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nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
February 24 2011 14:45 GMT
#1901
On February 24 2011 21:59 unknown.sam wrote:
when is a good time to add weight?


I started adding weight once I could do 3 sets of 10. I cut back to 3x5 and have been adding 1.25Kg/Workout. Dunno if that was a good time or not but it seems to be working so far. I also do weight chinups 3x5 too.
u gotta sk8
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
February 24 2011 14:49 GMT
#1902
On February 24 2011 08:51 RowdierBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 06:48 funkie wrote:
Won't be deadlifting (heavy) today. probably 100-110kg at most.

Got a pinky finger injury and the motherfucker hurts like a bitch.

fuck me.


Ha, this happened to me. Don't rush back too soon and give it time to heal. I broke my pinky finger playing football without realising (thought it was just jarred) and deadlifting with it was really painful. I'm pretty sure it contributed to making the injury much worse so it might be worth giving up deadlifts for a while (the other lifts I did all seemed to be fine).



yep.

I felt as if the pinky was going to explode. 110kg deadlift. Had to do it quick, or my finger was gonna kill me.

102kg Squat (moving up yay!)
110kg deadlift (shit)
70kg (bench press)

all 3x5 except the deadlift 1x5
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 17:28:32
February 24 2011 15:12 GMT
#1903
Funkie, get your deadlift up bro. All Your other lifts kill mine, but my dl is actually even with you, and I do it for 3x5 or 2x8. Then again, its my favorite lift besides powercleans.

So much soreness this morning. Adding that extra foot at th bottom of my squats, I feel like I might as well have never done a squat in my life. Haven't been this sore in six months, literally.

Edit: I know that decaf - mine's chilling at 125 right now, recently reset down to 110. Its still the only lift he doesn't have more than 20kg on me.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20164 Posts
February 24 2011 15:20 GMT
#1904
Funkies dead lift is at like 130+, he hurt his hand lol. And yeah you really feel deep squats in the posterior the day after at first.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
RAGEMOAR The Pope
Profile Joined February 2011
United States216 Posts
February 24 2011 15:51 GMT
#1905
I'm not sure if protein supplements such as creatine, whey & casein are truly good for you. They merely increase water muscle mass and mess with the usual balances of proteins gained from eating normal foods. You will get "swole" from them, but the muscle mass you're putting on isn't the desirable lean muscle mass.

It would be better for your body to have a peanut butter sandwich or other natural proteins (beef, chicken, fish, etc.) immediately after working out..

eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 24 2011 16:14 GMT
#1906
On February 24 2011 21:59 unknown.sam wrote:
that was some stunt eshlow. man watching the last part kind of made me sick in the stomach. you guys were so high, looked so dangerous.

oh and a question on dips. can't remember if i asked this already but anyway...

when is a good time to add weight?


Pretty much what was said.... gt to 3x10 then add weight for 3x5.... can do linear progression maybe with this... try to add 3-5 lbs per workout
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 24 2011 16:17 GMT
#1907
On February 25 2011 00:51 RAGEMOAR The Pope wrote:
I'm not sure if protein supplements such as creatine, whey & casein are truly good for you. They merely increase water muscle mass and mess with the usual balances of proteins gained from eating normal foods. You will get "swole" from them, but the muscle mass you're putting on isn't the desirable lean muscle mass.

It would be better for your body to have a peanut butter sandwich or other natural proteins (beef, chicken, fish, etc.) immediately after working out..


uhhh?

Whey and casein are pure protein (well, different types of protein from dairy). Your body in general doesn't care where it gets its protein sources for building muscle. So if you need extra protein those are good sources.

Also, vegetetable type protein actually has lower absorption rates than animal proteins so peanut butter, beans, etc all that kind stuff isn't actually a better source of protein than whey, casein, and animal proteins

Secondly, creatine is basically an energy carrier within the cell. Yes, it does draw water in but it generally allows you to get a few extra reps in during workout which will allow better stimulus for muscle mass. So it's not a protein supplement... and it's generally effective for adding muscle mass.

Though i agree generally -- eat real foods.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
February 24 2011 16:23 GMT
#1908
On February 25 2011 01:17 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 00:51 RAGEMOAR The Pope wrote:
I'm not sure if protein supplements such as creatine, whey & casein are truly good for you. They merely increase water muscle mass and mess with the usual balances of proteins gained from eating normal foods. You will get "swole" from them, but the muscle mass you're putting on isn't the desirable lean muscle mass.

