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ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
March 20 2011 09:37 GMT
#2521
On March 20 2011 18:31 shmay wrote:
Whoa, I just looked at the recommended nutrition sites and apparently the Lean Gains guy is a poster in this thread? What's his sn?


"Leangains"
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 09:54:51
March 20 2011 09:51 GMT
#2522
On March 20 2011 18:37 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 18:31 shmay wrote:
Whoa, I just looked at the recommended nutrition sites and apparently the Lean Gains guy is a poster in this thread? What's his sn?


"Leangains"


This is a dead giveaway that Martin Berkhan would be a TL lurker or poster . From leangains:

But I find the debates on strategy and race imbalances fascinating. It's funny how hotly debated some issues are - and you'll find many similarities with the fitness and diet community. For example, just like the "low carb/metabolic advantage" discussion stirs up a lot of emotions, similar strong and polarizing opinions are seen in the threads that deal with questions related to whether the match-ups between races are imbalanced (there are three races to choose from in the game - some people think Terran vs Zerg is “imbalanced” right now, some don't, etc.).

I'll also watch YouTube-videos of programmers playing for hours. And I finally understand why you'll have sports fans that rarely practice the sport themselves being the most hardcore sports fans out there... I rarely find time to play, but I'm crazy for watching others play :D

Lim Yo-Hwan AKA "Boxer" AKA The Emperor is my hero. Will he be able to make a strong comeback despite his age and shoulder problems? Only time will tell. Follow his progress in this exciting documentary. Can't wait for the next episode.


The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
March 20 2011 12:00 GMT
#2523
fml how i have being sick.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
March 20 2011 13:57 GMT
#2524
On March 20 2011 18:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 18:13 Sinep wrote:
On March 20 2011 18:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mr. Wiggles
Age: 18 || Height: 6'00" || Weight: 195 lbs
Starting Date: 20/03/11 || Goal Date: 01/07/11?
Weight goals -- 175 lbs?

Misc goals:

So I've been meaning to do this for a while, and I'm posting here so I'll actually hold myself to it and stop procrastinating. Right now I'm overweight, and have a crappy muscle:fat ratio making up my overall weight. What my goal is basically, is to lose the fat, and gain some muscle as well. However, I'm more concerned about looking slim and being fit than gaining a lot of strength right now. I eat a lot of crap now too, so I want to reduce the amount of junk I eat, and eat somewhat healthier. I have access to basic weights and/or a bowflex machine (My Dad's), as well as a treadmill. I was thinking of doing something like a basic workout three-four days a week, and jogging most of the other days. I'm not entirely sure how to structure it or what program to use though, and how much I should change my eating habits.

tl:dr, I want to lose weight and get slim, gain some muscle (Not strength training though) Need a little help on how to go about it.

Thanks, and I'm gonna try to do this!


how do you expect to gain muscle without strength training?

on that note, if you want to lose weight, you should probably be jogging 3 times a week for 30-45min at a steady state. although, more importantly than any cardio you do, is your diet. for weight loss, low carbohydrate diets are the way to go. eat a piece of fruit or two a day as your carbohydrate sources, plus vegetables. you should eat a moderate fat amount (eggs or bacon / salmon are ok here, just be careful with the fat amount because it can be easy to overeat on) and the rest of your meals should be lean (no fat) meat, like chicken or turkey breast etc. whatever you do, keep protein the highest macro nutrient for this day.

remember that you can do as much cardio as you want but unless you clean up your diet you won't lose fat.


By no strength training, I mean that I don't want to try to bulk up, and my goal isn't to gain large amounts of muscle. I want to gain some muscle, but I don't want the emphasis to be on bodybuilding and solely increasing my strength. So I want to do strength training, but not intensely with the goal of gaining a large amount of muscle mass.

I'm probably just wording things terribly though because I'm a little drunk at the moment, and I'm a novice so I'm using the wrong terminology.


