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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 08:45:33
August 01 2011 08:45 GMT
#9341
On August 01 2011 15:43 AoN.DimSum wrote:
recommend me some nutrition books!

List I thought of:
-The Paleo Solution
-Good Calories,Bad Calories
-Vegetarian Myth

The Primal blueprint?
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
August 01 2011 09:32 GMT
#9342
For Powerclean my flexibility is still lacking, after almost 3 weeks. It's definately gotten better but still can't rack properly. Should attempting Powercleans be enough to increase my flexibility or should I do stretches aswell on my off days?
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Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
August 01 2011 09:35 GMT
#9343
On August 01 2011 18:32 BouBou.865 wrote:
For Powerclean my flexibility is still lacking, after almost 3 weeks. It's definately gotten better but still can't rack properly. Should attempting Powercleans be enough to increase my flexibility or should I do stretches aswell on my off days?


Add some front squats to your workouts. Possibly do some in every workout with light weights just for the flexibility.
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jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
August 01 2011 11:29 GMT
#9344
text heavy-

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 30 2011 16:20 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 15:48 jjhchsc2 wrote:
On July 30 2011 03:25 eshlow wrote:
On July 29 2011 15:18 jjhchsc2 wrote:
ahhhh back to basketball season-
Do any of you guys train your 50/100m sprints?
is it still like any strength training where you would do a sprint 3x5/5x5?
do weighted sprints increase your speed or is it just unecessary?

My vertical jump (where you just jump straight up into the air) gone from 42cm to 52 cm and back down to 47cm by yesterday. it increased coz i lost abit of weight and i was doing alot of running/basketball and i am now looking to increase it again.
i have found this site http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/plyometricexercises.html and found it pretty useful. seem good?
Are there any benefits of doing any of the excercises 1 legged? except for the fact that it is harder?
Are there any other calisthenics/simple weight training to increase my vertical jump as well?


Read Kelly Baggett's stuff

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/


wow alot of interesting articles. i will be sure to read them.
thanks.

On July 29 2011 17:37 phyre112 wrote:
On July 29 2011 15:18 jjhchsc2 wrote:
ahhhh back to basketball season-
Do any of you guys train your 50/100m sprints?
is it still like any strength training where you would do a sprint 3x5/5x5?
do weighted sprints increase your speed or is it just unecessary?

My vertical jump (where you just jump straight up into the air) gone from 42cm to 52 cm and back down to 47cm by yesterday. it increased coz i lost abit of weight and i was doing alot of running/basketball and i am now looking to increase it again.
i have found this site http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/plyometricexercises.html and found it pretty useful. seem good?
Are there any benefits of doing any of the excercises 1 legged? except for the fact that it is harder?
Are there any other calisthenics/simple weight training to increase my vertical jump as well?


For sprinting volume, 3x5 or 5x5 would be terrible. Look into "High Intensity Interval Training" - Basically you sprint all out for a period of time, then either rest or jog for a period of time, then sprint again. If you've already got the cardio down to run through an entire basketball game, this should be the main thing you need to do to improve. Weighted sprints are only going to lead to injury. I'm not entirely sure how you would "weight" them - carrying a dumbbell? Strapping heavy things to your wrist/ankles? Either way, don't bother.

Plyometrics are helpful, if you've already got strength behind them - especially when it comes to things like vertical jump. These types of things might be useful for changing directions, but if jumping is what you're worried about, look elsewhere. First, Squat heavy. Second, Power clean (or even better, full clean) heavy. The squat is a Huge strength movement, involving the majority of muscles in the body, especially the lower body and core. The power clean (and the full clean) are an explosive movement, that when properly executed take a large portion of that strength, and put it to use very quickly. You can mess around with all the running, the box jumps, the one legged jump squats, whatever.... and they'll give you some results, but anyone who's got a great vertical leap also has a big squat. There's just no better way to develop the leg strength.

Get on a strength program like SS - perhaps modified to only work out 2 days a week if you're doing a lot of basketball in between, and you will see an improvement in your basketball, in more areas than just your jump. Some plyometrics are worth doing - and you can add those in eventually, but unless you're already strong, they're not the best way to get where you want to go.


thanks for saving me the injury hahaha and the HIIT stuff looks really fun and time effecient to do.
I currently dont have access to a gym currently because of school (in korea it's very strict about having to just pure study) i went to the gym abit before because of holiday/break.
in the meantime i will just try to do some weightless squats and practice my jump technique/squat technique. hmmmmmmm is there anything else?
Do you need a coach for the power clean? looks abit dangerous/scary haha


Power Cleans can always be helped by having a coach, but it's not at all necessary. There's been various sources for form linked through this thread, and there are more through the internet. Read up, watch some videos, then get out and try it. Take some videos of yourself, critique them, and then post them up here so that we can all give you tips as well, and you should be good.

