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Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
January 27 2012 09:12 GMT
#221
On January 27 2012 08:38 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
I read how you said cardio is not as important as lifting. How does this apply to beach volleyball where I do a lot of running in the sand and have to be able to not get fatigued? Is it possible to get that same, "I am able to run and jump X amount" with less cardio and more weight training.

I'm starting to lift again. And when I would lift alot and do less cardio and go play beach, I would be shorter of breath. If I did more cardio and less weight lifting, I would feel less fatigued.

Also another question: Some of my friends are taking prohormones and epibolin. They workout but they don't really monitor their diets. I've never seen them pull out a calorie counter or do anything of that sort. Is this healthy for them? Or are they trying to get too big too quick?


as eshlow said, do cardio if it helps (which apparently it does).
doesnt mean that weightlifting wont do anything for you. squats and power cleans will improve your explosiveness and strength which is probably quite important in volleyball.
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
January 27 2012 15:02 GMT
#222
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-raw-honey-and-allergies-and-resveratrol-debunked/#axzz1kffgOwXF

What do you think about this article eshlow? I have pretty bad allergies, and I was thinking about getting some raw honey.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 27 2012 18:21 GMT
#223
On January 27 2012 13:14 Raidern wrote:
I've read in quite a few pages that we should eat protein together with a good source of carbs because the carbs supposedly help transfer protein to muscles. Is that correct? Has anyone else read anything like that? I couldn't find scientific studies to back it up. A quick research on google brought me this text: http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/carbohydrates-and-bodybuilding.html


Post workout?

Whole milk tends to do the better than skim milk

And choco milk tends to do as well as any type of post workout protein and carbohydrates supplementations

So you might as well just drink whole milk which is a good mix of carbs, protein, and some fat.

On January 28 2012 00:02 AoN.DimSum wrote:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-raw-honey-and-allergies-and-resveratrol-debunked/#axzz1kffgOwXF

What do you think about this article eshlow? I have pretty bad allergies, and I was thinking about getting some raw honey.


It seems to be worth a shot.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 27 2012 19:45 GMT
#224
On January 28 2012 03:21 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:14 Raidern wrote:
I've read in quite a few pages that we should eat protein together with a good source of carbs because the carbs supposedly help transfer protein to muscles. Is that correct? Has anyone else read anything like that? I couldn't find scientific studies to back it up. A quick research on google brought me this text: http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/carbohydrates-and-bodybuilding.html


Post workout?

Whole milk tends to do the better than skim milk

And choco milk tends to do as well as any type of post workout protein and carbohydrates supplementations

So you might as well just drink whole milk which is a good mix of carbs, protein, and some fat.


I normally drink whole milk throughout the day but especially post-workout. I normally add a protein powder along with it to supplement. Am I wasting my money or is there a particular powder that is not good? It seems to help,I know eating enough can be difficult for those of us trying to gain muscle mass and the protein shake is easy to add in.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 27 2012 22:33 GMT
#225
On January 28 2012 04:45 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 03:21 eshlow wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:14 Raidern wrote:
I've read in quite a few pages that we should eat protein together with a good source of carbs because the carbs supposedly help transfer protein to muscles. Is that correct? Has anyone else read anything like that? I couldn't find scientific studies to back it up. A quick research on google brought me this text: http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/carbohydrates-and-bodybuilding.html


Post workout?

Whole milk tends to do the better than skim milk

And choco milk tends to do as well as any type of post workout protein and carbohydrates supplementations

So you might as well just drink whole milk which is a good mix of carbs, protein, and some fat.


I normally drink whole milk throughout the day but especially post-workout. I normally add a protein powder along with it to supplement. Am I wasting my money or is there a particular powder that is not good? It seems to help,I know eating enough can be difficult for those of us trying to gain muscle mass and the protein shake is easy to add in.


