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Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 01:28:35
January 22 2012 01:25 GMT
#201
On January 21 2012 21:22 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 08:47 billy5000 wrote:
I ate only a slice of bread for the first time in a couple of months of doing paleo, and holy shit. I didn't realize how much bloated I felt pre-paleo since I was a bit more tolerant to insulin back then, and there wasn't really a way to compare a day with bread and another day w/o bread since I've been consistently packing processed foods into my body.

Never felt this shitty for a while. I constantly feel bloated, drowsy, and just lazy in general. No more processed foods for me. Ever.

Good thing my anger toward myself overrides this shitty feeling I've had for the past three hours. Gonna go even harder at the gym tonight. fking bread


I always find these perosnal reports really interesting. I haven't had bread in a couple of months but lately have been eating some again, and have not felt any negative effects at all. I had a big pizza lately, after which my stomach felt pretty horrible, though that may just be because the portion was way too big.


my mum cooked some spaghetti for me and because there was nothing else to eat and I had a tough workout that day I went for it. my stomach did NOT enjoy that trip down memory lane bloated feeling, bad gas and slight stomach cramps ensued...
paleo forever!

PS: interesting analysis of The China Study: http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
January 22 2012 04:35 GMT
#202
On January 21 2012 21:22 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 08:47 billy5000 wrote:
I ate only a slice of bread for the first time in a couple of months of doing paleo, and holy shit. I didn't realize how much bloated I felt pre-paleo since I was a bit more tolerant to insulin back then, and there wasn't really a way to compare a day with bread and another day w/o bread since I've been consistently packing processed foods into my body.

Never felt this shitty for a while. I constantly feel bloated, drowsy, and just lazy in general. No more processed foods for me. Ever.

Good thing my anger toward myself overrides this shitty feeling I've had for the past three hours. Gonna go even harder at the gym tonight. fking bread


I always find these perosnal reports really interesting. I haven't had bread in a couple of months but lately have been eating some again, and have not felt any negative effects at all. I had a big pizza lately, after which my stomach felt pretty horrible, though that may just be because the portion was way too big.


Many people just don't have a sensitivity to gluten at all.
Push 2 Harder
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 22 2012 05:52 GMT
#203
On January 22 2012 13:35 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 21:22 Malinor wrote:
On January 21 2012 08:47 billy5000 wrote:
I ate only a slice of bread for the first time in a couple of months of doing paleo, and holy shit. I didn't realize how much bloated I felt pre-paleo since I was a bit more tolerant to insulin back then, and there wasn't really a way to compare a day with bread and another day w/o bread since I've been consistently packing processed foods into my body.

Never felt this shitty for a while. I constantly feel bloated, drowsy, and just lazy in general. No more processed foods for me. Ever.

Good thing my anger toward myself overrides this shitty feeling I've had for the past three hours. Gonna go even harder at the gym tonight. fking bread


I always find these perosnal reports really interesting. I haven't had bread in a couple of months but lately have been eating some again, and have not felt any negative effects at all. I had a big pizza lately, after which my stomach felt pretty horrible, though that may just be because the portion was way too big.


Many people just don't have a sensitivity to gluten at all.


I think Robb Wolf said around 2/3rds of population has gluten sensitivity, and I may have seen that in a study. I'll have to look around for it again.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
January 22 2012 09:41 GMT
#204
On January 22 2012 10:25 Zafrumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 21:22 Malinor wrote:
On January 21 2012 08:47 billy5000 wrote:
I ate only a slice of bread for the first time in a couple of months of doing paleo, and holy shit. I didn't realize how much bloated I felt pre-paleo since I was a bit more tolerant to insulin back then, and there wasn't really a way to compare a day with bread and another day w/o bread since I've been consistently packing processed foods into my body.

Never felt this shitty for a while. I constantly feel bloated, drowsy, and just lazy in general. No more processed foods for me. Ever.