It would be better for your body to have a peanut butter sandwich or other natural proteins (beef, chicken, fish, etc.) immediately after working out..


uhhh?

Whey and casein are pure protein (well, different types of protein from dairy). Your body in general doesn't care where it gets its protein sources for building muscle. So if you need extra protein those are good sources.

Also, vegetetable type protein actually has lower absorption rates than animal proteins so peanut butter, beans, etc all that kind stuff isn't actually a better source of protein than whey, casein, and animal proteins

Secondly, creatine is basically an energy carrier within the cell. Yes, it does draw water in but it generally allows you to get a few extra reps in during workout which will allow better stimulus for muscle mass. So it's not a protein supplement... and it's generally effective for adding muscle mass.

Though i agree generally -- eat real foods.


Not sure where RAGEMOARs comment came from, but we would generally advocate protein from meat anyways... probably something in the OP about supplements that I completely forgot about

If you can't get enough protein in natural foods (high school kid who can't change the family's eating patterns comes to mind) then sure, use some whey and such. I'd usually chalk that up to lazyness and not wanting to cook for most people though.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 24 2011 16:33 GMT
#1909
On February 25 2011 01:23 vicariouscheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 01:17 eshlow wrote:
On February 25 2011 00:51 RAGEMOAR The Pope wrote:
I'm not sure if protein supplements such as creatine, whey & casein are truly good for you. They merely increase water muscle mass and mess with the usual balances of proteins gained from eating normal foods. You will get "swole" from them, but the muscle mass you're putting on isn't the desirable lean muscle mass.

It would be better for your body to have a peanut butter sandwich or other natural proteins (beef, chicken, fish, etc.) immediately after working out..


uhhh?

Whey and casein are pure protein (well, different types of protein from dairy). Your body in general doesn't care where it gets its protein sources for building muscle. So if you need extra protein those are good sources.

Also, vegetetable type protein actually has lower absorption rates than animal proteins so peanut butter, beans, etc all that kind stuff isn't actually a better source of protein than whey, casein, and animal proteins

Secondly, creatine is basically an energy carrier within the cell. Yes, it does draw water in but it generally allows you to get a few extra reps in during workout which will allow better stimulus for muscle mass. So it's not a protein supplement... and it's generally effective for adding muscle mass.

Though i agree generally -- eat real foods.


Not sure where RAGEMOARs comment came from, but we would generally advocate protein from meat anyways... probably something in the OP about supplements that I completely forgot about

If you can't get enough protein in natural foods (high school kid who can't change the family's eating patterns comes to mind) then sure, use some whey and such. I'd usually chalk that up to lazyness and not wanting to cook for most people though.


:\

I get irritated when I see creatine myths being spouted.... probably the one supplement that has the most myths around it he said/she said without people looking up what it actually does physiologically in the body
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20164 Posts
February 24 2011 17:57 GMT
#1910
On February 25 2011 01:33 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 01:23 vicariouscheese wrote:
On February 25 2011 01:17 eshlow wrote:
On February 25 2011 00:51 RAGEMOAR The Pope wrote:
I'm not sure if protein supplements such as creatine, whey & casein are truly good for you. They merely increase water muscle mass and mess with the usual balances of proteins gained from eating normal foods. You will get "swole" from them, but the muscle mass you're putting on isn't the desirable lean muscle mass.

It would be better for your body to have a peanut butter sandwich or other natural proteins (beef, chicken, fish, etc.) immediately after working out..


uhhh?

Whey and casein are pure protein (well, different types of protein from dairy). Your body in general doesn't care where it gets its protein sources for building muscle. So if you need extra protein those are good sources.

Also, vegetetable type protein actually has lower absorption rates than animal proteins so peanut butter, beans, etc all that kind stuff isn't actually a better source of protein than whey, casein, and animal proteins

Secondly, creatine is basically an energy carrier within the cell. Yes, it does draw water in but it generally allows you to get a few extra reps in during workout which will allow better stimulus for muscle mass. So it's not a protein supplement... and it's generally effective for adding muscle mass.

Though i agree generally -- eat real foods.