If you want to do squats without weight, try a progression towards one legged squats - just doing free standing ones is going to be too easy to provide any strength gain.


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 30 2011 22:13 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 15:48 jjhchsc2 wrote:
On July 30 2011 03:25 eshlow wrote:
On July 29 2011 15:18 jjhchsc2 wrote:
ahhhh back to basketball season-
Do any of you guys train your 50/100m sprints?
is it still like any strength training where you would do a sprint 3x5/5x5?
do weighted sprints increase your speed or is it just unecessary?

My vertical jump (where you just jump straight up into the air) gone from 42cm to 52 cm and back down to 47cm by yesterday. it increased coz i lost abit of weight and i was doing alot of running/basketball and i am now looking to increase it again.
i have found this site http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/plyometricexercises.html and found it pretty useful. seem good?
Are there any benefits of doing any of the excercises 1 legged? except for the fact that it is harder?
Are there any other calisthenics/simple weight training to increase my vertical jump as well?


Read Kelly Baggett's stuff

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/


wow alot of interesting articles. i will be sure to read them.
thanks.

On July 29 2011 17:37 phyre112 wrote:
On July 29 2011 15:18 jjhchsc2 wrote:
ahhhh back to basketball season-
Do any of you guys train your 50/100m sprints?
is it still like any strength training where you would do a sprint 3x5/5x5?
do weighted sprints increase your speed or is it just unecessary?

My vertical jump (where you just jump straight up into the air) gone from 42cm to 52 cm and back down to 47cm by yesterday. it increased coz i lost abit of weight and i was doing alot of running/basketball and i am now looking to increase it again.
i have found this site http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/plyometricexercises.html and found it pretty useful. seem good?
Are there any benefits of doing any of the excercises 1 legged? except for the fact that it is harder?
Are there any other calisthenics/simple weight training to increase my vertical jump as well?


For sprinting volume, 3x5 or 5x5 would be terrible. Look into "High Intensity Interval Training" - Basically you sprint all out for a period of time, then either rest or jog for a period of time, then sprint again. If you've already got the cardio down to run through an entire basketball game, this should be the main thing you need to do to improve. Weighted sprints are only going to lead to injury. I'm not entirely sure how you would "weight" them - carrying a dumbbell? Strapping heavy things to your wrist/ankles? Either way, don't bother.

Plyometrics are helpful, if you've already got strength behind them - especially when it comes to things like vertical jump. These types of things might be useful for changing directions, but if jumping is what you're worried about, look elsewhere. First, Squat heavy. Second, Power clean (or even better, full clean) heavy. The squat is a Huge strength movement, involving the majority of muscles in the body, especially the lower body and core. The power clean (and the full clean) are an explosive movement, that when properly executed take a large portion of that strength, and put it to use very quickly. You can mess around with all the running, the box jumps, the one legged jump squats, whatever.... and they'll give you some results, but anyone who's got a great vertical leap also has a big squat. There's just no better way to develop the leg strength.

Get on a strength program like SS - perhaps modified to only work out 2 days a week if you're doing a lot of basketball in between, and you will see an improvement in your basketball, in more areas than just your jump. Some plyometrics are worth doing - and you can add those in eventually, but unless you're already strong, they're not the best way to get where you want to go.


thanks for saving me the injury hahaha and the HIIT stuff looks really fun and time effecient to do.
I currently dont have access to a gym currently because of school (in korea it's very strict about having to just pure study) i went to the gym abit before because of holiday/break.
in the meantime i will just try to do some weightless squats and practice my jump technique/squat technique. hmmmmmmm is there anything else?
Do you need a coach for the power clean? looks abit dangerous/scary haha


Before you do anything, read Kelly Baggett's stuff.

Also, would not recommend plyometrics unless your lifts are already good (e.g. 2x bodyweight squat/dl).


Thanks for all the advice. This should keep me in good company till i can access a gym.
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 11:49:16
August 01 2011 11:47 GMT
#9345
I just saw this the other day, but here is a dvd for power cleans. So if you have money to spend you can try it. http://www.werksanusa.com/prodinfo.asp?number=DVD-PC

Coach Leo is an awesome coach!


Thanks neco for the suggestion.
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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
August 01 2011 12:17 GMT
#9346
Annie Þórisdóttir just won the Crossfit games! What up?!
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Seth_
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Belgium184 Posts
August 01 2011 12:29 GMT
#9347
Does anyone know why I'm gaining tons of weight during the week and losing it all during the weekend?