Good thing my anger toward myself overrides this shitty feeling I've had for the past three hours. Gonna go even harder at the gym tonight. fking bread


I always find these perosnal reports really interesting. I haven't had bread in a couple of months but lately have been eating some again, and have not felt any negative effects at all. I had a big pizza lately, after which my stomach felt pretty horrible, though that may just be because the portion was way too big.


my mum cooked some spaghetti for me and because there was nothing else to eat and I had a tough workout that day I went for it. my stomach did NOT enjoy that trip down memory lane bloated feeling, bad gas and slight stomach cramps ensued...
paleo forever!

PS: interesting analysis of The China Study: http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/

If you are interested, here is some more stuff about The China Study, Layne Norton linked it on his facebook.
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Campbell-Masterjohn.html
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
January 22 2012 10:07 GMT
#205
On January 22 2012 13:35 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 21:22 Malinor wrote:
On January 21 2012 08:47 billy5000 wrote:
I ate only a slice of bread for the first time in a couple of months of doing paleo, and holy shit. I didn't realize how much bloated I felt pre-paleo since I was a bit more tolerant to insulin back then, and there wasn't really a way to compare a day with bread and another day w/o bread since I've been consistently packing processed foods into my body.

Never felt this shitty for a while. I constantly feel bloated, drowsy, and just lazy in general. No more processed foods for me. Ever.

Good thing my anger toward myself overrides this shitty feeling I've had for the past three hours. Gonna go even harder at the gym tonight. fking bread


I always find these perosnal reports really interesting. I haven't had bread in a couple of months but lately have been eating some again, and have not felt any negative effects at all. I had a big pizza lately, after which my stomach felt pretty horrible, though that may just be because the portion was way too big.


Many people just don't have a sensitivity to gluten at all.


Guess I am just lucky then
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 15:11:01
January 22 2012 15:10 GMT
#206
Ah, so it could be the huge amount of pasta I've been eating on PWO carb refeeds that's been making my stomach feel quite uncomfortable. Shit, I started to like spaghetti.
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Vain
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands1115 Posts
January 22 2012 21:16 GMT
#207
On January 22 2012 14:52 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 13:35 Bigtony wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:22 Malinor wrote:
On January 21 2012 08:47 billy5000 wrote:
I ate only a slice of bread for the first time in a couple of months of doing paleo, and holy shit. I didn't realize how much bloated I felt pre-paleo since I was a bit more tolerant to insulin back then, and there wasn't really a way to compare a day with bread and another day w/o bread since I've been consistently packing processed foods into my body.

Never felt this shitty for a while. I constantly feel bloated, drowsy, and just lazy in general. No more processed foods for me. Ever.

Good thing my anger toward myself overrides this shitty feeling I've had for the past three hours. Gonna go even harder at the gym tonight. fking bread


I always find these perosnal reports really interesting. I haven't had bread in a couple of months but lately have been eating some again, and have not felt any negative effects at all. I had a big pizza lately, after which my stomach felt pretty horrible, though that may just be because the portion was way too big.


Many people just don't have a sensitivity to gluten at all.


I think Robb Wolf said around 2/3rds of population has gluten sensitivity, and I may have seen that in a study. I'll have to look around for it again.


Well its 6% according to Wikipedia so i think i'll go with that.
Battle.net 2.0 is a waiter and he's a dick
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
January 22 2012 23:54 GMT
#208
On January 22 2012 14:52 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 13:35 Bigtony wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:22 Malinor wrote:
On January 21 2012 08:47 billy5000 wrote:
I ate only a slice of bread for the first time in a couple of months of doing paleo, and holy shit. I didn't realize how much bloated I felt pre-paleo since I was a bit more tolerant to insulin back then, and there wasn't really a way to compare a day with bread and another day w/o bread since I've been consistently packing processed foods into my body.

Never felt this shitty for a while. I constantly feel bloated, drowsy, and just lazy in general. No more processed foods for me. Ever.