Not sure where RAGEMOARs comment came from, but we would generally advocate protein from meat anyways... probably something in the OP about supplements that I completely forgot about

If you can't get enough protein in natural foods (high school kid who can't change the family's eating patterns comes to mind) then sure, use some whey and such. I'd usually chalk that up to lazyness and not wanting to cook for most people though.


:\

I get irritated when I see creatine myths being spouted.... probably the one supplement that has the most myths around it he said/she said without people looking up what it actually does physiologically in the body


Myths in general make me very upset. The ones on dietary fat and cholesterol really get me
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
February 24 2011 19:01 GMT
#1911
how do you guys calm yourselves down?

Like I need to calm the fuck up, and relax a bit. I'm just having problems doing so. I need to get drunk, and scream some Barça goals.

The boys weekend fuck si.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
February 24 2011 19:31 GMT
#1912
On February 25 2011 02:57 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 01:33 eshlow wrote:
On February 25 2011 01:23 vicariouscheese wrote:
On February 25 2011 01:17 eshlow wrote:
On February 25 2011 00:51 RAGEMOAR The Pope wrote:
I'm not sure if protein supplements such as creatine, whey & casein are truly good for you. They merely increase water muscle mass and mess with the usual balances of proteins gained from eating normal foods. You will get "swole" from them, but the muscle mass you're putting on isn't the desirable lean muscle mass.

It would be better for your body to have a peanut butter sandwich or other natural proteins (beef, chicken, fish, etc.) immediately after working out..


uhhh?

Whey and casein are pure protein (well, different types of protein from dairy). Your body in general doesn't care where it gets its protein sources for building muscle. So if you need extra protein those are good sources.

Also, vegetetable type protein actually has lower absorption rates than animal proteins so peanut butter, beans, etc all that kind stuff isn't actually a better source of protein than whey, casein, and animal proteins

Secondly, creatine is basically an energy carrier within the cell. Yes, it does draw water in but it generally allows you to get a few extra reps in during workout which will allow better stimulus for muscle mass. So it's not a protein supplement... and it's generally effective for adding muscle mass.

Though i agree generally -- eat real foods.


Not sure where RAGEMOARs comment came from, but we would generally advocate protein from meat anyways... probably something in the OP about supplements that I completely forgot about

If you can't get enough protein in natural foods (high school kid who can't change the family's eating patterns comes to mind) then sure, use some whey and such. I'd usually chalk that up to lazyness and not wanting to cook for most people though.


:\

I get irritated when I see creatine myths being spouted.... probably the one supplement that has the most myths around it he said/she said without people looking up what it actually does physiologically in the body


Myths in general make me very upset. The ones on dietary fat and cholesterol really get me


When my cell bio professor discusses the reasons that high cholesterol is dangerous, Ii'm ok with that. The man studies cell membrane proteins for a living, he knows about cholesterol. When he says things like "stop eating egg yolks for lower cholesterol" I'm less ok with it. When he says something about how its better to eat only polyunsaturated fats, despite the fact that he just discussed the process by which saturated fats are naturally made in animals, I am just not ok.

I start my nutrition minor next semester.... i just have to wonder how much of it is going to make sense at all.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
February 24 2011 19:33 GMT
#1913
On February 25 2011 04:31 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 02:57 decafchicken wrote:
On February 25 2011 01:33 eshlow wrote:
On February 25 2011 01:23 vicariouscheese wrote:
On February 25 2011 01:17 eshlow wrote:
On February 25 2011 00:51 RAGEMOAR The Pope wrote:
I'm not sure if protein supplements such as creatine, whey & casein are truly good for you. They merely increase water muscle mass and mess with the usual balances of proteins gained from eating normal foods. You will get "swole" from them, but the muscle mass you're putting on isn't the desirable lean muscle mass.

It would be better for your body to have a peanut butter sandwich or other natural proteins (beef, chicken, fish, etc.) immediately after working out..


uhhh?

Whey and casein are pure protein (well, different types of protein from dairy). Your body in general doesn't care where it gets its protein sources for building muscle. So if you need extra protein those are good sources.

Also, vegetetable type protein actually has lower absorption rates than animal proteins so peanut butter, beans, etc all that kind stuff isn't actually a better source of protein than whey, casein, and animal proteins

Secondly, creatine is basically an energy carrier within the cell. Yes, it does draw water in but it generally allows you to get a few extra reps in during workout which will allow better stimulus for muscle mass. So it's not a protein supplement... and it's generally effective for adding muscle mass.