Background info: I'm trying to lose some fat (72 kg, 1,76 m). During the week I work/live on my own. During the weekend I live with my parents. I'm training ~3-4 times a week, at least once during the week and one in the weekend. (HIIT, endurance... whatever I feel like doing or whatever my trainer put on my schedule). I'm trying to eat more protein, and cutting bread/soda... I weight myself friday evening when I get home and sunday between lunch and diner.
During the last weeks I've noticed I've always gained mass during the week. By the time for my oficial weigh-in on sunday, I've lost that weight again. I've noticed it before, but it was usually only 0,5-1 kg but during the last 2 weeks it was 2 kg (this week: 71,8 -> 73,7 -> 71,6). Am I doing something wrong?

Possible explanations:
Going to the bathroom more in the weekend (can't believe it's 2 kg though).
Sleeping less during the week (~6 hours) and enough in the weekend (~7-9 hours)
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
August 01 2011 12:32 GMT
#9348
I saw about 10 minutes of the crossfit games and my brain started to hurt. I couldn't stand to watch anymore. A decent way to get fit but that doesn't mean I want to watch someone do it.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
August 01 2011 12:35 GMT
#9349
On August 01 2011 21:29 Seth_ wrote:
Does anyone know why I'm gaining tons of weight during the week and losing it all during the weekend?

Background info: I'm trying to lose some fat (72 kg, 1,76 m). During the week I work/live on my own. During the weekend I live with my parents. I'm training ~3-4 times a week, at least once during the week and one in the weekend. (HIIT, endurance... whatever I feel like doing or whatever my trainer put on my schedule). I'm trying to eat more protein, and cutting bread/soda... I weight myself friday evening when I get home and sunday between lunch and diner.
During the last weeks I've noticed I've always gained mass during the week. By the time for my oficial weigh-in on sunday, I've lost that weight again. I've noticed it before, but it was usually only 0,5-1 kg but during the last 2 weeks it was 2 kg (this week: 71,8 -> 73,7 -> 71,6). Am I doing something wrong?

Possible explanations:
Going to the bathroom more in the weekend (can't believe it's 2 kg though).
Sleeping less during the week (~6 hours) and enough in the weekend (~7-9 hours)


Weigh yourself once a week. Always the same day, in the morning after going to the bathroom. I do it Sundays.
Compare weight from week to week not from days it's not useful, daily fluctuations can be anything, food, water intake etc.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
August 01 2011 12:36 GMT
#9350
On August 01 2011 21:29 Seth_ wrote:
Does anyone know why I'm gaining tons of weight during the week and losing it all during the weekend?

Background info: I'm trying to lose some fat (72 kg, 1,76 m). During the week I work/live on my own. During the weekend I live with my parents. I'm training ~3-4 times a week, at least once during the week and one in the weekend. (HIIT, endurance... whatever I feel like doing or whatever my trainer put on my schedule). I'm trying to eat more protein, and cutting bread/soda... I weight myself friday evening when I get home and sunday between lunch and diner.
During the last weeks I've noticed I've always gained mass during the week. By the time for my oficial weigh-in on sunday, I've lost that weight again. I've noticed it before, but it was usually only 0,5-1 kg but during the last 2 weeks it was 2 kg (this week: 71,8 -> 73,7 -> 71,6). Am I doing something wrong?

Possible explanations:
Going to the bathroom more in the weekend (can't believe it's 2 kg though).
Sleeping less during the week (~6 hours) and enough in the weekend (~7-9 hours)

It'll likely be a combination of changed diet due parents having a say in food preparation. I always lose weight when I visit my parents due to them having smaller food proportions. Not to mention it's very hard to have the same eating habits on days that you work compared to days that you don't work. I don't know what the normal fluctuation in water weight is but it could definately contribute.
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inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
August 01 2011 12:45 GMT
#9351
Seth_, its normal i sometimes have weightdifference in a day of 3kg, so it really is normal :D
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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
August 01 2011 18:14 GMT
#9352
Flat bench: worked up to 95kg x 2 and 95kg x 1

Inc db press: 21kg x 10, 26kg x 8 and 30kg x 6

Inc bb press: 40kg x 10, 50kg x 8, 60kg x 5

facepulls and machine rows
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4733 Posts
August 01 2011 18:50 GMT
#9353
On August 02 2011 03:14 sJarl wrote:
Flat bench: worked up to 95kg x 2 and 95kg x 1

Inc db press: 21kg x 10, 26kg x 8 and 30kg x 6

Inc bb press: 40kg x 10, 50kg x 8, 60kg x 5

facepulls and machine rows


Seems that your bench is progressing nicely, I am doing 100kg for the first time since over one year this thursday, but I hate benching.

Is your strongman career on hold at the moment?
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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
August 01 2011 18:55 GMT
#9354
Its doing ok, I wanted to get 3 reps on the first set though.