Good thing my anger toward myself overrides this shitty feeling I've had for the past three hours. Gonna go even harder at the gym tonight. fking bread


I always find these perosnal reports really interesting. I haven't had bread in a couple of months but lately have been eating some again, and have not felt any negative effects at all. I had a big pizza lately, after which my stomach felt pretty horrible, though that may just be because the portion was way too big.


Many people just don't have a sensitivity to gluten at all.


I think Robb Wolf said around 2/3rds of population has gluten sensitivity, and I may have seen that in a study. I'll have to look around for it again.


All humans can improve their digestive system by avoiding gluten. But most of us do just fine even with it
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 05:31:18
January 23 2012 05:29 GMT
#209
On January 23 2012 06:16 Vain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 14:52 eshlow wrote:
On January 22 2012 13:35 Bigtony wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:22 Malinor wrote:
On January 21 2012 08:47 billy5000 wrote:
I ate only a slice of bread for the first time in a couple of months of doing paleo, and holy shit. I didn't realize how much bloated I felt pre-paleo since I was a bit more tolerant to insulin back then, and there wasn't really a way to compare a day with bread and another day w/o bread since I've been consistently packing processed foods into my body.

Never felt this shitty for a while. I constantly feel bloated, drowsy, and just lazy in general. No more processed foods for me. Ever.

Good thing my anger toward myself overrides this shitty feeling I've had for the past three hours. Gonna go even harder at the gym tonight. fking bread


I always find these perosnal reports really interesting. I haven't had bread in a couple of months but lately have been eating some again, and have not felt any negative effects at all. I had a big pizza lately, after which my stomach felt pretty horrible, though that may just be because the portion was way too big.


Many people just don't have a sensitivity to gluten at all.


I think Robb Wolf said around 2/3rds of population has gluten sensitivity, and I may have seen that in a study. I'll have to look around for it again.


Well its 6% according to Wikipedia so i think i'll go with that.


Maybe we should say... gluten sensitivity by itself.

Gluten shows higher rates of antibodies et al in many people not just "celiac" and "GS" such as

neurodegeneraive disorders (multiple sclerosis, parkinson's, ALS, and other ataxia related disorders, etc)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673696905401

autoimmune disorders (obviously), IBS, crohn's, celiac(obviously), etc.

Just name a disease that fits in the above category with the search boolean below and you're sure to find something in either pubmed or scholar

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=gluten sensitivity [insert search term here]

I could see GS in relatively asymptomatic individuals at 6% sure (especially as the referenced link on GS is Fasano's clinic I believe). In overall population, especially with the amount of people who are presenting with bowel, neurological, autoimmune, etc disorders the number is definitely much higher.

So improvement in overlal population who has at least some form of symptomatic issue of any kind from gluten is gonna be higher
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
xavra41
Profile Joined January 2012
United States220 Posts
January 23 2012 07:12 GMT
#210
On January 22 2012 00:17 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 20:40 xavra41 wrote:
Hey I got a question that google isn't answering for me. How do I maintain a build? So I workout and get to something i am satisfied with, what now? Don't tell me I have to keep this pace forever T.T


Nah, you can just eat at maintenance and lift at maintenance.

It takes like maybe 1/3 of the work to maintain rather than keep gaining muscle and whatnot

Thanks for your response! What does 1/3 mean though? Do I exercise 1/3 of my previous time or 1/3 of the weight or maybe both?
kurrysauce
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
January 23 2012 07:47 GMT
#211
I have a question , lets say you have a deload week / off week / you fall ill / you break a limb or something. Do you still eat the same amount of calories as when you were in the gym?

I'm trying to have a clean slow bulk , but I take a week off every 4 weeks of training and I catch a bad flu every once a year or something. Wondering if I should be consuming same amount of calories ( 3500~) or should I cut down on everything since I'm not hitting the gym?
rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
January 23 2012 09:01 GMT
#212
On January 23 2012 16:47 kurrysauce wrote:
I have a question , lets say you have a deload week / off week / you fall ill / you break a limb or something. Do you still eat the same amount of calories as when you were in the gym?