Though i agree generally -- eat real foods.


Not sure where RAGEMOARs comment came from, but we would generally advocate protein from meat anyways... probably something in the OP about supplements that I completely forgot about

If you can't get enough protein in natural foods (high school kid who can't change the family's eating patterns comes to mind) then sure, use some whey and such. I'd usually chalk that up to lazyness and not wanting to cook for most people though.


:\

I get irritated when I see creatine myths being spouted.... probably the one supplement that has the most myths around it he said/she said without people looking up what it actually does physiologically in the body


Myths in general make me very upset. The ones on dietary fat and cholesterol really get me


When my cell bio professor discusses the reasons that high cholesterol is dangerous, Ii'm ok with that. The man studies cell membrane proteins for a living, he knows about cholesterol. When he says things like "stop eating egg yolks for lower cholesterol" I'm less ok with it. When he says something about how its better to eat only polyunsaturated fats, despite the fact that he just discussed the process by which saturated fats are naturally made in animals, I am just not ok.

I start my nutrition minor next semester.... i just have to wonder how much of it is going to make sense at all.


you tell them bitches to take their vitamin D, and to shut the fuck up! :D

YOU TELL 'EM!
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
February 24 2011 19:46 GMT
#1914
On February 25 2011 04:33 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 04:31 phyre112 wrote:
On February 25 2011 02:57 decafchicken wrote:
On February 25 2011 01:33 eshlow wrote:
On February 25 2011 01:23 vicariouscheese wrote:
On February 25 2011 01:17 eshlow wrote:
On February 25 2011 00:51 RAGEMOAR The Pope wrote:
I'm not sure if protein supplements such as creatine, whey & casein are truly good for you. They merely increase water muscle mass and mess with the usual balances of proteins gained from eating normal foods. You will get "swole" from them, but the muscle mass you're putting on isn't the desirable lean muscle mass.

It would be better for your body to have a peanut butter sandwich or other natural proteins (beef, chicken, fish, etc.) immediately after working out..


uhhh?

Whey and casein are pure protein (well, different types of protein from dairy). Your body in general doesn't care where it gets its protein sources for building muscle. So if you need extra protein those are good sources.

Also, vegetetable type protein actually has lower absorption rates than animal proteins so peanut butter, beans, etc all that kind stuff isn't actually a better source of protein than whey, casein, and animal proteins

Secondly, creatine is basically an energy carrier within the cell. Yes, it does draw water in but it generally allows you to get a few extra reps in during workout which will allow better stimulus for muscle mass. So it's not a protein supplement... and it's generally effective for adding muscle mass.

Though i agree generally -- eat real foods.


Not sure where RAGEMOARs comment came from, but we would generally advocate protein from meat anyways... probably something in the OP about supplements that I completely forgot about

If you can't get enough protein in natural foods (high school kid who can't change the family's eating patterns comes to mind) then sure, use some whey and such. I'd usually chalk that up to lazyness and not wanting to cook for most people though.


:\

I get irritated when I see creatine myths being spouted.... probably the one supplement that has the most myths around it he said/she said without people looking up what it actually does physiologically in the body


Myths in general make me very upset. The ones on dietary fat and cholesterol really get me


When my cell bio professor discusses the reasons that high cholesterol is dangerous, Ii'm ok with that. The man studies cell membrane proteins for a living, he knows about cholesterol. When he says things like "stop eating egg yolks for lower cholesterol" I'm less ok with it. When he says something about how its better to eat only polyunsaturated fats, despite the fact that he just discussed the process by which saturated fats are naturally made in animals, I am just not ok.

I start my nutrition minor next semester.... i just have to wonder how much of it is going to make sense at all.


you tell them bitches to take their vitamin D, and to shut the fuck up! :D

YOU TELL 'EM!


That's how we solve your relaxation problem Funkie, fly you out here to Syracuse, and have you scream at all my professors, have a good lift, get you a good drink, then fly you back home. Perfect.
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 19:49:40
February 24 2011 19:48 GMT
#1915
Eshlow, I saw the orthopedist about my back pain (it's gone now) and he doesn't think it's anything like spondylolysis. He just recommended conservative treatment and also told me to not hyperextend my back beyond a certain angle because of the unfavorable load it puts on the spine.

However, I see that gymnasts are doing these back bridges and other crazy business with their backs. Is there any way to ease into it so that I can do these exercises, or should I just forgo it in favor of other back strengthening exercises?


