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Snapplecakes
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 20:04:03
May 21 2011 19:58 GMT
#5761
me and sinep are running the Leangains model

the diet depends on how big of a all around kcal deficiency you want to run with over the week

SQUATS AND OATS!
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 20:42:53
May 21 2011 20:42 GMT
#5762
On May 22 2011 04:58 Snapplecakes wrote:
me and sinep are running the Leangains model

the diet depends on how big of a all around kcal deficiency you want to run with over the week



What's a reasonable deficiency goal for a guy around 80 kg with a lot of fat to lose? I got one of those plastic fat measurement tools, and it shows like 33 cm :<
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 21:31:18
May 21 2011 21:27 GMT
#5763
Yeah, I'm 17 and late through puberty. But not thaaatt late >.> I do have "dem ball hairs "

I actually don't look any bigger than before, to look at it. Where hte heck did those 12 pounds come from o.o

I was out a band comp and downed a Chili Cheese dog that was so huge and piled with stuff it probably approached 1k calories.... So stuffed

Regarding yesterday's workout I barely made squats, barely made press, and still easymoded 85lb deadlift.
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 22:03:04
May 21 2011 21:42 GMT
#5764
Just noticed that some breakfast cereals are pretty fucking good for you? Since I'm looking to improve my body fat% but not lose weight, could snacking on this stuff or maybe even having it as part of a meal or something help a lot?

100g of the stuff in front of me (before adding milk) is 9% protein, 5% fat, 7.5% fibre, 73% carbs of which 24% is sugar (meaning the rest of it is the slow releasing stuff thats better for you? its one of those whole grain cereals) and hits ~90% of all the vitamins and supplements you need.

Think I'm going to try this routine out http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Layne_Norton's_Power/Hypertrophy_Routine Going to the gym a lot more again since some bellend nicked my bike (d-locks aren't as secure and I thought), adding in some good sets of punching drills and pressups so if I find him I can punch a whole through his head and some rowing so I can generally stay in shape for sports.

26 years. 1.65cm. 66kg, looking to hit 75kg, not sure what a reasonable timeframe is.

@Froadac, for what it's worth I gained about 6kg over the last year and its not really noticeable for the most part. I put it down to muscle being heavier than fat, so its probably from trading fat for muscle but haven't hypertrophied much yet. I imagine it's like most thin people I know that don't work out but remain thin by eating well, but have almost no muscle and aren't toned and although our builds are almost the same, I weight about 5-6 kg more than them.

Another quick question: been reading that using either a pronated or alternate(?) grip is best for deadlifts, any opinions? Haven't actually seen anyone at the gym do a dead lift yet and not totally familiar with grip terminology.
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
May 21 2011 22:20 GMT
#5765
On May 22 2011 06:42 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Just noticed that some breakfast cereals are pretty fucking good for you? Since I'm looking to improve my body fat% but not lose weight, could snacking on this stuff or maybe even having it as part of a meal or something help a lot?

100g of the stuff in front of me (before adding milk) is 9% protein, 5% fat, 7.5% fibre, 73% carbs of which 24% is sugar (meaning the rest of it is the slow releasing stuff thats better for you? its one of those whole grain cereals) and hits ~90% of all the vitamins and supplements you need.

Think I'm going to try this routine out http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Layne_Norton's_Power/Hypertrophy_Routine Going to the gym a lot more again since some bellend nicked my bike (d-locks aren't as secure and I thought), adding in some good sets of punching drills and pressups so if I find him I can punch a whole through his head and some rowing so I can generally stay in shape for sports.

26 years. 1.65cm. 66kg, looking to hit 75kg, not sure what a reasonable timeframe is.

@Froadac, for what it's worth I gained about 6kg over the last year and its not really noticeable for the most part. I put it down to muscle being heavier than fat, so its probably from trading fat for muscle but haven't hypertrophied much yet. I imagine it's like most thin people I know that don't work out but remain thin by eating well, but have almost no muscle and aren't toned and although our builds are almost the same, I weight about 5-6 kg more than them.

