On December 06 2011 00:52 zatic wrote: I know they are supposed to be easier, but it can't be normal that I can do 12-8-7 chinups but barely 2 pullups? It feels like I have zero strenth once I switch to palms facing away and a wider grip (pullups are supposed to be wider than chinups right?)
Also any good tips how to prevent legs / hips to drive forward during either?
I always use the same grip width (sic?) for chin ups and pull ups. obviously, pull ups become harder the wider your grip is. maybe try a more narrow grip!
and I believe core strength is mostly responsible for preventing leg/hip "drive". squeeze those abs! it might also help to have some sort of block underneath the bar so you can "reset" your position after every rep.
@sjarl: is it a normal powerlifting competition or a strongman one? hope you do well!
On December 06 2011 00:52 zatic wrote: I know they are supposed to be easier, but it can't be normal that I can do 12-8-7 chinups but barely 2 pullups? It feels like I have zero strenth once I switch to palms facing away and a wider grip (pullups are supposed to be wider than chinups right?)
Also any good tips how to prevent legs / hips to drive forward during either?
AFAIK, the only thing that defines a Pull-Up or a Chin-Up is how you grip with your hands. You don't have to grip extra-wide to make it a pull-up. If a real wide grip doesn't suit you, then just don't do it, you also wouldn't deadlift/squat/bench in an uncomfortable position just for the heck of it (maybe if you want to specifically train only your lats that is another story).
On December 06 2011 00:52 zatic wrote: I know they are supposed to be easier, but it can't be normal that I can do 12-8-7 chinups but barely 2 pullups? It feels like I have zero strenth once I switch to palms facing away and a wider grip (pullups are supposed to be wider than chinups right?)
Also any good tips how to prevent legs / hips to drive forward during either?
AFAIK, the only thing that defines a Pull-Up or a Chin-Up is how you grip with your hands. You don't have to grip extra-wide to make it a pull-up. If a real wide grip doesn't suit you, then just don't do it, you also wouldn't deadlift/squat/bench in an uncomfortable position just for the heck of it (maybe if you want to specifically train only your lats that is another story).
I dislike that logic.
It's equivalent of saying "Do dead-lift with bad technique because you can lift more weight."
Wide arm pull-ups do feel more natural, and they do train your lats more (overall I feel they do more for you than close-grip pull ups). If you can't do pull-ups, just use an assist. I have this problem as well, but if you keep working at it, you'll be able to do a good number of pull-ups in no time.
why is using a narrow grip for pull ups the equivalent of doing deadlifts with bad technique? that doesnt make sense. wide grip = more lats, less arms narrow grip = more arms, less lats
simple as that. and just because you like wide grip pull ups more doesnt mean they are better. they cant even be "better" because they dont have the same purpose.
On December 06 2011 00:52 zatic wrote: I know they are supposed to be easier, but it can't be normal that I can do 12-8-7 chinups but barely 2 pullups? It feels like I have zero strenth once I switch to palms facing away and a wider grip (pullups are supposed to be wider than chinups right?)
Also any good tips how to prevent legs / hips to drive forward during either?
AFAIK, the only thing that defines a Pull-Up or a Chin-Up is how you grip with your hands. You don't have to grip extra-wide to make it a pull-up. If a real wide grip doesn't suit you, then just don't do it, you also wouldn't deadlift/squat/bench in an uncomfortable position just for the heck of it (maybe if you want to specifically train only your lats that is another story).
I dislike that logic.
It's equivalent of saying "Do dead-lift with bad technique because you can lift more weight."
Wide arm pull-ups do feel more natural, and they do train your lats more (overall I feel they do more for you than close-grip pull ups). If you can't do pull-ups, just use an assist. I have this problem as well, but if you keep working at it, you'll be able to do a good number of pull-ups in no time.
I thin it is a pretty big stretch to say that I just told him that bad technic is ok. Also, I am sure comfortable grip width is a highly individual matter.
Yeah, you can do pull ups with all kinds of hand positioning depending on what you're aiming to achieve. If you're looking at doing them purely for functionality ie. to be able to pull yourself up from a hanging position in a real world situation I'd recommend close to or a little wider than shoulder width, whatever is most comfortable. If you are looking at targeting specific things do some research.
A great way to improve at doing pull ups (particularly if you struggle to do 1 or 2) is to do negatives ie. start at the top and lower yourself as slowly as possible. Bands are also an option.
On December 06 2011 00:52 zatic wrote: I know they are supposed to be easier, but it can't be normal that I can do 12-8-7 chinups but barely 2 pullups? It feels like I have zero strenth once I switch to palms facing away and a wider grip (pullups are supposed to be wider than chinups right?)
Also any good tips how to prevent legs / hips to drive forward during either?
AFAIK, the only thing that defines a Pull-Up or a Chin-Up is how you grip with your hands. You don't have to grip extra-wide to make it a pull-up. If a real wide grip doesn't suit you, then just don't do it, you also wouldn't deadlift/squat/bench in an uncomfortable position just for the heck of it (maybe if you want to specifically train only your lats that is another story).
I dislike that logic.
It's equivalent of saying "Do dead-lift with bad technique because you can lift more weight."
Wide arm pull-ups do feel more natural, and they do train your lats more (overall I feel they do more for you than close-grip pull ups). If you can't do pull-ups, just use an assist. I have this problem as well, but if you keep working at it, you'll be able to do a good number of pull-ups in no time.
I thin it is a pretty big stretch to say that I just told him that bad technic is ok. Also, I am sure comfortable grip width is a highly individual matter.
I suppose you're right. It just felt you were trying to make him change his technique because he couldn't do them very well. If it was an issue on the pull ups feeling weird, I'd totally agree with you and switching up the grip. But in his case I do feel it's more likely some muscles being underdeveloped.
Might also consider trying out neutral grip as well. First time I did neutral grip I could really feel my lats working hard, as opposed to my chin-ups.
On December 06 2011 09:02 Delarchon wrote: Anyone have experience with working out when slightly ill? And if it is an absolute NO, when can i continue?
I am doing gym 3 times per week and cardio 2 times per week and having runny nose and cough but no fever.
I was in exactly the same condition as you for almost a week but still went there and did my stuff. Even had a slight headache but managed to do everything. Just try to get enough sleep and go there if you certainly don't have fever in which case I would skip it.
Does anyone here know of any really really good super sets for the back? Mainly higher back area around shoulders? I've been going to gym for past 5-6~ months all my muscles get sore after workouts except the back... and it just frustrates me D:
Well yes, it at least lets me know that I strained the day before. Is there something wrong with working and hoping you feel sore the next day? I'm confused O_O
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