On February 25 2011 04:31 phyre112 wrote:
When my cell bio professor discusses the reasons that high cholesterol is dangerous, Ii'm ok with that. The man studies cell membrane proteins for a living, he knows about cholesterol. When he says things like "stop eating egg yolks for lower cholesterol" I'm less ok with it. When he says something about how its better to eat only polyunsaturated fats, despite the fact that he just discussed the process by which saturated fats are naturally made in animals, I am just not ok.

I start my nutrition minor next semester.... i just have to wonder how much of it is going to make sense at all.


My impression of nutrition is that it's a clusterfuck of misinformation. I wish you luck in being able to sort it all out.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
February 24 2011 20:08 GMT
#1916
On February 25 2011 04:01 funkie wrote:
how do you guys calm yourselves down?

Like I need to calm the fuck up, and relax a bit. I'm just having problems doing so. I need to get drunk, and scream some Barça goals.

The boys weekend fuck si.


Depends really...a good lifting session really calms me down, a really good "lumma" (a form of smokeless tobacco, like dip / whatever), some kick ass heavy metal...a good fuck.

Also watching champions league with a cold beer with some friends

"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
February 24 2011 20:10 GMT
#1917
On February 25 2011 05:08 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 04:01 funkie wrote:
how do you guys calm yourselves down?

Like I need to calm the fuck up, and relax a bit. I'm just having problems doing so. I need to get drunk, and scream some Barça goals.

The boys weekend fuck si.


Depends really...a good lifting session really calms me down, a really good "lumma" (a form of smokeless tobacco, like dip / whatever), some kick ass heavy metal...a good fuck.

Also watching champions league with a cold beer with some friends




FUCK SI

THESE ARE THE CHAMPPPIOOOOOOOOOONS.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
BabyGiraldo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States135 Posts
February 24 2011 20:17 GMT
#1918
Quick Question: I am running 4 days a week and doing some moderately intense lifting (i'm not trying to get big, just toned). Should I have a leg workout day if i'm running 4 times a week? I would assume if I was lifting hard I would just to stay in proportion, but like I said I'm really not trying to add tons of muscle
In 1776 all men were created equal, in 1855 all of that changed.
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 21:17:58
February 24 2011 20:18 GMT
#1919
I'm problems having consuming the huge amounts of food for gaining muscle/weight while doing SS. Do you guys have tips? I've been drinking a lot of whole fat milk as that is easy to both buy/consume, but real food is both kinda expensive and timeconsuming to prepare? Sometimes i just chow down on 1 litre of 3 % fat yoghurt.

Sorry for repeat of topic if there has been adequate coverage of this already.

Oh yeah and accidently chewing on fish oil pills while eating supper is fucking disguisting man lol. Feels like a gay fish just came in my mouth rofl.
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 20:29:27
February 24 2011 20:27 GMT
#1920
On February 25 2011 05:17 BabyGiraldo wrote:
Quick Question: I am running 4 days a week and doing some moderately intense lifting (i'm not trying to get big, just toned). Should I have a leg workout day if i'm running 4 times a week? I would assume if I was lifting hard I would just to stay in proportion, but like I said I'm really not trying to add tons of muscle


Your size is a function of how much you eat- do you want to lose weight, or stay at the same weight with lower bodyfat?

Either way, unless you're running for conditioning reasons (sports)- or if you just like running!- it's more efficient to drop the cardio and do high intensity lifting with maintenance or below maintenance caloric intake.

Also, whats your diet look like?


On February 25 2011 05:18 Advocado wrote:
I'm having consuming the huge amounts of food for gaining muscle/weight while doing SS. Do you guys have tips? I've been drinking a lot of whole fat milk as that is easy to both buy/consume, but real food is both kinda expensive and timeconsuming to prepare? Sometimes i just chow down on 1 litre of 3 % fat yoghurt.

Sorry for repeat of topic if there has been adequate coverage of this already.

Oh yeah and accidently chewing on fish oil pills while eating supper is fucking disguisting man lol. Feels like a gay fish just came in my mouth rofl.


Yeah I have trouble having the time to cook as well- and food does get kind of expensive :/

A suggestion that was brought up a while back was to have a cooking day (i.e. sunday) so alot of your meat is good to go for the rest of the week.
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