A lot of people worry about gaining a lot of muscle mass. They see Mr. Olympia and the first thing they think is "freakshow." Very few people actually desire to be that size.

...But, to get really large, it takes a lot of things. Look at some of the bigger people in this thread. Decaf, for example, is a genetic beast who has been training hard for well over a year, eating at a caloric surplus. You don't just pick up a barbell and wake up the next morning with 25" biceps; it's something you eat 8,000 calories a day for and cycle steroids for years to achieve.

Basically, nobody puts on large amounts of muscle by accident. You have nothing to worry about. You can get strong without getting huge, and usually getting huge is something that requires a lot of dedication and strategy to achieve.
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 14:37:03
March 20 2011 14:35 GMT
#2525
On March 20 2011 18:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 18:13 Sinep wrote:
On March 20 2011 18:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mr. Wiggles
Age: 18 || Height: 6'00" || Weight: 195 lbs
Starting Date: 20/03/11 || Goal Date: 01/07/11?
Weight goals -- 175 lbs?

Misc goals:

So I've been meaning to do this for a while, and I'm posting here so I'll actually hold myself to it and stop procrastinating. Right now I'm overweight, and have a crappy muscle:fat ratio making up my overall weight. What my goal is basically, is to lose the fat, and gain some muscle as well. However, I'm more concerned about looking slim and being fit than gaining a lot of strength right now. I eat a lot of crap now too, so I want to reduce the amount of junk I eat, and eat somewhat healthier. I have access to basic weights and/or a bowflex machine (My Dad's), as well as a treadmill. I was thinking of doing something like a basic workout three-four days a week, and jogging most of the other days. I'm not entirely sure how to structure it or what program to use though, and how much I should change my eating habits.

tl:dr, I want to lose weight and get slim, gain some muscle (Not strength training though) Need a little help on how to go about it.

Thanks, and I'm gonna try to do this!


how do you expect to gain muscle without strength training?

on that note, if you want to lose weight, you should probably be jogging 3 times a week for 30-45min at a steady state. although, more importantly than any cardio you do, is your diet. for weight loss, low carbohydrate diets are the way to go. eat a piece of fruit or two a day as your carbohydrate sources, plus vegetables. you should eat a moderate fat amount (eggs or bacon / salmon are ok here, just be careful with the fat amount because it can be easy to overeat on) and the rest of your meals should be lean (no fat) meat, like chicken or turkey breast etc. whatever you do, keep protein the highest macro nutrient for this day.

remember that you can do as much cardio as you want but unless you clean up your diet you won't lose fat.


By no strength training, I mean that I don't want to try to bulk up, and my goal isn't to gain large amounts of muscle. I want to gain some muscle, but I don't want the emphasis to be on bodybuilding and solely increasing my strength. So I want to do strength training, but not intensely with the goal of gaining a large amount of muscle mass.

I'm probably just wording things terribly though because I'm a little drunk at the moment, and I'm a novice so I'm using the wrong terminology.


Ok so we will forgive you since you are a novice.

The difference between cutting and bulking are really just your diet. Sure, if you're hardcore bulking you won't do any cardio at all and go for PR's every day, and if you're hardcore cutting you'll run every day and won't be able to lift as much as you used to. But when you're at that point, you don't need to ask us any questions about it and you'll just go ahead and do it if you want.

If you want to do cardio, fine go ahead- although I think the average person doesn't like slaving away at treadmills like people say you should. You can do SS without any cardio (besides warmup) and focus on your diet and you will see results. You can't gain weight with a caloric deficit, and just changing the kind of food you eat will make a significant impact.

Most people burn out on diets because they try to change things too fast; if you're worried about that, take steps. Start by cleaning up your diet and not worrying about overeating, then a couple weeks later start looking at protein/fat/carb ratios, then later counting calories or something along those lines.

