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+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE]On June 29 2011 23:02 vicariouscheese wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 29 2011 16:40 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Arent weighted/non weighted push ups the same thing as bench?
Like, dont they both train the same muscles cept push ups require abit of core and lats as well?
I find push ups to be better than dips as they help the pecs as well.
Edit: spoilers and
Also would be wise to instead of benching/doing weighted push ups to alternate my bench/ weighted push ups with weighted dips?
Or is it better to just stick to one excercise and just not alternate?[/QUOTE]
Bench requires more core and stabilizers actually; the floor does not move, whereas a barbell does. Requires more secondary muscles to keep it in a straight path. Bench requires lats; for intermediate/advanced lifters, increasing bench is usually centered around strengthening your back and triceps (<-I may be wrong on this :/)
Dips are generally better than pushups as they use your whole body weight.
The thing with pushups is- how do you get stronger/bigger with them? Once you can do more than 10, it just becomes an endurance exercise and that does not increase strength or size. Also, it would be pretty difficult to balance 100lbs on your back for weighted pushups.
What kind of workout are you doing? Any reason why no SS? As a beginner it's much better to just stick with bench until you can't progress linearly anymore.
I am doing SS cept i have no gym nearby and i am too broke right now to afford weights.
BUT i have an awsm friend who lives like 5 mins away and has a garage gym but i can only go over twice a week (for private reasons).
During that time i bench, squat, deadlift/SS pretty much.
I can work out 3 times a week so i have to substitute my bench for weighted pushups/dips.
and just do wayyyy lighter squats/deadlift with my own weights which are like 10 kg and i do runs on my treadmile since i need endurance as well as strength for my life.
currently i do 10kg squats, 1-2km runs, a few 10kg deadliffts, weighted push ups and dips on the days which i dont go to my friends house.
I am thinking about transitioning to dips as the weights on my push ups are getting abit annoying.
After my push ups i can only manage like 3sets of 15 dips.
+ Show Spoiler +Pushups are in general better than bench if you can weight them. There's other variations that are fine. Bench is fine for building mass and strength though.
Dips are great as well for mass building,. They're like upper body squat.
Sticking with one is fine for now. Make sure you learn correct bench technique though
Thanks for the info eshlow. But how is the dip like an upper body squat?
Like i dont feel my pecs or anything core helping me cept my triceps.
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Putting this poll here so it gets some respondents  , post about it is on bottom of previous page:
Poll: What is your workout goal?Purely gain strength (13) 32% Gain both but more strength (8) 20% Lose weight (7) 17% Gain both but more muscle (7) 17% Purely gain muscle (3) 7% (3) 7% 41 total votes Your vote: What is your workout goal? (Vote): Lose weight
(Vote): Purely gain muscle
(Vote): Purely gain strength
(Vote): Gain both but more muscle
(Vote): Gain both but more strength
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well you cant gain strength without gaining muscles... also, my goals change sometimes. right now im trying to lose weight. when im done cutting imma train to be the most badass motherfucker that has ever walked this earth!
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On June 30 2011 19:21 Zafrumi wrote:
well you cant gain strength without gaining muscles... also, my goals change sometimes. right now im trying to lose weight. when im done cutting imma train to be the most badass motherfucker that has ever walked this earth!
don't know man, I've seen guys who went to the gym for 1 year, increased their max on every exercise, gained less than 1/8 inch on every muscle. Really impossible to see any increase visibly but they definitely became way stronger?
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I'm training for pure strength. I've pretty much realized my goal of how I want to look, so that's not a concern for me anymore. Now I just want to get stronger and dominate in CrossFit competitions, mixed in with a little olympic weightlifting competitions (but for crossfitters).
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On June 30 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:check in a mirror every day to make sure you dont get a flare-up of spots due to irritation and ingrown hairs as they grow back. if you do then pick up some (expensive) cream/gel to deal with it. i am still smooth but spotty as hell, only 3 weeks to get rid of them before holiday. got on antibiotics aswell to help  goddamnit why is nothing simple for me
Having terrible skin and a lot of hormones was one of the most useful experiences of my life imo. If you can get laid looking horrible, you'll have stupid amounts of confidence with women when you do actually look good. I used a product called roaccutane, a kind of antibiotics. All those creams don't really help that much, in my experience. And yes, they were mad expensive ones too (50 euro's for a scrub? 29 euro's for 100ml cleanser?!)