I'm trying to have a clean slow bulk , but I take a week off every 4 weeks of training and I catch a bad flu every once a year or something. Wondering if I should be consuming same amount of calories ( 3500~) or should I cut down on everything since I'm not hitting the gym?


http://rippedbody.jp/2011/10/01/frequently-asked-questions/


Skipped Sessions: I will only train 1 day this week, does this mean I should eat only 1 ‘Training Macros’ diet day plan?

- No. Do not make this mistake. The diet works by cycling calories. Please cycle calories. 3 Days of Training Day macros, 4 days of Rest-Day macros.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 23 2012 16:52 GMT
#213
On January 23 2012 16:12 xavra41 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:17 eshlow wrote:
On January 21 2012 20:40 xavra41 wrote:
Hey I got a question that google isn't answering for me. How do I maintain a build? So I workout and get to something i am satisfied with, what now? Don't tell me I have to keep this pace forever T.T


Nah, you can just eat at maintenance and lift at maintenance.

It takes like maybe 1/3 of the work to maintain rather than keep gaining muscle and whatnot

Thanks for your response! What does 1/3 mean though? Do I exercise 1/3 of my previous time or 1/3 of the weight or maybe both?


Same weights, same volume, just 1/3 of the frequency.

So if you were going 3-5 days a week you woulod only go 1-2 days a week to maintain
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 17:06:26
January 23 2012 16:53 GMT
#214
On January 23 2012 16:47 kurrysauce wrote:
I have a question , lets say you have a deload week / off week / you fall ill / you break a limb or something. Do you still eat the same amount of calories as when you were in the gym?

I'm trying to have a clean slow bulk , but I take a week off every 4 weeks of training and I catch a bad flu every once a year or something. Wondering if I should be consuming same amount of calories ( 3500~) or should I cut down on everything since I'm not hitting the gym?


Yes... body needs calories to supercompensate during deload.

Although if you're THAT sick you prob won't be able to eat that much...

I'd probably cut down to 3000 or so
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
January 26 2012 23:38 GMT
#215
I read how you said cardio is not as important as lifting. How does this apply to beach volleyball where I do a lot of running in the sand and have to be able to not get fatigued? Is it possible to get that same, "I am able to run and jump X amount" with less cardio and more weight training.

I'm starting to lift again. And when I would lift alot and do less cardio and go play beach, I would be shorter of breath. If I did more cardio and less weight lifting, I would feel less fatigued.

Also another question: Some of my friends are taking prohormones and epibolin. They workout but they don't really monitor their diets. I've never seen them pull out a calorie counter or do anything of that sort. Is this healthy for them? Or are they trying to get too big too quick?
Marine -> masters
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 27 2012 00:10 GMT
#216
On January 27 2012 08:38 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
I read how you said cardio is not as important as lifting. How does this apply to beach volleyball where I do a lot of running in the sand and have to be able to not get fatigued? Is it possible to get that same, "I am able to run and jump X amount" with less cardio and more weight training.

I'm starting to lift again. And when I would lift alot and do less cardio and go play beach, I would be shorter of breath. If I did more cardio and less weight lifting, I would feel less fatigued.

Also another question: Some of my friends are taking prohormones and epibolin. They workout but they don't really monitor their diets. I've never seen them pull out a calorie counter or do anything of that sort. Is this healthy for them? Or are they trying to get too big too quick?


If your sport has significant amounts of running you should be running....

Cardio is not important as lifting for "getting toned" or losing fat... but if your sport requires it then you should be doing some.

Taking any type of prohormones or hormones is never a good idea.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
January 27 2012 01:00 GMT
#217
On January 27 2012 09:10 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 08:38 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
I read how you said cardio is not as important as lifting. How does this apply to beach volleyball where I do a lot of running in the sand and have to be able to not get fatigued? Is it possible to get that same, "I am able to run and jump X amount" with less cardio and more weight training.

