleo gurus are dropping dead from heart attacks and some of them are recommending bacon, eggs, cheeseburgers, and other foods that lack nutritional value and are high in saturated fats.

I have been on a vegan diet for a while now and have never felt better, I think that it's safe to say that meat is basically unnecessary for everyone and anyone would benefit from eliminating meat from their diet.

It was also pretty ridiculous to see some people in this thread saying that high sugar causes heart disease yet they say that cholesterol (mucus) does not even though the Heart Associations recommends diet's that are low in cholesterol/saturated fats.

More people need to use their head/common sense instead of believing in lies.

Whats more natural? Cooking a piece of meat that was killed artificially or picking up a piece of stationary fruit from a fallen tree? I'll let you decide .

post some evidence please. the op is filled with links to journal articles and research to back up its claims. what you're doing is just making stuff up. anyone can do that. i can make a post saying the exact opposite of what you're saying and i'd have the same amount of credibility that you have (aka none). if no one backs up what they're saying, we end up with a flame war, a shitstorm, and a waste of time.

edit - btw why do you say "dead cooked meat"? people eat raw meat too, and it makes it sound like you're ok with with it when you're clearly not. people also eat non-dead non-cooked meat fyi. besides, saying "dead cooked meat" isn't having the effect you're intending it to have.


Wiki up heart disease risks between vegans and meat eaters, also look up The China Study, look into the Heart Association and what they recommend, look at how old that monks (basically mandatory vegetarians) live to be on a pure vegan diet and look at how young people look that follow the vegan diet and how raw juicing a long with a vegan diet has cured many people of their disease including me.

I don't have the time to post "evidence" which could be skewed by the way but personally, after looking deep within myself and seeing how young and full of energy vegans that are doing it right are it only makes sense to go vegan.

Not to mention that even if it was not for the health benefits I would go vegan anyways because I do not believe in the killing of animals when we have the know how to live off of plants not to mention I personally believe that we are no better than any other animal.

Look up the nutritional value of a bowl of spinach vs that of a bowl of meat.......personally you're right I do not believe in any meat consumption from a human being but fruit falls from the tree.......is someone really going to chase down a deer on foot and bite into it's neck, murdering it and then eat it's meat raw whereas you can just eat a piece of fruit or nuts from a tree that doesn't move?

I was not born with a gun in my hand. I am also emotionally more grounded, kinder, nicer, and my energy levels are much greater vs when I ate meat not to mention that my acid re-flux and anxiety issues are gone.

So for me personally, I'm not trying to convince others to go vegan, a human being asked me for some advice and I gave it.

I have nothing but love for anyone and I will not allow myself to get into a flame war as I will just refrain from posting in here if it comes down to that as I don't need that negativity....if someone feels like they want to know more the research is out there and research aside it's the morally right thing to do.

All the best to you and your family.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
June 22 2013 01:56 GMT
#990
Skim trough your post, no time but as an avid meat eater gonna post some cliffs:

-The China Study blows. It's been debunked multiple times, links are somewhere here.
-Your friend stoped being diabetic because he lost 200 pounds, not because he stop eating meat (correlation =/= causation)
-You need B12 vitamins and something else I can't remember if you don't eat meat. There is a news of a mother charged with murder because she was a vegan and her baby DIED from B12 deficiency (no b12 for baby trough milk)
-You need fat, cholesterol and vit D to produce test and be strong and manly. There are no REAL athletes other than mac danzig who are vegans.

But as someone else said, post links and start a vegan thread, lots of stuff we can learn from that.
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 03:45:35
June 22 2013 03:41 GMT
#991
On June 22 2013 10:56 GoTuNk! wrote:
Skim trough your post, no time but as an avid meat eater gonna post some cliffs:

-The China Study blows. It's been debunked multiple times, links are somewhere here.
-Your friend stoped being diabetic because he lost 200 pounds, not because he stop eating meat (correlation =/= causation)
-You need B12 vitamins and something else I can't remember if you don't eat meat. There is a news of a mother charged with murder because she was a vegan and her baby DIED from B12 deficiency (no b12 for baby trough milk)
-You need fat, cholesterol and vit D to produce test and be strong and manly. There are no REAL athletes other than mac danzig who are vegans.

But as someone else said, post links and start a vegan thread, lots of stuff we can learn from that.


I'm sorry you feel that way about The China Study but I'm sure that all of the Paleo studies have been debunked by Vegans as well.....it goes both ways. Science has become a political tool and has been used as a trump card by all parties for some time now.

#1. He got off his diabetic medication within a few days because he only drank green vegetable juices it wasn't just the weight loss.

#2. B12 vitamins can be supplemented and I live with a meat eater that has to get a B12 shot because shes deficient yet shes a meat eater. There are a ton of meat eaters that need B12 shots......some supplements are useful and B12 deficiency's has more to do with the soil being depleted vs anything else. Some vegans are B12 defecient while some are not....same with meat eaters.....the key is supplementing.

#3. Vitamin D you get from the sun......that or you can take a vitamin D3 supplement which most suggest to everyone especially those that suffer from SAD (even meat eaters need D3 when there's a lack of sunlight).