That's fine if you need more protein
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
January 28 2012 22:44 GMT
#226


watching this now!

btw i had a little raw honey and my sinus cleared up. not sure if it was the honey or i naturally got better since it was going away anyway lol
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#227
On January 29 2012 07:44 AoN.DimSum wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmL0gKEz00Q

watching this now!

btw i had a little raw honey and my sinus cleared up. not sure if it was the honey or i naturally got better since it was going away anyway lol


This is a good vid

Totally agree

Hard to not do some of the 3 fallacies sometimes :p
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rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
January 31 2012 10:18 GMT
#228
Oh man, some type of foods are causing me digestive problems. I'm sure at least about pasta, but yesterday only foods I think could cause it were bran flakes (wheat?) and banana. I ate some ground beef that might've been old though.

Going to a doctor (a general practitioner I think) is free for me due to work. Is it a huge trouble to get a diagnosis?
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 31 2012 13:23 GMT
#229
On January 31 2012 19:18 rEiGN~ wrote:
Oh man, some type of foods are causing me digestive problems. I'm sure at least about pasta, but yesterday only foods I think could cause it were bran flakes (wheat?) and banana. I ate some ground beef that might've been old though.

Going to a doctor (a general practitioner I think) is free for me due to work. Is it a huge trouble to get a diagnosis?


You can ask if they can run a allergy/sensitivity test
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vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
January 31 2012 16:01 GMT
#230
eshlow I know you've posted studies on grains effects somewhere in the forums, but they don't seem to be in the OP? would be useful
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 31 2012 16:13 GMT
#231
back to north america, meaning time to take fish oil again...

I have a bottle that says per two pills:
EPA -- 360 mg
DHA - 240 mg
O-3 - 600 mg

How many should I take each day?

I'm guessing at least four, but I really don't remember the #s for EPA and DHA anymore, and I'm fairly certain I should try to aim for at least 1000 omega-3?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
January 31 2012 17:55 GMT
#232
http://www.carlsonlabs.com/p-70-very-finest-fish-oil-lemon-flavor.aspx

this is what i use, and it seems like 1000 is an okay amount.
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 31 2012 20:14 GMT
#233
On February 01 2012 01:01 vicariouscheese wrote:
eshlow I know you've posted studies on grains effects somewhere in the forums, but they don't seem to be in the OP? would be useful


I think they are in the Paleo thread OP
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20105 Posts
January 31 2012 21:15 GMT
#234
On February 01 2012 01:13 Cambium wrote:
back to north america, meaning time to take fish oil again...

I have a bottle that says per two pills:
EPA -- 360 mg
DHA - 240 mg
O-3 - 600 mg

How many should I take each day?

I'm guessing at least four, but I really don't remember the #s for EPA and DHA anymore, and I'm fairly certain I should try to aim for at least 1000 omega-3?


Depends on how healthy you're eating, i usually go for 1-2k epa/dha. I think there is a g/bw somewhere...
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
February 01 2012 12:42 GMT
#235
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Tulius
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil52 Posts
February 01 2012 13:44 GMT
#236
So I've been cooking my own food for a while, which means being 95% paleo.

I noticed that since I cut grains drinking beer fucks up my allergies (next day my nose is leaking, a lot of sneezing, etc., sometimes even some form of sinusitis) - no shit, its got a considerable amount of gluten, right?

Then I decided to stop the beer drinking (which I would still do in social occasions), and replaced it with distilled drinks, and I would be totally fine next day. Following this logic, I got some red wine bottles too, to drink at home (should be pretty healthy in small amounts). Problem is, I'm getting the same kind of allergy problem after drinking 1 or 2 glasses of wine. How could this be explained? Some kind of reaction to the fermentation process?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20105 Posts
February 01 2012 15:49 GMT
#237
On February 01 2012 22:44 Tulius wrote:
So I've been cooking my own food for a while, which means being 95% paleo.

I noticed that since I cut grains drinking beer fucks up my allergies (next day my nose is leaking, a lot of sneezing, etc., sometimes even some form of sinusitis) - no shit, its got a considerable amount of gluten, right?

Then I decided to stop the beer drinking (which I would still do in social occasions), and replaced it with distilled drinks, and I would be totally fine next day. Following this logic, I got some red wine bottles too, to drink at home (should be pretty healthy in small amounts). Problem is, I'm getting the same kind of allergy problem after drinking 1 or 2 glasses of wine. How could this be explained? Some kind of reaction to the fermentation process?