Date is postponed untill tomorrow by the way, her BFF's parents announced a break-up yadda yadda yadda. I don't think she's bailing though, because she said sorry like a million times. Oh well, gonna continue my gymming streak then
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On June 30 2011 19:15 sc4k wrote:Putting this poll here so it gets some respondents , post about it is on bottom of previous page: Poll: What is your workout goal?Purely gain strength (13) 32% Gain both but more strength (8) 20% Lose weight (7) 17% Gain both but more muscle (7) 17% Purely gain muscle (3) 7% (3) 7% 41 total votes Your vote: What is your workout goal? (Vote): Lose weight
(Vote): Purely gain muscle
(Vote): Purely gain strength
(Vote): Gain both but more muscle
(Vote): Gain both but more strength
(Vote):
To get the ladies
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That was clearly an option that was left out
For me it is to have fun, and getting stronger every day is really fun.
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Haha someone voted for the '...' option. I guess that means just they just turn up to the gym, then walk around aimlessly whilst listening to Radiohead, then walk home and go to sleep.
I didn't think 'get the ladies' was a very good option because it could be a partial factor in any gym routine, and it's not distinguishing between strength bias and muscle bias like I wanted to. Interesting to see the results fairly even across the board though!
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On June 30 2011 20:07 BouBou.865 wrote:Date is postponed untill tomorrow by the way, her BFF's parents announced a break-up yadda yadda yadda. I don't think she's bailing though, because she said sorry like a million times. Oh well, gonna continue my gymming streak then
Sounds legit to me gogo get extra buff before the big day!
BEEFCAKE style!
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On June 30 2011 21:04 sJarl wrote:That was clearly an option that was left out For me it is to have fun, and getting stronger every day is really fun.
Is certainly is.
Specially when girls touch you and they go from -_- to o.o
For me It's getting stronger, I know asthethics will follow after, but yes, Lifting heavy ass weights will never be not awesome :D!
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For me it's got to be about strength first. I'd hate to be the big guy who can't lift the heavy object. I want to be the little guy who can lift the heavy object. It's much more impressive.
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Weight loss for me. I'd like to look like a decent human being for once.
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On June 30 2011 19:13 jjhchsc2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 23:02 vicariouscheese wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 16:40 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Arent weighted/non weighted push ups the same thing as bench?
Like, dont they both train the same muscles cept push ups require abit of core and lats as well?
I find push ups to be better than dips as they help the pecs as well.
Edit: spoilers and
Also would be wise to instead of benching/doing weighted push ups to alternate my bench/ weighted push ups with weighted dips?
Or is it better to just stick to one excercise and just not alternate? Bench requires more core and stabilizers actually; the floor does not move, whereas a barbell does. Requires more secondary muscles to keep it in a straight path. Bench requires lats; for intermediate/advanced lifters, increasing bench is usually centered around strengthening your back and triceps (<-I may be wrong on this :/) Dips are generally better than pushups as they use your whole body weight. The thing with pushups is- how do you get stronger/bigger with them? Once you can do more than 10, it just becomes an endurance exercise and that does not increase strength or size. Also, it would be pretty difficult to balance 100lbs on your back for weighted pushups. What kind of workout are you doing? Any reason why no SS? As a beginner it's much better to just stick with bench until you can't progress linearly anymore. I am doing SS cept i have no gym nearby and i am too broke right now to afford weights. BUT i have an awsm friend who lives like 5 mins away and has a garage gym but i can only go over twice a week (for private reasons). During that time i bench, squat, deadlift/SS pretty much. I can work out 3 times a week so i have to substitute my bench for weighted pushups/dips. and just do wayyyy lighter squats/deadlift with my own weights which are like 10 kg and i do runs on my treadmile since i need endurance as well as strength for my life. currently i do 10kg squats, 1-2km runs, a few 10kg deadliffts, weighted push ups and dips on the days which i dont go to my friends house. I am thinking about transitioning to dips as the weights on my push ups are getting abit annoying. After my push ups i can only manage like 3sets of 15 dips. + Show Spoiler +Pushups are in general better than bench if you can weight them. There's other variations that are fine. Bench is fine for building mass and strength though.
Dips are great as well for mass building,. They're like upper body squat.
Sticking with one is fine for now. Make sure you learn correct bench technique though Thanks for the info eshlow. But how is the dip like an upper body squat? Like i dont feel my pecs or anything core helping me cept my triceps.
