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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 02:16:20
November 17 2011 02:05 GMT
#13581
On November 17 2011 10:43 Ludrik wrote:
As long as it's good quality I think people would pay that. The price doesn't seem to be too prohibitive.

Somewhere down the line I'd like to do more bodyweight stuff. I have a goal of a handstand pushup but it's still a long way away. Just out of curiosity do you think it's better for beginners to establish a base of upperbody strength using barbells and then transitioning into bodyweight stuff, or do you think it's better to just go straight to the bodyweight exercises?


You can go either way.

I prefer going straight bodyweight but that's because i know how to program effectively.

I would say most people without guidance would probably be better off with barbell strength and working handstands and other skill work concurrently with the barbell work though.

I do think bodyweight programming that is effectively implemented can be a bit faster than barbell strength work though since it's more closed chain and requires a lot more cocontraction of the muscles.

On November 17 2011 10:48 GoTuNk! wrote:
Haven't you considered the marketing aproach of the "4 hour body" and going for like 10 bucks on a e-book version?


Two factors: piracy and the fact that most people want to have a book with them when they go to the gym or wherever they train.

Ferriss was already famous which helped him sell stuff. So if he puts out an e-book a lot of people will buy it for the most part. I mean, people will pirate his but I would get pirated a lot more than he would (proportionally).

---------------

Again, really, the thing is $50 "seems" high. But what if I split 529 pages into each of 175 pages and just made 3 books of $20. People would say that's reasonably priced... except then you just paid $60 total for the whole thing instead of $50 total.

Additionally, for example, NSCA's essentials of strength and condition is around 600ish pages and $60. No one is saying that is highly priced. Starting Strength as I stated earlier is $30 for 330ish pages. Practical Programming is 220 pages for $20.

I think it's scaled reasonably. Hell, freakin college textbooks were 400-500 pages for $120 bucks. So I mean.... it's not like it's THE most expensive book you've ever seen for the price.

But yeah, I'm marketing to a niche group and I know that. So it is what it is!
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 17 2011 02:06 GMT
#13582
On November 17 2011 11:05 Orpheos wrote:
fuck... tried working out today but in the middle of warm up sets it seems like I relaly aggravated my knee. its been pretty sore ever since monday's workout(since I failed but tried really hard). is there anything I can do to accelerate the healing? and is there a good way to know I am ready to workout again without going there and just obliterating myself again?


Ice

Bodyweight squats for higher reptitions. If doesn't hurt reintroduce yourself below your current and work back into over 1.5-2 week period
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
November 17 2011 02:10 GMT
#13583
RICE it (rest, ice, compression, elevation). Try posting in the injuries thread and answer the questions in the OP.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
November 17 2011 02:18 GMT
#13584
lol Im a weak ass punk so it was acutally bw squats that hurt me on monday. today I got up to 135lb when my knees crapped out on me
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
November 17 2011 02:44 GMT
#13585
On November 17 2011 10:57 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:41 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
One day decaf, I hope to get high enough squat numbers like you to get muscular glutes so girls start grabbing my ass.


Try barbell Bulgarian split squats. I gained 2 inches on my glutes the first month I did them (on a smith though).
Damn that's amazing, didn't even know what they were until I looked it up but I can see how it can make that ass bigger. How much weight/sets/reps were you doing for the Bulgarian squats bro?

-------------------------

On a separate note, last week I did my set of 265lb deadlift but today I couldn't even lift it 1 inch for 275lb. I'm still pretty shocked, I guess I have to deload it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Going to a positive note though my squats are progressively going up, I'm hoping for 225lb 2 plates before Christmas break! <3
I <3 Plexa.
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
November 17 2011 03:42 GMT
#13586
I have a really hard time controlling my eating. Straight up, have for quite a while now. I've always been trying to figure out how to fix it, and I think I may have found something.

The last little while I've been eating a small breakfast, going to school without eating anything there. When I get home, I'll eat one big meal, and arbitrarily not eat after 4PM. It's been working wonderfully. I just want to make sure this is ok. I'm not really feeling "hungry" at any point. I get extremely close, but not quite there. I am trying to lose weight, and have been eating about 300 cal for the breakfast, 1300 for the big meal.

Is this unhealthy, or should I be ok?
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
November 17 2011 05:38 GMT
#13587
On November 17 2011 11:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 10:57 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:41 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
One day decaf, I hope to get high enough squat numbers like you to get muscular glutes so girls start grabbing my ass.


Try barbell Bulgarian split squats. I gained 2 inches on my glutes the first month I did them (on a smith though).
Damn that's amazing, didn't even know what they were until I looked it up but I can see how it can make that ass bigger. How much weight/sets/reps were you doing for the Bulgarian squats bro?