Another quick question: been reading that using either a pronated or alternate(?) grip is best for deadlifts, any opinions? Haven't actually seen anyone at the gym do a dead lift yet and not totally familiar with grip terminology.


I do not think anyone here will recommed breakfeast cerials for nutrition. Especially after how much Eshlow advocates not eating grains at all.
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
May 21 2011 22:29 GMT
#5766
On May 22 2011 04:52 Advocado wrote:
So I've been bulking for a long period now and seen some good gains in muscle. I'd like to use Leangains as my model for losing fat. Does anyone know how one's diet is supposed to look on non training days?

Perhaps try 20% below maintenance on non-training days, and you could potentially go a bit more if you have more to lose? If you're at all into paleo you could keep your diet on rest days low carb, high fat and then on workout days go high protein, moderate carb and lower fat.
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 22:56:37
May 21 2011 22:56 GMT
#5767
nvm
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 21 2011 22:59 GMT
#5768
wow wtf, gym closed at 4:00 PM today, and I missed it completely
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 21 2011 23:42 GMT
#5769
Wow. 112 today. So much weight gain o.o
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
May 21 2011 23:59 GMT
#5770

Youth worlds! the uploader won 2nd in the 94kg class. Hopefully he uploads his session soon. Also watch the last guy of this video, very wierd jerk lol
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 00:10:19
May 22 2011 00:07 GMT
#5771
On May 22 2011 06:42 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Just noticed that some breakfast cereals are pretty fucking good for you? Since I'm looking to improve my body fat% but not lose weight, could snacking on this stuff or maybe even having it as part of a meal or something help a lot?

100g of the stuff in front of me (before adding milk) is 9% protein, 5% fat, 7.5% fibre, 73% carbs of which 24% is sugar (meaning the rest of it is the slow releasing stuff thats better for you? its one of those whole grain cereals) and hits ~90% of all the vitamins and supplements you need.

Think I'm going to try this routine out http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Layne_Norton's_Power/Hypertrophy_Routine Going to the gym a lot more again since some bellend nicked my bike (d-locks aren't as secure and I thought), adding in some good sets of punching drills and pressups so if I find him I can punch a whole through his head and some rowing so I can generally stay in shape for sports.

26 years. 1.65cm. 66kg, looking to hit 75kg, not sure what a reasonable timeframe is.

@Froadac, for what it's worth I gained about 6kg over the last year and its not really noticeable for the most part. I put it down to muscle being heavier than fat, so its probably from trading fat for muscle but haven't hypertrophied much yet. I imagine it's like most thin people I know that don't work out but remain thin by eating well, but have almost no muscle and aren't toned and although our builds are almost the same, I weight about 5-6 kg more than them.

Another quick question: been reading that using either a pronated or alternate(?) grip is best for deadlifts, any opinions? Haven't actually seen anyone at the gym do a dead lift yet and not totally familiar with grip terminology.


As far as deadlift grips go I do all my warmup sets double overhand and then do pronated/alternate/baseball/whatever-you-want-to-call-it grip for my work set. It's not really that big of a deal until the weight gets heavy (I'll try to explain what "heavy" is in a minute)), but grip strength becomes a major factor when you're really racking he weight on there. As far as which hand to do? I couldn't tell you for sure, I do my non-dominant hand, but that's really only because it feels more comfortable for me.

As for when to know to switch over to alternate grip, I can usually tell because when I'm doing double overhand the bar will start to slip from my hands... that's when I know the weight's "heavy" and it's time for a change.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
May 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#5772
PS: What is Leangains? And why do the guys on the website look that skinny? Isn't that a bit unhealthy? Is it for modeling?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
May 22 2011 00:21 GMT
#5773
On May 22 2011 09:07 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 06:42 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Just noticed that some breakfast cereals are pretty fucking good for you? Since I'm looking to improve my body fat% but not lose weight, could snacking on this stuff or maybe even having it as part of a meal or something help a lot?

