EPTTL Health and Fitness Initiative 2011 - Page 402
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:12 GhostKorean wrote: I found out i lost 5 pounds. Does this mean I lost muscle? (nooooo) It's been almost one month since I stopped working out and I don't think its possible to lose 5 pounds of muscle in a month... -_- Uhhhh, depends on what you were eating and/or doing for training If you had a significant amount of muscle its certainly possible. if you're more type of like skinny fat or obese then its more likely you lost fat weight if you were eating better On June 30 2011 11:44 Release wrote: Pretty random question, but do you guys think costco has canned salmon and sardines? My mom does all food shopping so i have no idea. Likely fine. On June 30 2011 05:44 Zafrumi wrote: the day before it started I had a croissant, some bread and some pastry for breakfast (friend ate exactly the same though). for dinner I had squid/sepia salad with lots of random asian stuff in it (like cilantro, lettuce, sprouts and a ton of other stuff I didnt recognize). fried duck with rice, lots of fruits and a spicey dressing as main course. drank water with it. thats all I think. there is definitely something "stuck" in my intestines. it wants to come out but I think it might be too big :D manly poop ftw! Well, if you were cutting gluten for a while that could've done it to you. Otherwise not too sure about that. You might want to get that checked out of its still bothering you tomorrow and/or int he next few days if it doesn't normalize with good eating | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On June 30 2011 04:02 4thHatchery wrote: It's been over a month since my last post so time for updates. I haven't timed any exercises except for L-sit which is now ~35s on a good day and then I do two shorter holds to bring the total time to a minute. Tuck planche hasn't progressed much at all, which is annoying. Tuck FL I'd estimate to be about 15-20s. For BL I switched to straightening my body and then lowering to an angle where I can hold for a while. Not quite horizontal yet though. Wall handstand estimated about 15s, but usually less, as I'm trying to find my balance and most holds fail due to losing balance rather than because of fatigue. Some questions: Does it matter which way I grab the bar in back lever? I start with chinup grab and then bring my feet under the bar. I've seen pics/youtube videos where they start with their hands in a pullup position.I tried this once and it felt really uncomfortable and my grip didn't feel strong either. Tuck planche still 3s max, only progression is that I can bring my hips higher now. Can this sucking be explained by me gaining 3kg in weight? I'm unsure of the volume I should be doing here. Your article (eshlow) says to keep total time shorter in more intensive stuff but Christopher Sommer link says to just add sets to a minute of total time. Is there such a thing as resetting in body weight training? Also planche and handstands are hurting my wrists.+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Carpus.png) Pretty good on the L-sit. Generally, it's better to do submaximal sets and get uniform time. So if you can do 3x25s that would be great. Same with the other statics but generally only up to a minute or so. chinup grip for back lever... better biceps stimulation plus strengthens connective tissue better and less painful on the wrists planche is a pain in the butt. Generally you need to be doing an assistance pushing in conjunction with the statics like a hard pushup variation or dips or press handstands some sort of thing like that. If you can only get 3s it would be better to work on your overall strength with dips, leaned foward pushups, (ring turned out pushups would be good if you have a set of rings) and possibly the press handstands mentioned before Are you doing any of the wrist prehabilitation/rehab/mobility stuff I included in the article? If not, start doing it. Don't work through pain. Take a break and practice other stuff that doesn't cause you pain right now if possible. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:11 Release wrote: what's the difference between raw milk and whole milk? raw is non-processed. All of the live cultures are still in it. whole/skim/2%/etc. are all pasteurized and may have had some of the fats taken out of it I find it funny taht the FDA is trying to shut down raw milk/cheese/etc. (google this if you want) when probiotics and live cultures are generally considered to be great for gut health. Also, its very rare that someone is going to get illnesses from it anyway (but I guess you can never be too careful -_-) If I had the ability to access raw milk I would buy. On June 30 2011 12:12 thedeadhaji wrote: fuckkkk I had to eat rice today b/c I met someone at a cheap sushi place (but is surprisingly decent tasting) which had no non-rice options T_T Haha... rice is not the devil. Probably the best of the non-paleo stuff you could eat anyway! | ||
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Advocado
Denmark994 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:19 eshlow wrote: raw is non-processed. All of the live cultures are still in it. whole/skim/2%/etc. are all pasteurized and may have had some of the fats taken out of it I find it funny taht the FDA is trying to shut down raw milk/cheese/etc. (google this if you want) when probiotics and live cultures are generally considered to be great for gut health. Also, its very rare that someone is going to get illnesses from it anyway (but I guess you can never be too careful -_-) If I had the ability to access raw milk I would buy. Haha... rice is not the devil. Probably the best of the non-paleo stuff you could eat anyway! Funny how in Denmark they keep trying to sell us processed yoghurt or fluids like cultura with probiotics and live cultures. The few times I have tried it my self, omg that shit can give you stomatch aches. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
