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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
December 04 2011 23:26 GMT
#14041
guys, could you recommend me some exercises on increasing your vertical? i could search the internet but i trust TL H&F more since they also recommended me HIIT in increasing my sprint speed (which really helped).
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
December 04 2011 23:30 GMT
#14042
Power cleans. Squat until you can do 2xbw and then start doing plyometrics
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
December 04 2011 23:42 GMT
#14043
What decaf said. Just squatting heavy and doing some oly lifting has made me reach 26" vertical at almost 100kg bw.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 23:54:17
December 04 2011 23:53 GMT
#14044
is power cleans what the exercise called? what is oly lifting? sorry >.< i dont know much

EDIT: just google power cleans and looks great but is there an alternative that doesnt require heavy weights? just asking btw thanks for the replies
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
December 05 2011 00:09 GMT
#14045
On December 05 2011 08:53 icystorage wrote:
is power cleans what the exercise called? what is oly lifting? sorry >.< i dont know much

EDIT: just google power cleans and looks great but is there an alternative that doesnt require heavy weights? just asking btw thanks for the replies


No, you're not going to get your vertical higher without working hard and pushing heavy weights.

Start with squats and power cleans. Somewhere between squatting 1.5x and 2x your bodyweight, you should add in plyometrics and actual jumping practice - Just by squatting, I've added 4" to my vertical at the same time that I added almost 50 lbs to my bodyweight (currently ~29" vertical).
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
December 05 2011 00:23 GMT
#14046
On December 05 2011 09:09 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 08:53 icystorage wrote:
is power cleans what the exercise called? what is oly lifting? sorry >.< i dont know much

EDIT: just google power cleans and looks great but is there an alternative that doesnt require heavy weights? just asking btw thanks for the replies


No, you're not going to get your vertical higher without working hard and pushing heavy weights.

Start with squats and power cleans. Somewhere between squatting 1.5x and 2x your bodyweight, you should add in plyometrics and actual jumping practice - Just by squatting, I've added 4" to my vertical at the same time that I added almost 50 lbs to my bodyweight (currently ~29" vertical).


the reason im asking is that i dont have heavy weights at home and i dont go to the gym (cant afford it) so ill probably just improvise, would that work too?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2011 01:14 GMT
#14047
On December 05 2011 09:23 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 09:09 phyre112 wrote:
On December 05 2011 08:53 icystorage wrote:
is power cleans what the exercise called? what is oly lifting? sorry >.< i dont know much

EDIT: just google power cleans and looks great but is there an alternative that doesnt require heavy weights? just asking btw thanks for the replies


No, you're not going to get your vertical higher without working hard and pushing heavy weights.

Start with squats and power cleans. Somewhere between squatting 1.5x and 2x your bodyweight, you should add in plyometrics and actual jumping practice - Just by squatting, I've added 4" to my vertical at the same time that I added almost 50 lbs to my bodyweight (currently ~29" vertical).


the reason im asking is that i dont have heavy weights at home and i dont go to the gym (cant afford it) so ill probably just improvise, would that work too?


Hmm, maybe eshlow will be able to help. The problem is that it's hard to train the lowerbody without weights, and you won't get a lot out of plyometrics if you aren't strong. Also, I think plyo can be a little dangerous without the adaptations that come from lifting heavy weights.

That said, I'm sure there's stuff you can do that will be effective, it just won't be as effective as it could be. If there's a will, there's a way.
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Zingpow
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia3 Posts
December 05 2011 06:16 GMT
#14048
You can increase your jump without weights (or very minimal use of weights), I have done it, and know many others who have. You need to jump a lot, and know how to land well. It's relatively simple, you want to get good at something, do a lot of it.

Do lots of walking lunges (forwards and backwards), lots of wall sits, and squats. You can progress to jump squats and jumping lunges. Weight vests are awesome to incorporate once you have a good foundation of strength.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 05 2011 06:51 GMT
#14049
Work your leg strength up with single leg squats/pistols.

Practice jumping both vertical and broad to make sure you have good mechanics.

After you get good with pistols/SLS start jumping with them for distance and whatnot. Learn how to sprint as well.