On a smith I think I got up to about 175lbs for 3x10 when I was around 140lbs. For reference I was probably back squatting (barbell, not smith) about 4x6 @255lbs at the time. The Bulgarian is probably better than a regular split squat or an in-place lunge for your glutes because the repetition pushes up and forward instead of up and back.

One thing you should be careful to avoid is using the back leg to help with the rep. For me, my feet are placed farther apart than what you'd think, so that my front shin stays pretty much vertical the entire rep. I just searched a dozen or so vids and this one not only has the best form, but she also explains it very well. In every other vid they either don't go down far enough, or don't move their hips back enough as they go down in the rep (to keep the front shin vertical). If you do this in a 0 degree smith, the fixed bar will force your shoulders forward as you go down, which puts more emphasis on the glutes instead of the quads. If I buy a smith or get a gym membership I'll try it and see if my memory serves me correctly. I always go by feel instead of visual cues to get my form working the muscles I want.
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XuoriG
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada165 Posts
November 17 2011 05:58 GMT
#13588
On November 17 2011 12:42 Dalguno wrote:
I have a really hard time controlling my eating. Straight up, have for quite a while now. I've always been trying to figure out how to fix it, and I think I may have found something.

The last little while I've been eating a small breakfast, going to school without eating anything there. When I get home, I'll eat one big meal, and arbitrarily not eat after 4PM. It's been working wonderfully. I just want to make sure this is ok. I'm not really feeling "hungry" at any point. I get extremely close, but not quite there. I am trying to lose weight, and have been eating about 300 cal for the breakfast, 1300 for the big meal.

Is this unhealthy, or should I be ok?


Hmm depends how much you weight right now I guess. For me, a total of 1600 cals per day would be cutting way too much. From what I've seen around here You should probably be on a slight deficit and lift heavy weights!
LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
November 17 2011 06:05 GMT
#13589
On November 17 2011 12:42 Dalguno wrote:
I have a really hard time controlling my eating. Straight up, have for quite a while now. I've always been trying to figure out how to fix it, and I think I may have found something.

The last little while I've been eating a small breakfast, going to school without eating anything there. When I get home, I'll eat one big meal, and arbitrarily not eat after 4PM. It's been working wonderfully. I just want to make sure this is ok. I'm not really feeling "hungry" at any point. I get extremely close, but not quite there. I am trying to lose weight, and have been eating about 300 cal for the breakfast, 1300 for the big meal.

Is this unhealthy, or should I be ok?


1300 is way too much for one meal. The more, smaller meals you can divide your caloric intake into the better. Even if you lose weight in the short term, it's unhealthy. Ideally you should divide your calories into about 5-6 smaller meals (varies per person), or 3 meals and a couple snacks. It helps regulate your blood sugar/insulin levels, gives you more balanced energy throughout the day, and actually increases your caloric requirements.
I <3 서지훈
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
November 17 2011 06:24 GMT
#13590
On November 17 2011 14:38 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 11:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On November 17 2011 10:57 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:41 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
One day decaf, I hope to get high enough squat numbers like you to get muscular glutes so girls start grabbing my ass.


Try barbell Bulgarian split squats. I gained 2 inches on my glutes the first month I did them (on a smith though).
Damn that's amazing, didn't even know what they were until I looked it up but I can see how it can make that ass bigger. How much weight/sets/reps were you doing for the Bulgarian squats bro?


On a smith I think I got up to about 175lbs for 3x10 when I was around 140lbs. For reference I was probably back squatting (barbell, not smith) about 4x6 @255lbs at the time. The Bulgarian is probably better than a regular split squat or an in-place lunge for your glutes because the repetition pushes up and forward instead of up and back.

One thing you should be careful to avoid is using the back leg to help with the rep. For me, my feet are placed farther apart than what you'd think, so that my front shin stays pretty much vertical the entire rep. I just searched a dozen or so vids and this one not only has the best form, but she also explains it very well. In every other vid they either don't go down far enough, or don't move their hips back enough as they go down in the rep (to keep the front shin vertical). If you do this in a 0 degree smith, the fixed bar will force your shoulders forward as you go down, which puts more emphasis on the glutes instead of the quads. If I buy a smith or get a gym membership I'll try it and see if my memory serves me correctly. I always go by feel instead of visual cues to get my form working the muscles I want.
Damn man, thanks a ton! I really liked the girls demonstration and it also helped tremendously that she was really hot.

I'm probably going to try some for a while with no weight just to get used to it and adapt to the balance without holding anything and then start at low weight with dumbbell in each hand before going for the smith machine.