The strongman training was put on hold since I figured I needed plain more raw strength to be able to compete more ^^
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Steeped
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada87 Posts
August 01 2011 19:46 GMT
#9355
Todays workout at 160lb bodyweight

Squats: 180lbs
Bench: shoulder was feeling good today, i did 65lb easy so i jumped it up to 105lbs ( b4 my injury i could do this easily) but after 2 it hurt my shoulder so i guess im gonna have to take it slow.
Dead lift: 245lbs

The deadlifts are starting to get more difficult to grip and other than my damn shoulder holding my bench back i think i am doing pretty good. Constant progression on all my lifts. I am really liking posting my workouts in this thread its like a weightlifting journal haha.
xJupiter9x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
August 01 2011 20:23 GMT
#9356
I am burned out on squats. I think I am going to stop Smolov. School starting and working 40 hours a week. I can't squat like this 4 days a week. Gonna take a few weeks off and then decide what new program I'm going to do that wont be too taxing to were i can focus on school and not be exhausted at work.
Ohnoes92
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden76 Posts
August 01 2011 21:27 GMT
#9357
Monday was supposed to be a rest day for me.

Highlight of the day was moving 2000kg of floor boards from one pallet to another by hand at work, so much for resting days : /
Ohai!
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 01 2011 22:02 GMT
#9358
On August 01 2011 15:43 AoN.DimSum wrote:
recommend me some nutrition books!

List I thought of:
-The Paleo Solution
-Good Calories,Bad Calories
-Vegetarian Myth


Some more here:

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/recommended-materials/

On August 01 2011 11:16 doktorLucifer wrote:
I'm training twice a week, squatting, deadlifting and benching almost every training session. When I started lifting 2ish years ago, I was only 110 pounds. I gained that 25 pounds in the first few months of training, then pretty much lost and gained after that.

Right now, I'm training much more consistently, but I'm having some problems with my squats. I can squat 3x5x165 on a good day, but I'm starting to feel some stress above my left knee. Im decently flexible, so I squat ATG, use a high-bar position.

I'm making sure to keep my knees from caving or pushing out too far, knees and feet roughly aligned and pointing out at 30 degrees, etc. so I think Im doing it correctly, but I'm having a hard time improving my squat weight. What could be the problem?

Also, what is the proper grip for high-bar squats? Do I grip with my thumbs? Is a thumbless grip viable?


Eh, after 2 years of training you should definitely be doing heavier weights.

If knee is getting a bit iffy that tends to mean you're not sitting back enough.

Other tips in spoiler

1. Your feet are shoulder width apart and slightly toed out.
2. Head up, looking slightly above parallel.
3. Don’t look down! Ground is in peripheral vision only!
4. Accentuate the normal arch of the lumbar curve while pulling the excess arch out of the abs.
5. Keep midsection very tight.
6. Send your butt and your back down.
7. Knees track over the line of the foot.
8. Don’t let knees roll over inside of foot.
9. Keep your weight on your heels as much as possible.
10. STAY OFF THE BALLS OF THE FEET!
11. Delay forward travel of the knees as much as possible.
12. Lift your arms up and out as you descend.
13. Elongated torso.
14. Send hands as far away from butt as possible.
15. In profile, the ear does not move forward during the squat, only straight down.
16. Don’t just sink into the squat, pull yourself down with your hip flexors.
17. Don’t let the lumbar curve surrender as you settle into the bottom.
18. Stop when the fold of the hip is below the crease of the knee. Break parallel with your thighs.
19. Squeeeeeeeze glutes and hammies, rise without any leaning forward or shifting of balance.
20. Return on the exact same path as you descended.
21. Use every bit of musculature you can, no part of the body is left uninvolved.
22. On rising, without moving the feet, exert pressure to the outside of your feet as though you were trying to separate the ground beneath you.
23. At the top of the stroke, stand as tall as possible.


Grip I do not believe matters that much but I'm not sure which one Rip recommends. Shrug.

On August 01 2011 18:32 BouBou.865 wrote:
For Powerclean my flexibility is still lacking, after almost 3 weeks. It's definately gotten better but still can't rack properly. Should attempting Powercleans be enough to increase my flexibility or should I do stretches aswell on my off days?


Keep stretching...

You can still do things such as clean high pulls to avoid the rack and get most of the benefit for now
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
August 01 2011 22:06 GMT
#9359
thanks eshlow, btw i used your coupon to buy fish oil Also what book is your favorite out of all of these?
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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
August 01 2011 22:35 GMT
#9360
Wow I really can't work out fasted >_> Was going for 127.5 kg squat today but didn't even dare to go above 115 kg. Oh well, now I know!
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