100g of the stuff in front of me (before adding milk) is 9% protein, 5% fat, 7.5% fibre, 73% carbs of which 24% is sugar (meaning the rest of it is the slow releasing stuff thats better for you? its one of those whole grain cereals) and hits ~90% of all the vitamins and supplements you need.

Think I'm going to try this routine out http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Layne_Norton's_Power/Hypertrophy_Routine Going to the gym a lot more again since some bellend nicked my bike (d-locks aren't as secure and I thought), adding in some good sets of punching drills and pressups so if I find him I can punch a whole through his head and some rowing so I can generally stay in shape for sports.

26 years. 1.65cm. 66kg, looking to hit 75kg, not sure what a reasonable timeframe is.

@Froadac, for what it's worth I gained about 6kg over the last year and its not really noticeable for the most part. I put it down to muscle being heavier than fat, so its probably from trading fat for muscle but haven't hypertrophied much yet. I imagine it's like most thin people I know that don't work out but remain thin by eating well, but have almost no muscle and aren't toned and although our builds are almost the same, I weight about 5-6 kg more than them.

Another quick question: been reading that using either a pronated or alternate(?) grip is best for deadlifts, any opinions? Haven't actually seen anyone at the gym do a dead lift yet and not totally familiar with grip terminology.


As far as deadlift grips go I do all my warmup sets double overhand and then do pronated/alternate/baseball/whatever-you-want-to-call-it grip for my work set. It's not really that big of a deal until the weight gets heavy (everyone's definition of heavy is different so don't ask me what heavy is), but grip strength becomes a major factor when you're really racking he weight on there. As far as which hand to do? I couldn't tell you for sure, I do my non-dominant hand, but that's really only because it feels more comfortable for me.


You should alternate which hand is over/under on every other set. Otherwise, you just end up only being able to do it one way. Use double overhand for as long as you can; when that fails, switch to hook. When hook fails (or more likely, when you can't take crushing your thumbs anymore) switch to alternating grips. Always chalk up, never use gloves. Try not to use straps - you shouldn't need them anyway.

Cereal doesn't look bad as far as those go; many of us just flat out don't eat grains at all, but if you're going to, that would be a decent place to do it. Seriously being home is hell on the diet. I'm not having trouble sticking to the plan I was on, besides that I've replaced my one drink of alcohol/day with one soda/day, but ever time I reach for some item of food my entire family rolls their eyes at me. So obnoxious, considering they've openly admitted they don't care about the health value of food, so long as it tastes good. We have a fundamental difference of opinion on reasons for eating unfortunately.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
May 22 2011 00:38 GMT
#5774
On May 22 2011 09:21 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 09:07 nemY wrote:
On May 22 2011 06:42 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Just noticed that some breakfast cereals are pretty fucking good for you? Since I'm looking to improve my body fat% but not lose weight, could snacking on this stuff or maybe even having it as part of a meal or something help a lot?

100g of the stuff in front of me (before adding milk) is 9% protein, 5% fat, 7.5% fibre, 73% carbs of which 24% is sugar (meaning the rest of it is the slow releasing stuff thats better for you? its one of those whole grain cereals) and hits ~90% of all the vitamins and supplements you need.

Think I'm going to try this routine out http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Layne_Norton's_Power/Hypertrophy_Routine Going to the gym a lot more again since some bellend nicked my bike (d-locks aren't as secure and I thought), adding in some good sets of punching drills and pressups so if I find him I can punch a whole through his head and some rowing so I can generally stay in shape for sports.

26 years. 1.65cm. 66kg, looking to hit 75kg, not sure what a reasonable timeframe is.

@Froadac, for what it's worth I gained about 6kg over the last year and its not really noticeable for the most part. I put it down to muscle being heavier than fat, so its probably from trading fat for muscle but haven't hypertrophied much yet. I imagine it's like most thin people I know that don't work out but remain thin by eating well, but have almost no muscle and aren't toned and although our builds are almost the same, I weight about 5-6 kg more than them.