I'm starting to lift again. And when I would lift alot and do less cardio and go play beach, I would be shorter of breath. If I did more cardio and less weight lifting, I would feel less fatigued.

Also another question: Some of my friends are taking prohormones and epibolin. They workout but they don't really monitor their diets. I've never seen them pull out a calorie counter or do anything of that sort. Is this healthy for them? Or are they trying to get too big too quick?


If your sport has significant amounts of running you should be running....

Cardio is not important as lifting for "getting toned" or losing fat... but if your sport requires it then you should be doing some.

Taking any type of prohormones or hormones is never a good idea.


I'll be sure to let him know. He did not get them prescribed which threw up red flags to me. You are a more credible source than the people he has talked to about them.
Marine -> masters
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:10:40
January 27 2012 03:10 GMT
#218
On January 27 2012 10:00 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 09:10 eshlow wrote:
On January 27 2012 08:38 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
I read how you said cardio is not as important as lifting. How does this apply to beach volleyball where I do a lot of running in the sand and have to be able to not get fatigued? Is it possible to get that same, "I am able to run and jump X amount" with less cardio and more weight training.

I'm starting to lift again. And when I would lift alot and do less cardio and go play beach, I would be shorter of breath. If I did more cardio and less weight lifting, I would feel less fatigued.

Also another question: Some of my friends are taking prohormones and epibolin. They workout but they don't really monitor their diets. I've never seen them pull out a calorie counter or do anything of that sort. Is this healthy for them? Or are they trying to get too big too quick?


If your sport has significant amounts of running you should be running....

Cardio is not important as lifting for "getting toned" or losing fat... but if your sport requires it then you should be doing some.

Taking any type of prohormones or hormones is never a good idea.


I'll be sure to let him know. He did not get them prescribed which threw up red flags to me. You are a more credible source than the people he has talked to about them.


To get your point across, remember to refer to eshow as a PT and the author of a book, not some dude that posts in a computer game site :p
Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
January 27 2012 03:34 GMT
#219
On January 27 2012 12:10 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:00 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
On January 27 2012 09:10 eshlow wrote:
On January 27 2012 08:38 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
I read how you said cardio is not as important as lifting. How does this apply to beach volleyball where I do a lot of running in the sand and have to be able to not get fatigued? Is it possible to get that same, "I am able to run and jump X amount" with less cardio and more weight training.

I'm starting to lift again. And when I would lift alot and do less cardio and go play beach, I would be shorter of breath. If I did more cardio and less weight lifting, I would feel less fatigued.

Also another question: Some of my friends are taking prohormones and epibolin. They workout but they don't really monitor their diets. I've never seen them pull out a calorie counter or do anything of that sort. Is this healthy for them? Or are they trying to get too big too quick?


If your sport has significant amounts of running you should be running....

Cardio is not important as lifting for "getting toned" or losing fat... but if your sport requires it then you should be doing some.

Taking any type of prohormones or hormones is never a good idea.


I'll be sure to let him know. He did not get them prescribed which threw up red flags to me. You are a more credible source than the people he has talked to about them.


To get your point across, remember to refer to eshow as a PT and the author of a book, not some dude that posts in a computer game site :p


Oh of course! Thats why I've been trying to find someone credible that isn't wikipedia, webmd, or my dad. I saw the link as his signature and saw his book. I saw my friend take BOTH pills yesterday, epibolin and his prohormone, so I got kind of worried.
Marine -> masters
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3821 Posts
January 27 2012 04:14 GMT
#220
I've read in quite a few pages that we should eat protein together with a good source of carbs because the carbs supposedly help transfer protein to muscles. Is that correct? Has anyone else read anything like that? I couldn't find scientific studies to back it up. A quick research on google brought me this text: http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/carbohydrates-and-bodybuilding.html

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