I've noticed this as well...i'm fucked the day after drinking a lot of beer but i can put back vodka all night and be fine the next day. Which sucks because rugby players always drink beers after games and at socials T_T
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ElizarTringov
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Bulgaria317 Posts
February 07 2012 12:58 GMT
#238
On October 28 2011 09:51 eshlow wrote:
Ground breaking nutrition study telling us something most of us already knew:

Is there a role for carbohydrate restriction in the treatment and prevention of cancer?
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/8/1/75/abstract

Show nested quote +
Conclusions
We summarize our main findings from the literature regarding the role of dietary CHO
restriction in cancer development and outcome.

(i) Most, if not all, tumor cells have a high demand on glucose compared to benign
cells of the same tissue and conduct glycolysis even in the presence of oxygen (the
Warburg effect). In addition, many cancer cells express insulin receptors (IRs) and
show hyperactivation of the IGF1R-IR pathway. Evidence exists that chronically
elevated blood glucose, insulin and IGF1 levels facilitate tumorigenesis and
worsen the outcome in cancer patients.

(ii) The involvement of the glucose-insulin axis may also explain the association of
the metabolic syndrome with an increased risk for several cancers. CHO restriction
has already been shown to exert favorable effects in patients with the metabolic
syndrome. Epidemiological and anthropological studies indicate that restricting
dietary CHOs could be beneficial in decreasing cancer risk.

(iii) Many cancer patients, in particular those with advanced stages of the disease,
exhibit altered whole-body metabolism marked by increased plasma levels of
inflammatory molecules, impaired glycogen synthesis, increased proteolysis and
increased fat utilization in muscle tissue, increased lipolysis in adipose tissue and
increased gluconeogenesis by the liver. High fat, low CHO diets aim at accounting
for these metabolic alterations. Studies conducted so far have shown that such
diets are safe and likely beneficial, in particular for advanced stage cancer patients.

(iv) CHO restriction mimics the metabolic state of calorie restriction or – in the case of
KDs – fasting. The beneficial effects of calorie restriction and fasting on cancer
risk and progression are well established. CHO restriction thus opens the
possibility to target the same underlying mechanisms without the side-effects of
hunger and weight loss.

(v) Some laboratory studies indicate a direct anti-tumor potential of ketone bodies.
During the past years, a multitude of mouse studies indeed proved anti-tumor
effects of KDs for various tumor types, and a few case reports and pre-clinical
studies obtained promising results in cancer patients as well. Several registered
clinical trials are going to investigate the case for a KD as a supportive therapeutic
option in oncology.


If you know anyone with cancer, please please please persuade them to eat ketogenic diet.

It can literally eradicate cancer in some cases, and at least help your body fight better against cancer thus increases survivability.


Cool story but how come people following the Dr.Mcdougall diet, basically a low fat-high carb vegan diet, are cured not only of cancer but of numerous other diseases?

http://drmcdougall.com/stars/star07_ruth-heidrich.html

http://drmcdougall.com/star.html
Perfect practice makes perfect.
ElizarTringov
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Bulgaria317 Posts
February 07 2012 13:06 GMT
#239
Summary of protein requirement values for adults, including
women during pregnancy and lactation
The requirement indicated by the meta-analysis (6) (a median requirement of
105 mg nitrogen/kg per day or 0.66 g/kg per day of protein) can be accepted
as the best estimate of a population average requirement for healthy adults.
Although there is considerable uncertainty about the true between-individual
125
92-4-120935-6_CH07_125variability, the safe level was identified as the 97.5th percentile of the population distribution of requirement, i.e. 133 mg nitrogen/kg per day, or 0.83
g/kg per day protein. Thus 0.83 g/kg per day protein would be expected
to meet the requirements of most (97.5%) of the healthy adult population.
Because the distribution of requirements was log-normal, and thus skewed,
direct calculation of a standard deviation was not possible. However, an approximate value was derived as half the difference between the estimated
16th and 84th percentiles (which would contain those individuals within one
standard deviation of the mean for a normal distribution), yielding an apparent
coefficient of variation of about 12%. This value was employed in the calculations of safe levels for protein and amino acids of children and adults when
direct experimental evidence for their values was not available (sections 9
and 10).
These values for average and safe intakes are about 10% higher than the
value of 0.6 g proposed in the 1985 FAO/WHO/UNU report (8). While there
are important questions about food intakes for older individuals, there is at
present no firm evidence warranting different values for this population
group. Similarly, there is as yet no justification for any differentiation between males and females. However, additional protein is recommended for
pregnant women of 1, 9 and 31 g protein/day in the first, second and third
trimesters, respectively, or additional food energy with a protein:energy ratio
of 0.03, 0.12 and 0.23. For lactating women, an average of 19 g protein/day
is required, falling to 12.5 g protein/day after 6 months.