I'll keep the things you/she said in mind, here's to getting big manly glutes!
I <3 Plexa.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 06:47:30
November 17 2011 06:36 GMT
#13591
On November 17 2011 15:05 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:42 Dalguno wrote:
I have a really hard time controlling my eating. Straight up, have for quite a while now. I've always been trying to figure out how to fix it, and I think I may have found something.

The last little while I've been eating a small breakfast, going to school without eating anything there. When I get home, I'll eat one big meal, and arbitrarily not eat after 4PM. It's been working wonderfully. I just want to make sure this is ok. I'm not really feeling "hungry" at any point. I get extremely close, but not quite there. I am trying to lose weight, and have been eating about 300 cal for the breakfast, 1300 for the big meal.

Is this unhealthy, or should I be ok?


1300 is way too much for one meal. The more, smaller meals you can divide your caloric intake into the better. Even if you lose weight in the short term, it's unhealthy. Ideally you should divide your calories into about 5-6 smaller meals (varies per person), or 3 meals and a couple snacks. It helps regulate your blood sugar/insulin levels, gives you more balanced energy throughout the day, and actually increases your caloric requirements.


Pretty much what LonelyMargarita said is wrong. It's complete broscience, and you'll be perfectly fine if you get most of your calories in a few big meals as opposed to multiple small meals; your body is incredibly good at regulating itself, so the important thing is really that you get into a pattern that you are comfortable with.
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
November 17 2011 07:01 GMT
#13592
On November 17 2011 11:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On a separate note, last week I did my set of 265lb deadlift but today I couldn't even lift it 1 inch for 275lb. I'm still pretty shocked, I guess I have to deload it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


If you can't even get the bar off the ground, it's probably a grip strength issue. Use chalk if you're not, and work your grip with more deadlifts, pull-ups, etc.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
November 17 2011 07:20 GMT
#13593
On November 17 2011 15:36 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 15:05 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:42 Dalguno wrote:
I have a really hard time controlling my eating. Straight up, have for quite a while now. I've always been trying to figure out how to fix it, and I think I may have found something.

The last little while I've been eating a small breakfast, going to school without eating anything there. When I get home, I'll eat one big meal, and arbitrarily not eat after 4PM. It's been working wonderfully. I just want to make sure this is ok. I'm not really feeling "hungry" at any point. I get extremely close, but not quite there. I am trying to lose weight, and have been eating about 300 cal for the breakfast, 1300 for the big meal.

Is this unhealthy, or should I be ok?


1300 is way too much for one meal. The more, smaller meals you can divide your caloric intake into the better. Even if you lose weight in the short term, it's unhealthy. Ideally you should divide your calories into about 5-6 smaller meals (varies per person), or 3 meals and a couple snacks. It helps regulate your blood sugar/insulin levels, gives you more balanced energy throughout the day, and actually increases your caloric requirements.


Pretty much what LonelyMargarita said is wrong. It's complete broscience, and you'll be perfectly fine if you get most of your calories in a few big meals as opposed to multiple small meals; your body is incredibly good at regulating itself, so the important thing is really that you get into a pattern that you are comfortable with.


You'll note I linked to a study, whereas you did not. I could link to ten other sites saying the same thing, if you'd like.
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Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
November 17 2011 07:30 GMT
#13594
On November 17 2011 16:01 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 11:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On a separate note, last week I did my set of 265lb deadlift but today I couldn't even lift it 1 inch for 275lb. I'm still pretty shocked, I guess I have to deload it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


If you can't even get the bar off the ground, it's probably a grip strength issue. Use chalk if you're not, and work your grip with more deadlifts, pull-ups, etc.
Absolutely bro. While I deload I'm still progressively increasing my weighted chin/pull-ups and with the combination of already using chalk hopefully next time I'm on 275lb deadlift I'll be able to do it.
I <3 Plexa.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
November 17 2011 08:12 GMT
#13595
Already losing weight, although still good 10-15 heavier than whan I first started. Without the exercise I'm never hungry... Will be at doctor next week, and hopefully can get back to exercising. If not, I'll continue to just eat more.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20157 Posts
November 17 2011 08:17 GMT
#13596
On November 17 2011 16:20 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 15:36 phyre112 wrote:
On November 17 2011 15:05 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:42 Dalguno wrote:
I have a really hard time controlling my eating. Straight up, have for quite a while now. I've always been trying to figure out how to fix it, and I think I may have found something.

The last little while I've been eating a small breakfast, going to school without eating anything there. When I get home, I'll eat one big meal, and arbitrarily not eat after 4PM. It's been working wonderfully. I just want to make sure this is ok. I'm not really feeling "hungry" at any point. I get extremely close, but not quite there. I am trying to lose weight, and have been eating about 300 cal for the breakfast, 1300 for the big meal.