someone just linked this to me. :D Bulgarian style training article from john broz | ||
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xJupiter9x
United States150 Posts
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Ludrik
Australia523 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:45 AoN.DimSum wrote: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/max_out_on_squats_every_day someone just linked this to me. :D Bulgarian style training article from john broz I read that last night. It seems like mentally it would be brutal to always train fatigued. The few who make it out the other side alive undoubtably would have crazy strength. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On June 30 2011 13:46 Ludrik wrote: I read that last night. It seems like mentally it would be brutal to always train fatigued. The few who make it out the other side alive undoubtably would have crazy strength. Sorry but I think its full of shit. Training 6 times a week is fine, if you do low volume/fatigue training and cycle the loads. Its impossible making continous long term gains by traning to failure every day. Its a great way to feel macho until you injure yourself though. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
On June 30 2011 14:06 GoTuNk! wrote: Sorry but I think its full of shit. Training 6 times a week is fine, if you do low volume/fatigue training and cycle the loads. Its impossible making continous long term gains by traning to failure every day. Its a great way to feel macho until you injure yourself though. What do you mean full of shit? This system has been around since the 70-80s (not really sure when but it was a long time ago). edit someone converted this style for powerlifting: http://www.ampedtraining.com/workouts/bulgarian-style-training | ||
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RosaParksStoleMySeat
Japan926 Posts
On June 30 2011 14:06 GoTuNk! wrote: Sorry but I think its full of shit. Training 6 times a week is fine, if you do low volume/fatigue training and cycle the loads. Its impossible making continous long term gains by traning to failure every day. Its a great way to feel macho until you injure yourself though. Yeah, every Olympic lifter and coach in history would like to have a word with you... | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On June 30 2011 14:27 AoN.DimSum wrote: What do you mean full of shit? This system has been around since the 70-80s (not really sure when but it was a long time ago). edit someone converted this style for powerlifting: http://www.ampedtraining.com/workouts/bulgarian-style-training Ya that is a kind of program that makes sense, training every day is fine and recomended and the guy obviously know what he is doing. However I mean stuff like: "Over the course of a year, lifters gradually work their way up to 13 training sessions per week – twice a day Monday through Saturday, and once on Sunday. Morning sessions last between 45 and 120 minutes; evening sessions between three and four hours for a total of approximately five hours of lifting per day." "Around six max attempts are made for snatches, while two-three max attempts are made for cleans. Each session is auto-regulated based on what John sees from his lifters. They've been known to stray from the routine and perform up to 50 max attempts on a particular lift such as the snatch before calling it a day." "There's no Such Thing as Overtraining Broz believes that there's no such thing as being overtrained, just undertrained." I'm sure it has worked for some people, but I think it doesn't for most and it might work four a couple of weeks mb, but I don't think anyone is capable of doing 12-16 weeks of something like this. Edit: Added the following. This is the kind of thing I beleive is true for training, at least powerlifting. Core part bolded. "Those of you familiar with Boris Sheiko’s powerlifting workouts will find a lot of similarities. Sheiko is far more “Russian” than the system I’m going to outline, with a much more structured approach to daily and weekly volume. As different as these systems appear, superficially, they have the same goal — to manipulate intensity and volume between harder and lighter workouts, and across heavier and lighter weeks. The “Russian-ness” of the Sheiko system means a rigid structure. Percentages are planned in advance, as are exercises and working sets for the following month. While this strategy unquestionably works, I prefer a more flexible approach. While the end-goal is the same, the Bulgarian system manipulates intensity and volume using a fluid, self-adjusted system that doesn’t require a previous max or confine you to pre-planned numbers." | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4719 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:45 AoN.DimSum wrote: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/max_out_on_squats_every_day someone just linked this to me. :D Bulgarian style training article from john broz This Broz stuff comes up a lot, but really, what kind of real life implications has this article for anyone of us (with the exception of Dimsun maybe)? He trains real weightlifting athletes, not some recreational athletes like most of us. I would assume that any olympic-level athlete and most national-level athletes train everyday anyway. The max-out every day stuff is misleading in the sence that it doesn't mean that a guy who can snatch 300lb willt snatch 300 everyday. If he misses a couple of reps at 270 and