Another quick question: been reading that using either a pronated or alternate(?) grip is best for deadlifts, any opinions? Haven't actually seen anyone at the gym do a dead lift yet and not totally familiar with grip terminology.


As far as deadlift grips go I do all my warmup sets double overhand and then do pronated/alternate/baseball/whatever-you-want-to-call-it grip for my work set. It's not really that big of a deal until the weight gets heavy (everyone's definition of heavy is different so don't ask me what heavy is), but grip strength becomes a major factor when you're really racking he weight on there. As far as which hand to do? I couldn't tell you for sure, I do my non-dominant hand, but that's really only because it feels more comfortable for me.


You should alternate which hand is over/under on every other set. Otherwise, you just end up only being able to do it one way. Use double overhand for as long as you can; when that fails, switch to hook. When hook fails (or more likely, when you can't take crushing your thumbs anymore) switch to alternating grips. Always chalk up, never use gloves. Try not to use straps - you shouldn't need them anyway.

Cereal doesn't look bad as far as those go; many of us just flat out don't eat grains at all, but if you're going to, that would be a decent place to do it. Seriously being home is hell on the diet. I'm not having trouble sticking to the plan I was on, besides that I've replaced my one drink of alcohol/day with one soda/day, but ever time I reach for some item of food my entire family rolls their eyes at me. So obnoxious, considering they've openly admitted they don't care about the health value of food, so long as it tastes good. We have a fundamental difference of opinion on reasons for eating unfortunately.


Hmm really? We definitely deadlift differently. I've never used the hookgrip (looks like it would be painful while deadlifting), only chalk up on my work set (if I feel the weight is heavy enough or my hands are sweaty, otherwise I don't even bother), and don't switch my alternating grips every other set (that doesn't even make sense to me... you only do 1 work set per workout right?).

I don't know who's wrong or who's right or if there even is a wrong/right answer. More than one way to skin a potato I guess.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20143 Posts
May 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#5775
In typical decaf style i celebrated my roommates bday last night, played a full 80 minutes of rugby today (sustaining a lovely knee right into my thigh...), and have competition tomorrow morning! I'm only 1kg over right now so i should probably be able to hit 94 in the morning. I'm not too worried about my snatch, hoping to open around 95-100 and get up to 110 but i havent clean and jerked more than 130 in like 3-4 weeks when i hit 145 so i hope that goes well. Probably open at 130.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
May 22 2011 01:05 GMT
#5776
On May 22 2011 09:38 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 09:21 phyre112 wrote:
On May 22 2011 09:07 nemY wrote:
On May 22 2011 06:42 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Just noticed that some breakfast cereals are pretty fucking good for you? Since I'm looking to improve my body fat% but not lose weight, could snacking on this stuff or maybe even having it as part of a meal or something help a lot?

100g of the stuff in front of me (before adding milk) is 9% protein, 5% fat, 7.5% fibre, 73% carbs of which 24% is sugar (meaning the rest of it is the slow releasing stuff thats better for you? its one of those whole grain cereals) and hits ~90% of all the vitamins and supplements you need.

Think I'm going to try this routine out http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Layne_Norton's_Power/Hypertrophy_Routine Going to the gym a lot more again since some bellend nicked my bike (d-locks aren't as secure and I thought), adding in some good sets of punching drills and pressups so if I find him I can punch a whole through his head and some rowing so I can generally stay in shape for sports.

26 years. 1.65cm. 66kg, looking to hit 75kg, not sure what a reasonable timeframe is.

@Froadac, for what it's worth I gained about 6kg over the last year and its not really noticeable for the most part. I put it down to muscle being heavier than fat, so its probably from trading fat for muscle but haven't hypertrophied much yet. I imagine it's like most thin people I know that don't work out but remain thin by eating well, but have almost no muscle and aren't toned and although our builds are almost the same, I weight about 5-6 kg more than them.