Go below parallel and you will feel it working your chest and lats
Also, add weight if you can do 3x15.... do like 3x5-8 or something with heavy weights
On June 30 2011 19:12 sc4k wrote:
I think I already asked this but it was like 200 pages or more back...how many of us are training for muscle gains vs strength and olympic lifting?
I know Decaf chicken and a few other chaps have pretty great muscularity here but I don't know, decaf are you training for building bigger muscles or just making your body more of a battering ram for rugby lol and are naturally well-defined from your good genetics?
Personally I have about a 80:20 bias towards building muscle vs strength.
On June 30 2011 19:33 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 19:21 Zafrumi wrote:
well you cant gain strength without gaining muscles... also, my goals change sometimes. right now im trying to lose weight. when im done cutting imma train to be the most badass motherfucker that has ever walked this earth! don't know man, I've seen guys who went to the gym for 1 year, increased their max on every exercise, gained less than 1/8 inch on every muscle. Really impossible to see any increase visibly but they definitely became way stronger?
Do you guys just like skip over the OP or something?
1. Diet modulates weight
2. Exercise modulates body composition.
Remember these two facts.
To gain muscle mass you must both have the exercise stimulus to force adaptations in body composition partitioning to muscle AND you must eat more.
Mass is ALWAYS going to be a function of eating. If you want to gain muscle you MUST eat more (unless you're relatively obese then you can gain muscle and lose fat relatively speaking fairly easily).
You can do SS or any intermediate program like Bill Starr's 5x5 but if you don't eat for mass you're not going to get big.
Anyone who trains for strength and eats will get big. Anyone who knows anything about training will tell you this (e.g. see weight class athletes like wrestlers, Oly lifters, power lifters, etc.)
That said if you are training purely for muscle there ARE some subtle deviations you do with programs once you get stronger. But that's after you get stronger. You don't see competitive BBers getting away from compound exercises like squats, DL, bench, rows, etc. for all of the crappy isolation routines you see in BB magazines. They do compounds THEN they will add in some isolations on top.
Basically, to add pure muscle you want to do a program like SS and eat a crapton until you get stronger and bigger. THEN you want to do an intermediate strength program or switch into a more hybridized compound/isolation program.
Ugh, I hate lecturing on this junk its just annoying
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In my opinion, you aren't gonna build muscle without strength. A better question would be whose going for hypertrophy compared to strength imo.
Anyways, I'd say its about 55-45 muscle-strength. My current program has me going for both though :D So best of both worlds, eh?
Edit: What sJ said though, its just damn fun. Lifting heavy is the most fun for me :D
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I've got a few questions with food (paleo)
1.) How do you make canned tuna taste good without bread?
2.) What do you think about Larabars?
3.) I don't have a lot of paleo food at home (high school student, I don't do the shopping) but we have a lot of almonds and walnuts. What is an acceptable amount of nuts to eat?
4.) Do you supplement with fish oil?
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On July 01 2011 00:34 Catch wrote:
In my opinion, you aren't gonna build muscle without strength. A better question would be whose going for hypertrophy compared to strength imo.
Anyways, I'd say its about 55-45 muscle-strength. My current program has me going for both though :D So best of both worlds, eh?
Edit: What sJ said though, its just damn fun. Lifting heavy is the most fun for me :D
Lifting heavy shit, and by the time you're done with your heavy DL set, people in the back and around you are O.O!=?!=kfauwbdfiaushdf?!?=?! wat?!
those are the little things <3.
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My training is pretty much as far from bodybuilding as it gets. My teammate that weighs the same as I do looks way bigger than i do. Form follows function, I train to get better at rugby and the body follow.
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On June 30 2011 23:30 eshlow wrote:
Do you guys just like skip over the OP or something?
Judging by the questions we get, I'd say the majority of people who weren't around when the thread started don't read the OP- at least not thoroughly 
After not having worked out seriously in about a month, I'm happy that yesterday I could still squat more than bodyweight. 185lbsx3x5, deadlifted 225x1x5 at ~170lbs. Felt easy, but just making sure it doesn't strain my knee.
Anyone else deadlift in lifting shoes? After getting yelled at for the second time for deadlifting barefoot I tried it out. A little strange, but whatever, beats my nike shocks.
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Where's the "look good naked" option on the poll? :D
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