We will stop being harsh on you once you join us on the dark side
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20070 Posts
March 20 2011 14:58 GMT
#2526
On March 20 2011 18:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 18:13 Sinep wrote:
On March 20 2011 18:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mr. Wiggles
Age: 18 || Height: 6'00" || Weight: 195 lbs
Starting Date: 20/03/11 || Goal Date: 01/07/11?
Weight goals -- 175 lbs?

Misc goals:

So I've been meaning to do this for a while, and I'm posting here so I'll actually hold myself to it and stop procrastinating. Right now I'm overweight, and have a crappy muscle:fat ratio making up my overall weight. What my goal is basically, is to lose the fat, and gain some muscle as well. However, I'm more concerned about looking slim and being fit than gaining a lot of strength right now. I eat a lot of crap now too, so I want to reduce the amount of junk I eat, and eat somewhat healthier. I have access to basic weights and/or a bowflex machine (My Dad's), as well as a treadmill. I was thinking of doing something like a basic workout three-four days a week, and jogging most of the other days. I'm not entirely sure how to structure it or what program to use though, and how much I should change my eating habits.

tl:dr, I want to lose weight and get slim, gain some muscle (Not strength training though) Need a little help on how to go about it.

Thanks, and I'm gonna try to do this!


how do you expect to gain muscle without strength training?

on that note, if you want to lose weight, you should probably be jogging 3 times a week for 30-45min at a steady state. although, more importantly than any cardio you do, is your diet. for weight loss, low carbohydrate diets are the way to go. eat a piece of fruit or two a day as your carbohydrate sources, plus vegetables. you should eat a moderate fat amount (eggs or bacon / salmon are ok here, just be careful with the fat amount because it can be easy to overeat on) and the rest of your meals should be lean (no fat) meat, like chicken or turkey breast etc. whatever you do, keep protein the highest macro nutrient for this day.

remember that you can do as much cardio as you want but unless you clean up your diet you won't lose fat.


By no strength training, I mean that I don't want to try to bulk up, and my goal isn't to gain large amounts of muscle. I want to gain some muscle, but I don't want the emphasis to be on bodybuilding and solely increasing my strength. So I want to do strength training, but not intensely with the goal of gaining a large amount of muscle mass.

I'm probably just wording things terribly though because I'm a little drunk at the moment, and I'm a novice so I'm using the wrong terminology.


Ha. You have years to go before you can resemble a bodybuilder. What you can do is put on a ton of strength in the next few months via a very basic lifting program like Starting Strength. I've been training for yeeeeaaaaaars and i still wouldn't really consider myself "huge" though some people here might lol.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
March 20 2011 15:08 GMT
#2527
On March 20 2011 23:58 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 18:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 20 2011 18:13 Sinep wrote:
On March 20 2011 18:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mr. Wiggles
Age: 18 || Height: 6'00" || Weight: 195 lbs
Starting Date: 20/03/11 || Goal Date: 01/07/11?
Weight goals -- 175 lbs?

Misc goals:

So I've been meaning to do this for a while, and I'm posting here so I'll actually hold myself to it and stop procrastinating. Right now I'm overweight, and have a crappy muscle:fat ratio making up my overall weight. What my goal is basically, is to lose the fat, and gain some muscle as well. However, I'm more concerned about looking slim and being fit than gaining a lot of strength right now. I eat a lot of crap now too, so I want to reduce the amount of junk I eat, and eat somewhat healthier. I have access to basic weights and/or a bowflex machine (My Dad's), as well as a treadmill. I was thinking of doing something like a basic workout three-four days a week, and jogging most of the other days. I'm not entirely sure how to structure it or what program to use though, and how much I should change my eating habits.

tl:dr, I want to lose weight and get slim, gain some muscle (Not strength training though) Need a little help on how to go about it.