then some more at 280, they won't put him under 305lb next and let him push throught his dark times. It just means that everyday they work up to the level what an athlete can do on that given day. So yes, of course you can squat more than three times per week, but is any of you guys gonna do that for an extended period of time just to squat 20lb more after one year? I for myself translate this training system to "sport everyday is good"  Which part I really like and believe to be very true is this one: How You Feel is a Lie That phrase is the Broz mantra. You simply can't listen to your body because it's lying to you. Broz can cite countless examples of athletes setting PR's on days they didn't even want to train, as well as days where the athlete felt like a million bucks but didn't fare so well in the gym. Fact is, when I visited Broz he explained that the previous week his wrist was so sore that he could barely warm up with the bar during split jerks, but he pushed through it, eventually felt warmed up, and ended up jerking 405 lbs. The following day his wrist pain had vanished. For example, regardless how shitty I feel, if during my last session i squattet 180x5, there is no way that I cannot at least do 2-3 reps at the same weight, even if everything is hurting. Your body still can do most of the work even fatigued, the soreness and pain is just the bodies way to tell you that he doesn't want to. I don't think this system is groundbreaking in the world of weightlifting, it basically says if you want to be stronger, train more. I don't think that the bulgarians were the only one realizing this. Yes, if you are a motivated young weightlifter or powerlifter, training is good. How much training is too much is a different question, but as eshlow mentioned a couple of times already, the bulgarian system is a meat grinder and in the end some survive and become champions. If you put enough people through the system, some will have success and nobody remembers the ones who don't. Let's see what Broz's guy Mendez can do at international competitions. The article itself is obviously just one of the countless shitty T-Nation articles, they produce so much content that it is really hard to find the good stuff in between (they have very good articles from time to time). It starts with: The Broz Method After reading up on Broz's methods for several hours and taking extensive notes, I arranged to visit his Las Vegas facility. In this article, I'll attempt to sum up his beliefs succinctly. This is very probably simply a lie. I have read nearly every sentence within this article before, on Broz website, his youtube channel or a Q&A in some forum I forgot. And there is not one self-taken picture or video in there. It's just recycling. And I just don't like being lied to. | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On June 30 2011 11:58 eshlow wrote: Uhhhh, depends on what you were eating and/or doing for training If you had a significant amount of muscle its certainly possible. if you're more type of like skinny fat or obese then its more likely you lost fat weight if you were eating better Likely fine. Well, if you were cutting gluten for a while that could've done it to you. Otherwise not too sure about that. You might want to get that checked out of its still bothering you tomorrow and/or int he next few days if it doesn't normalize with good eating so does vitamin D help? or should I just eat strictly paleo for a few days and consult a physician if the condition persists? | ||
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
Good ones being that you can always try and see how much you can do no matter how shitty you feel. The day I broke through my bench plateau I felt like shit and everything leading up to it was bad. But when I showed up I felt good so I decided to be greedy. | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On June 30 2011 17:09 Malinor wrote: Which part I really like and believe to be very true is this one: How You Feel is a Lie That phrase is the Broz mantra. You simply can't listen to your body because it's lying to you. Broz can cite countless examples of athletes setting PR's on days they didn't even want to train, as well as days where the athlete felt like a million bucks but didn't fare so well in the gym. Fact is, when I visited Broz he explained that the previous week his wrist was so sore that he could barely warm up with the bar during split jerks, but he pushed through it, eventually felt warmed up, and ended up jerking 405 lbs. The following day his wrist pain had vanished. For example, regardless how shitty I feel, if during my last session i squattet 180x5, there is no way that I cannot at least do 2-3 reps at the same weight, even if everything is hurting. Your body still can do most of the work even fatigued, the soreness and pain is just the bodies way to tell you that he doesn't want to. this reminds me of this article about jure robic, the slovenian cyclist who won the race across america (an ultra marathon bicycle race across the United States) five times. during the race, he disconnects his mind from his body, which yields incredible (and kinda scary) results. everyone should read this! http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/05/sports/playmagazine/05robicpm.html? | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
I know Decaf chicken and a few other chaps have pretty great muscularity here but I don't know, decaf are you training for building bigger muscles or just making your body more of a battering ram for rugby lol and are naturally well-defined from your good genetics? Personally I have about a 80:20 bias towards building muscle vs strength. | ||
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