#4. Cholesterol is naturally produced by the body and fat can be obtained by veggies/nuts. The lower the cholestrol and the better your lipid values (optimal lipid values can be obtained by a balanced plant based diet) the least risk you have for developing heart disease.

#5. Being strong & manly is good if you want to look good in front of other men but it has been shown that most women could care less about how big their man is not to mention high test levels have shown an increased risk in heart disease which is why so many older men are dropping like flies taking this so called "low T" medication......so sure you won't be as big and manly on a vegan diet but you will more than likely live a longer and happier life.

Also, the bigger you are the harder your heart has to work to pump blood throughout it. This is why most body builders that weigh 300+ pounds have trouble breathing and a lot of them have dropped like flies in the past and have short life expectancy's.....it does not manner if you're 240 pounds of muscle mass or 240 pounds of loose belly fat for the most part.....your heart has to work hard no manner what.

Personally I'd rather be very thin than very muscular but that's also because I'm starting to lose the ego and care more about longevity and spirituality.

The vegan diet is all about longevity, quality of life, and spirituality.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 22 2013 04:30 GMT
#992
Oh yay more vegans. It's like bro science on steroids. How's that for irony.

Well, it's a good thing I wrote the OP and provide actual evidence than people who don't know how the body actually works.

As I always say, people who don't distinguish between types of saturated fat, and LDL-cholesterol don't know what they're talking about.
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Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 22 2013 07:36 GMT
#993
For how long have you been doing that ?
I've heard about vegans feeling great and all and which ended up lacking basic stuff like salt (sodium ?). Took quite some time to show up. Point is you can't just trust your guts on that one, and how you feel right now is kinda irrelevant.

I mostly eat fresh and raw veggies and nuts indeed, and I feel the same as you when it comes to energy level and stuff. But I also eat chicken and eggs (not from the industry though). Red meat just doesn't appeal to me anymore, as do grains.

So all in all I think we are pretty close mindset wise. But I said you may have convinced me, and I still stand skeptic.

About your spirituality (I'm quite into that as well), friendly warning : I have seen and have been one of the people that used to talk about it a lot, how much I loved everyone and stuff. Well, let's say it's like sex, the ones who talk a lot about it are not the ones doing it regularly. May not apply to you, but keep your attention up. Talking is brain stuff trying to convinced itself that the work is done.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
June 22 2013 09:52 GMT
#994
Hmm lol. All the vegans i know look like shit though. Pale and skinny like fuck oO. But w/e I guess people think being skinny is healthy these days.

And people please, dont believe fruit and veggies contains more nutrition then meat. Just look at the macronutrients in meat compared to fruit and veggies. There's a reason meat contains so much calories you know, cus it provides so much building blocks for your body.
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Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 22 2013 10:42 GMT
#995
Gonna repeat my question as it seems to have gone unoticed.
Is there any kind of food I should focus on to reinforce tendons and ligaments ?
I'm gonna laugh if the answer is meat :-D
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20010 Posts
June 22 2013 10:50 GMT
#996
On June 22 2013 19:42 Cynry wrote:
Gonna repeat my question as it seems to have gone unoticed.
Is there any kind of food I should focus on to reinforce tendons and ligaments ?
I'm gonna laugh if the answer is meat :-D

Fish oil and foods high in omega 3s... Which would include grass fed meat and free range eggs. That along with proper full range of motion exercises will make your joints strong.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 11:04:38
June 22 2013 11:01 GMT
#997
Alright thanks !
Gonna look up those full range exercices as it seems I got the food part covered (cold pressed olive oil, nuts and free range chicken and eggs).
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 22 2013 14:27 GMT
#998
On June 22 2013 20:01 Cynry wrote:
Alright thanks !
Gonna look up those full range exercices as it seems I got the food part covered (cold pressed olive oil, nuts and free range chicken and eggs).


Uh, olive oil doesn't have any omega 3s and nuts have almost all omega 6s.

Omega 3s mostly come from meat and fish and eggs.

b12 and omega 3s is what the vegan/vege diets are mostly deficient in...
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Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 15:05:11
June 22 2013 15:02 GMT
#999
Edit : oh whatever. Thanks for the input.
Komei
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
50 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 15:41:16
June 22 2013 15:34 GMT
#1000
Meat is bad, animal protein is bad. The science is out there. People just don't want to believe it. And people like to listen to people that tell them their bad habits are good for them.

Few people consider the China study to be debunked.
Same thing is seen with Chinese, Koreans and Japanese that went to the US. First generation, similar in disease as people in Asia. Second generation, some more diseases as they adapt US diets. Third generation and there's almost no difference. Diabetes, cancer, obesity, heart disease, etc. It's caused by high fat high protein western diets with tons of processed foods and meat.
It's a pattern you see over and over in numerous studies. It's just that China Study was so big and so well done.

People here love fringe ideas. No idea why. There's the regulars with their ideas and there's not much room for other ideas. Other TL people that have different views and care about health and fitness just don't post here. Too much of a hassle.

Tons of meat-eating doctors and medical professionals know the meat-eating habit of the general population is bad. Doctors get patients very ill that eat badly. They tell them to eat more healthily but people just don't listen. At this point curing a disease by adjusting diet is considered an impossibility.
Even the doctors themselves often continue to eat meat. It's so deeply ingrained.
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