Thanks, and I'm gonna try to do this!


how do you expect to gain muscle without strength training?

on that note, if you want to lose weight, you should probably be jogging 3 times a week for 30-45min at a steady state. although, more importantly than any cardio you do, is your diet. for weight loss, low carbohydrate diets are the way to go. eat a piece of fruit or two a day as your carbohydrate sources, plus vegetables. you should eat a moderate fat amount (eggs or bacon / salmon are ok here, just be careful with the fat amount because it can be easy to overeat on) and the rest of your meals should be lean (no fat) meat, like chicken or turkey breast etc. whatever you do, keep protein the highest macro nutrient for this day.

remember that you can do as much cardio as you want but unless you clean up your diet you won't lose fat.


By no strength training, I mean that I don't want to try to bulk up, and my goal isn't to gain large amounts of muscle. I want to gain some muscle, but I don't want the emphasis to be on bodybuilding and solely increasing my strength. So I want to do strength training, but not intensely with the goal of gaining a large amount of muscle mass.

I'm probably just wording things terribly though because I'm a little drunk at the moment, and I'm a novice so I'm using the wrong terminology.


Ha. You have years to go before you can resemble a bodybuilder. What you can do is put on a ton of strength in the next few months via a very basic lifting program like Starting Strength. I've been training for yeeeeaaaaaars and i still wouldn't really consider myself "huge" though some people here might lol.


I was actually going to say that... I wouldn't consider you huge, but that may just be because when I think "huge" I mean almost unrealistic and something I wouldn't want to look like.

Too lazy to go look at your vids again but pretty sure you look more like wide-receiver jacked than like running back or stereotypical olympic lifter.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 18:38:02
March 20 2011 18:27 GMT
#2528
On March 20 2011 15:35 Warrior Madness wrote:
Also what do you guys eat on a daily basis? I have some trouble eating a high calorie diet especially on paleo. My average would probably be around 1800-2100 calories, consisting mostly of fat. Now my goal is to put on 10lb of muscle and to lose a lot of fat. I'm currently 183lb at 20% bodyfat. I'm 5'10. So should I be aiming for a certain amount of calories? Following the paleo diet I learned to just keep eating until you're not hungry, but I also barely exercised at that time.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

[image loading]

I dont eat enough veggies
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
scur2d2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 18:36:14
March 20 2011 18:33 GMT
#2529
I recommend evreyone dl the p90x program. its an hour a day and you will feel awesome.

it has nutriution, and home work out routines.

its pretty demanding but you will quite literally be in the best shape of your life.
Bite off more than you can chew, then chew it.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 18:55:13
March 20 2011 18:54 GMT
#2530
On March 21 2011 03:33 scur2d2 wrote:
I recommend evreyone dl the p90x program. its an hour a day and you will feel awesome.

it has nutriution, and home work out routines.

its pretty demanding but you will quite literally be in the best shape of your life.


Uhhhh.... no.

It's decent if you want to be told what to do, but depending on your goals it can range from terrible to ineffective.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 19:21:28
March 20 2011 19:21 GMT
#2531
On March 21 2011 03:33 scur2d2 wrote:
I recommend evreyone dl the p90x program. its an hour a day and you will feel awesome.

it has nutriution, and home work out routines.

its pretty demanding but you will quite literally be in the best shape of your life.


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User was warned for this post
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
March 20 2011 22:06 GMT
#2532
leangains guy posts on TL? haha damn nice

no the gym has no squat rack. apparently everyone in shanghai thinks squats are best done in the smith machine. several self proclaimed personal trainers i've talked to say squats are better in the smith machine.

sometimes i wonder how we have some of the most elite lifters in the world.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 01:48:22
March 20 2011 22:24 GMT
#2533
On March 21 2011 03:27 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 15:35 Warrior Madness wrote:
Also what do you guys eat on a daily basis? I have some trouble eating a high calorie diet especially on paleo. My average would probably be around 1800-2100 calories, consisting mostly of fat. Now my goal is to put on 10lb of muscle and to lose a lot of fat. I'm currently 183lb at 20% bodyfat. I'm 5'10. So should I be aiming for a certain amount of calories? Following the paleo diet I learned to just keep eating until you're not hungry, but I also barely exercised at that time.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I dont eat enough veggies


Thanks decaf. Seems like you're ona semi paleo diet and get most of your meat from milk, ground beef chicken (Heh, me too minus the milk).