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf

Page 125-126
Perfect practice makes perfect.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 07 2012 13:45 GMT
#240
On February 07 2012 21:58 ElizarTringov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 09:51 eshlow wrote:
Ground breaking nutrition study telling us something most of us already knew:

Is there a role for carbohydrate restriction in the treatment and prevention of cancer?
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/8/1/75/abstract

Conclusions
We summarize our main findings from the literature regarding the role of dietary CHO
restriction in cancer development and outcome.

(i) Most, if not all, tumor cells have a high demand on glucose compared to benign
cells of the same tissue and conduct glycolysis even in the presence of oxygen (the
Warburg effect). In addition, many cancer cells express insulin receptors (IRs) and
show hyperactivation of the IGF1R-IR pathway. Evidence exists that chronically
elevated blood glucose, insulin and IGF1 levels facilitate tumorigenesis and
worsen the outcome in cancer patients.

(ii) The involvement of the glucose-insulin axis may also explain the association of
the metabolic syndrome with an increased risk for several cancers. CHO restriction
has already been shown to exert favorable effects in patients with the metabolic
syndrome. Epidemiological and anthropological studies indicate that restricting
dietary CHOs could be beneficial in decreasing cancer risk.

(iii) Many cancer patients, in particular those with advanced stages of the disease,
exhibit altered whole-body metabolism marked by increased plasma levels of
inflammatory molecules, impaired glycogen synthesis, increased proteolysis and
increased fat utilization in muscle tissue, increased lipolysis in adipose tissue and
increased gluconeogenesis by the liver. High fat, low CHO diets aim at accounting
for these metabolic alterations. Studies conducted so far have shown that such
diets are safe and likely beneficial, in particular for advanced stage cancer patients.

(iv) CHO restriction mimics the metabolic state of calorie restriction or – in the case of
KDs – fasting. The beneficial effects of calorie restriction and fasting on cancer
risk and progression are well established. CHO restriction thus opens the
possibility to target the same underlying mechanisms without the side-effects of
hunger and weight loss.

(v) Some laboratory studies indicate a direct anti-tumor potential of ketone bodies.
During the past years, a multitude of mouse studies indeed proved anti-tumor
effects of KDs for various tumor types, and a few case reports and pre-clinical
studies obtained promising results in cancer patients as well. Several registered
clinical trials are going to investigate the case for a KD as a supportive therapeutic
option in oncology.


If you know anyone with cancer, please please please persuade them to eat ketogenic diet.

It can literally eradicate cancer in some cases, and at least help your body fight better against cancer thus increases survivability.


Cool story but how come people following the Dr.Mcdougall diet, basically a low fat-high carb vegan diet, are cured not only of cancer but of numerous other diseases?

http://drmcdougall.com/stars/star07_ruth-heidrich.html

http://drmcdougall.com/star.html


Sigh. Okay.

That link I posted to nutrition and metabolism is an actual scientific journal and they were summarizing research.

If you would like to provide some research to support your argument I would consider it.

Though, any diet that eliminates refined carbohydrates will have a positive effect on cancer although not as strongly as ketogenic from the literature.


Not sure where you are trying to go with the protein study either. The needs of athletic populations are higher than what is stated there.
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