The problem is its actually very hard to increase leg strength significantly without weights.
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AndyJay
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 11:05:01
December 05 2011 11:03 GMT
#14050
My power clean form is so shit arghhhhhh. It seems so simple watching videos but actually doing it with hard weight is a whole different story. I gotta get a vid so you guys can rip it apart and see where I'm going wrong. I would ask a PT at my gym but my only experience with them is one giving me advice to try not to hurt my back while doing a warm up deadlift with 50kg on it (I waited 'till he went away until I did my actual DL of 140kg).

Btw Mr PT I haven't had a back issue since I started SS 6 weeks ago despite ongoing problems for the past 3 years before that.
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
December 05 2011 11:24 GMT
#14051
yeah its amazing how squats and deadlifts can cure back/knee pain.. was the same for me. struggled with bad knees and also back pain for years, then it all went away as I started to lose weight and lift heavy shit!

speaking of which, snatched a personal best of 60kg yesterday!
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[SuNdae]
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Finland323 Posts
December 05 2011 11:49 GMT
#14052
As for the vertical exercises, I tried bulgarian split squats today for the first time, shits effective.


Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 05 2011 11:52 GMT
#14053
On December 05 2011 20:24 Zafrumi wrote:
yeah its amazing how squats and deadlifts can cure back/knee pain.. was the same for me. struggled with bad knees and also back pain for years, then it all went away as I started to lose weight and lift heavy shit!

speaking of which, snatched a personal best of 60kg yesterday!


I had the same, partially due to having to carry backpacks through high school with ~12kg of weight in them. My back used to ache because of that (not every day, but often enough that it was a nuisance). Now that I do my deads and squats, it's all gone
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
December 05 2011 13:02 GMT
#14054
So what can i do to strengthen my midsection?
Today i box squatted 100kgx2-2-2-2-2 legs weren't gassed at all, always my midsection which fails to keep me upright.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
December 05 2011 13:20 GMT
#14055
On December 05 2011 22:02 glurio wrote:
So what can i do to strengthen my midsection?
Today i box squatted 100kgx2-2-2-2-2 legs weren't gassed at all, always my midsection which fails to keep me upright.

Might be because you are not activating glutes enough? Try stretching out your hipflexors and erectors, that workes for me at least.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 15:33:07
December 05 2011 15:31 GMT
#14056
http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/n13d8/i_am_mark_rippetoe_author_of_starting_strength/

Rippetoe's AMA has started, hasn't answered any questions as of yet.


On December 05 2011 22:02 glurio wrote:
So what can i do to strengthen my midsection?
Today i box squatted 100kgx2-2-2-2-2 legs weren't gassed at all, always my midsection which fails to keep me upright.

More squats/dls? :p Otherwise weighted roman chair stuff is recommended I believe.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
December 05 2011 15:52 GMT
#14057
I know they are supposed to be easier, but it can't be normal that I can do 12-8-7 chinups but barely 2 pullups? It feels like I have zero strenth once I switch to palms facing away and a wider grip (pullups are supposed to be wider than chinups right?)

Also any good tips how to prevent legs / hips to drive forward during either?
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 05 2011 16:03 GMT
#14058
On December 06 2011 00:52 zatic wrote:
I know they are supposed to be easier, but it can't be normal that I can do 12-8-7 chinups but barely 2 pullups? It feels like I have zero strenth once I switch to palms facing away and a wider grip (pullups are supposed to be wider than chinups right?)

Also any good tips how to prevent legs / hips to drive forward during either?

How are you with wider grip chin-ups? You might be lacking lat strength. I personally do wider than shoulder-width grip chin-ups and I can do just as many BW pull-ups as chin-ups (although not as much weighted obv).
Only way to not swing is to go slower imo.
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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
December 05 2011 16:07 GMT
#14059
Last heavy deadlifts for the meet. Did a decent 220kg pull and need to work on my technique.

Will do a heavy bench session on wedensday and then just chill and do some mobility and technical work.

12 days baby!
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 05 2011 16:12 GMT
#14060
So apparently I lost 6lb over 2 weeks of not counting calories. doh!
No wonder I lost 10~20lb on my bench and squat. I eat so little when I don't pay attention
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