Regarding soreness, I found these interesting quotes by ripptoe:

"Waiting before soreness subsides before doing the next workout is a good way to guarantee that soreness will be produced every time, since the athlete never gets adapted to sufficient workload frequency to stop getting sore"

"Soreness, unless it is extreme, is no impediment to training. In fact, many records have been set by sore athletes..."But, in general, if the warm-up returns the movement to its normal range of motion, the workout can be done"

The only thing I'll probably change is taking BCAA supplements just to make sure I get the most bang for the buck from these lifts. And maybe using some cold and hot packs to alleviate some of the soreness.

ETA: If you're thinking about BCAA supplementation read this:
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/bcaa.htm

Cordain also has a chart that lists foods high in bcaa in his book "the paleo diet for athletes".


The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 22:43:31
March 20 2011 22:41 GMT
#2534
trust me, you wont get sore anymore if you just keep on lifting 3 days a week.

and as that rippetoe quote says, soreness will not prevent you from lifting big (assuming you warm up properly)
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
March 21 2011 03:32 GMT
#2535
If you want to complain about soreness, read this thread. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=131283403

highlight quote
Today was just plain disgustingly hard. Like sickening.

AM:
Snatch- up to 140kg
Snatch- up to 141kg
Snatch with Pause at Knee (3 sets of 2): 120, 120, 125kg
Clean and Jerk- up to 170kg

PM:
Snatch- up to 140kg
Snatch- up to 140kg,143x1,146x1, 120kgx3
Cleans- up to 165kg, 150kgx3x2
Squats- up to 205kgx3, 190x5, 195x2x5

Night:
Snatch- up to 140kgx1

Omgsh I attempted over a 140 snatch 30+ times today!! haha wooowwwww to say I Am exhausted is like the understatement of the century. But dang 150kg snatch is right around the corner...

I almost feel like I just got hit by a semi...then dragged for like 6 miles, then beaten with a baseball bat, then chinese tickle tortured, then tickled for an hour, then punched in the back by Mike Tyson for 10 minutes, then kicked in the legs by George St. Pierre. OH, then mentally it's like being kicked in the head by Anderson Silva. Well, at least that's about how mentally sharp I Feel right now. Straight ballin today haha!
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
March 21 2011 03:45 GMT
#2536
On March 21 2011 04:21 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 03:33 scur2d2 wrote:
I recommend evreyone dl the p90x program. its an hour a day and you will feel awesome.

it has nutriution, and home work out routines.

its pretty demanding but you will quite literally be in the best shape of your life.


[image loading]



User was warned for this post



Who the fuck warned you?

This is bs. Admins, gtfo of this thread -_-
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 21 2011 04:07 GMT
#2537
^ agreed amigo
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
March 21 2011 04:09 GMT
#2538
On March 21 2011 04:21 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 03:33 scur2d2 wrote:
I recommend evreyone dl the p90x program. its an hour a day and you will feel awesome.

it has nutriution, and home work out routines.

its pretty demanding but you will quite literally be in the best shape of your life.


[image loading]



User was warned for this post

lol i thought that was an absolutely warranted image reply to such a dumb post by scur2d2 who obviously didn't read anything at all in this thread.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 04:31:39
March 21 2011 04:12 GMT
#2539
@ dimsum DAMN that volume is unreal lol. Hopefully i can get up to that level someday. Thanks for the thread link...reading all of it!

And yeah..warning not very warranted on sjarl..if anything scurd2d2s post should be warned

btw..walking on my ankle without limping! still some pain but it got a lot better throughout the day..hope this continues. LIKE A BOSS
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 21 2011 04:14 GMT
#2540
Don't we warn pple from replying to threads without reading the OP or replies? surd2d2 certainly fits into that mold.

Too bad I gave up my hammer
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