Another quick question: been reading that using either a pronated or alternate(?) grip is best for deadlifts, any opinions? Haven't actually seen anyone at the gym do a dead lift yet and not totally familiar with grip terminology.


As far as deadlift grips go I do all my warmup sets double overhand and then do pronated/alternate/baseball/whatever-you-want-to-call-it grip for my work set. It's not really that big of a deal until the weight gets heavy (everyone's definition of heavy is different so don't ask me what heavy is), but grip strength becomes a major factor when you're really racking he weight on there. As far as which hand to do? I couldn't tell you for sure, I do my non-dominant hand, but that's really only because it feels more comfortable for me.


You should alternate which hand is over/under on every other set. Otherwise, you just end up only being able to do it one way. Use double overhand for as long as you can; when that fails, switch to hook. When hook fails (or more likely, when you can't take crushing your thumbs anymore) switch to alternating grips. Always chalk up, never use gloves. Try not to use straps - you shouldn't need them anyway.

Cereal doesn't look bad as far as those go; many of us just flat out don't eat grains at all, but if you're going to, that would be a decent place to do it. Seriously being home is hell on the diet. I'm not having trouble sticking to the plan I was on, besides that I've replaced my one drink of alcohol/day with one soda/day, but ever time I reach for some item of food my entire family rolls their eyes at me. So obnoxious, considering they've openly admitted they don't care about the health value of food, so long as it tastes good. We have a fundamental difference of opinion on reasons for eating unfortunately.


Hmm really? We definitely deadlift differently. I've never used the hookgrip (looks like it would be painful while deadlifting), only chalk up on my work set (if I feel the weight is heavy enough or my hands are sweaty, otherwise I don't even bother), and don't switch my alternating grips every other set (that doesn't even make sense to me... you only do 1 work set per workout right?).

I don't know who's wrong or who's right or if there even is a wrong/right answer. More than one way to skin a potato I guess.


I've never personally needed chalk, and it's not allowed in my university gym, regardless of mess/whatever. Something ridiculous about allergies I think? But yeah, I meant it for work sets, if you have, and are able to use chalk, you might as well always use it. Hook, if you lay your thumb flat isn't bad. If you lay it against the bar, then you'll be crushing your thumb and it actually IS quite painful. It's just seemed a better way to build grip strength to me, so I've tried to use it. Alternating grip, just by the nature of having your hands do different things will affect your muscles in different ways. If you want to balance that out, and keep from developing a dominant side, you should switch which hand is over and under. If I'm alternating, I alternate through my warmups, and I also do two worksets (I know, it's not SS directed. They're also sets of 8.) one each way. If you're just worried about picking up a heavier deadlift though, by all means keep going with whatever's more comfortable.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
May 22 2011 02:01 GMT
#5777
Yay just finished my first SS workout! The numbers were hilariously unimpressive and work is going to suck tomorrow, but who cares.

I took anything involving my legs really easily because last year I tore apart my right ankle in a work accident, but it didn't give me any trouble today, I just don't want to push it too hard yet.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
May 22 2011 02:42 GMT
#5778
On May 22 2011 11:01 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Yay just finished my first SS workout! The numbers were hilariously unimpressive and work is going to suck tomorrow, but who cares.

I took anything involving my legs really easily because last year I tore apart my right ankle in a work accident, but it didn't give me any trouble today, I just don't want to push it too hard yet.


Proper technique in squat/deadlift combined with starting with a light weight will make that ankle stronger than ever
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 22 2011 02:51 GMT
#5779
Not like my legs are particularly huge, but now my jeans are way too tight. In like 3 weeks o.o

Went out for afghani food. In a really bizarre instance our buff waiter mentioned SS to this really really huge guy behind me.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
May 22 2011 03:43 GMT
#5780
Oh... guess this is what happens in a 290 page forum. The host of Leangains posts in this thread and I never noticed.
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