Is this unhealthy, or should I be ok?


1300 is way too much for one meal. The more, smaller meals you can divide your caloric intake into the better. Even if you lose weight in the short term, it's unhealthy. Ideally you should divide your calories into about 5-6 smaller meals (varies per person), or 3 meals and a couple snacks. It helps regulate your blood sugar/insulin levels, gives you more balanced energy throughout the day, and actually increases your caloric requirements.


Pretty much what LonelyMargarita said is wrong. It's complete broscience, and you'll be perfectly fine if you get most of your calories in a few big meals as opposed to multiple small meals; your body is incredibly good at regulating itself, so the important thing is really that you get into a pattern that you are comfortable with.


You'll note I linked to a study, whereas you did not. I could link to ten other sites saying the same thing, if you'd like.


IIRC, the most important things are consistent meal time/frequency not the amount of meals. It's 3am though don't feell ike looking up studies, hopefully eshlow has them bookmarked :-p
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
November 17 2011 08:20 GMT
#13597
On November 17 2011 10:57 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:41 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
One day decaf, I hope to get high enough squat numbers like you to get muscular glutes so girls start grabbing my ass.


Try barbell Bulgarian split squats. I gained 2 inches on my glutes the first month I did them (on a smith though).

Kamais is just a novice, everything will grow. My girlfriend is starting to grab my ass when I'm on top, and that's after only 5 months of the program.

Also, squats just fixed my stool wtf. Diarroea yesterday, squat heavy, one solid turd ribbon again.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
November 17 2011 08:26 GMT
#13598
On November 17 2011 09:35 eshlow wrote:
OMG I'm soooooo happy I'm almost done with my book. lol. Almost a weight off my shoulders


Oh wow! Congratulations!

@Car flipping: I dunno but there is a 600kg or some heavy tyre in my gym. I really need to work on flipping that....


As for glutes, girls and split squats: Squats, deadlifts (and 10 years of badminton) built rock solid glutes but split squats only wrecked my knees
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4734 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 08:49:50
November 17 2011 08:45 GMT
#13599
On November 15 2011 08:47 decafchicken wrote:
Your move, malinor.



Also, epic fail terrible form @ 535
+ Show Spoiler +


Maxed out my bench too since i couldnt CJ/snatch to save my life after that lift, still putting up around 275 (close miss at 285) even though i havent benched consistently in a year (when i started oly lifting)


Just came back from holidays and just saw this. Good stuff Decaf (took you long enough though ). We'll see what I can do in some time.
A miss like your 535lb try basically never happens to me. I am ass weak from the ground, but when I get the bar to move 5-10cm from the floor, I don't face problems until the lock-out.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
November 17 2011 09:15 GMT
#13600
On November 17 2011 16:20 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 15:36 phyre112 wrote:
On November 17 2011 15:05 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:42 Dalguno wrote:
I have a really hard time controlling my eating. Straight up, have for quite a while now. I've always been trying to figure out how to fix it, and I think I may have found something.

The last little while I've been eating a small breakfast, going to school without eating anything there. When I get home, I'll eat one big meal, and arbitrarily not eat after 4PM. It's been working wonderfully. I just want to make sure this is ok. I'm not really feeling "hungry" at any point. I get extremely close, but not quite there. I am trying to lose weight, and have been eating about 300 cal for the breakfast, 1300 for the big meal.

Is this unhealthy, or should I be ok?


1300 is way too much for one meal. The more, smaller meals you can divide your caloric intake into the better. Even if you lose weight in the short term, it's unhealthy. Ideally you should divide your calories into about 5-6 smaller meals (varies per person), or 3 meals and a couple snacks. It helps regulate your blood sugar/insulin levels, gives you more balanced energy throughout the day, and actually increases your caloric requirements.


Pretty much what LonelyMargarita said is wrong. It's complete broscience, and you'll be perfectly fine if you get most of your calories in a few big meals as opposed to multiple small meals; your body is incredibly good at regulating itself, so the important thing is really that you get into a pattern that you are comfortable with.


You'll note I linked to a study, whereas you did not. I could link to ten other sites saying the same thing, if you'd like.

There is no studies showing any relationship between meal frequency and fatloss, a higher meal frequency have been shown to make you hungrier actually.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20339363
First ones I found.

For maximum muscle gain there was a study a few weeks ago which, if I recall correctly, said you want to eat every 4-5 hours. But since Dalguno is trying to lose weight what he does should be perfectly fine.

I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
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