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On August 09 2011 11:52 DuxDucis wrote:
some people just dont want to believe in good things
Well read this:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 14:36 NeSE wrote:
This is an insane version of our prize pool system and make absolutely no sense. We actually have our prize pool system broken down on a chart for everyone to clearly see in our office. I assure, what is posted on our wall is absolutely nothing like what you have mentioned here.
This event is NOT designed to be a money maker or generate any revenue at all for the NeSE organization. Nor is the possibility of revenue from registrations even counted on amongst our team. The goal of this tournament is to provide the best possible event that we can provide and that is Costing us money from Season start to Season finish.
Lot of people came to the same result looking at the bracket description, but this mysterious chart tells we are all wrong
And then there is this video...
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 16:34 Jetaap wrote:
A step on the right direction would be to post a youtube video where you present yourself, your team (i guess you're not working alone) , your office etc. On July 22 2011 16:36 NeSE wrote:That is actually a phenomenal idea. Our YouTube Channel is www.youtube.com/USeSports. I am going to put together a video that introduces members of our staff that people can view on that YouTube channel. This is exactly why feedback like your's is valued and feedback like their's is a waste of time and energy. Take a closer look at this video introducing the staff. For those who wonder: It shows scenes of SC2 campaign, mixed up with LOTR and Halo (?). Why is a video labeled SC2 tournament full of non SC2 clips? And how is this about the staff?"
While i am not sure, what skills you need to host a tournament (since i never did), for some reasons i think, you should at least know that there are no Orcs in SC2....
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Wow, that video is pretty absurd if their intention was to introduce the team and office behind the project. It was basically a montage of copyrighted blizzard footage with youtube annotations. Given the lack of production value in that trailer alone, I would be a little bit skeptical.
The tournament concept is interesting, but I'm not sure how they can validate the 'we aren't trying to make any money' model. It seems pretty clear that the intention is to generate, not that generating profit is a bad thing. I'd love the see this mysterious chart :-/
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Since Blizzard has now put there stamp of approval on this "tournament" I guess we can't doubt that they have the cash for the finals when it comes to it.
They still have yet to actually explain the system of the round by round pay out since I greatly doubt they will get anywhere to what they are projecting in participation they will probably end up paying out a pittance with a ridiculous step up for the finals if they don't quit before then.
Also, the fact that they have yet to get even one person with some reputation to give them some repute I find this highly suspicious. Every league that has had any success has come into this market with people that are already involved with the community to be if nothing else then a boost to credibility or reputation.
It seems squirrelly and they want me to pay money? GL
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wow that sounds cool
hope there will some good players in there that i can bash + Show Spoiler + 
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I agree that they should provide more background information about who they are (other than gamers). As far as I can see you can get a single name or representative from their site.
That said it looks pretty valid and awesome if everything promised is met.
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Hi guys I made a post in the other thread, but deleted it at the request of Unruly, because he was furious. I haven't made many posts here at TL, but I feel as if this one is warranted. tl;dr is in a section below the "story" part of the post.
I was approached by this guy, Unruly, on battlenet who told me of this tournament format, I was skeptical at first, since nothing of the sorts can I remember being done, especially with an entry fee. He stated his ambitions of having sc2 in stadium arenas, being a televised event, and asked for my opinions, because he was asking many gamers around the community. He gave me the website to theworldgamingseries, and it was awful, filled with spam etc, the new NeSe website looks similar, but has shaped up drastically. For those questioning who is backing this, He said he sold his company Silentium enterprises, and vested it all into this tournament. I don't know about you but that website and videos, sure do not look like $100,000 vested as well as from a company who previously came from the tech/sound industry. Anyways we went on, and he said he was going to offer me a job of in the range of $50,000, which by years end if the tournament is successful i could be earning six figures, and pick any job that i want. To me this sounded like a pyramid scheme at best, considering I had just recently had an encounter with this company called Primerica.
He then sent me an outline, which stated the obvious, and things I already told him about how to make a successful tournament turnout. I then replied with a lengthy email with improvements that could be made, such as having a main showmatch caster, along with korean/eu casters, and secondary casters, along with a slew of other ideas/improvements and things that I would be willing to do for him, advertise in channels, advertise on my stream, cast matches etc etc.
Anyways after a while I had made a post basically containing some of what is said in this post, which at the time I got caught in the mob sort of things, where I was seeing the numbers and many other question the tournament, which I had questioned as well, so I figured why not join the crowd, and make a post with the information I have and let people read it and figure it out for themselves, and was then contacted by Unruly again on battlenet, who basically degraded my character, saying I missed and "opportunity" of a lifetime. And what got me the most is that I just stated what our conversations were, and some of the things that we went over, which should be public anyways, should it really matter if I typed it in a questioning manner? I really don't deserve, and others on this forum who questioned it, also don't deserved to receive a bashing for simply stating their opinions.
What got me the most is when he said to me on battlenet "u think i'm concerned about bad publicity? in esports?" and mind you this conversation of him bashing me hardcore in battlenet chat, was happening when I was playing IN the nese qualifier #2, streaming it, and supporting it on my stream.....
All in all I think the tournament has a strange format, everything seems thrown together, and in a type of hurry hurry join now style, the production value, and release all seem thrown out there, and the top guy doing this seems shady from what others have posted, and his overall character judging from how he responds to others and me. (see the post by jobebob http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245230¤tpage=9 and then http://www.nvannualreport.com/entities-DLLC-SILENTIUM-ENTERPRISES-LLC.aspx and http://www.nvannualreport.com/entities-DLLC-MATCHLESS-ENTERTAINMENT-LLC.aspx ... none of it makes any sense, maybe some of you can put it straight, but all the different addresses, and how he spells his company wrong here http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=672719&st=0&p=7656369&#entry7656369 ... it all just seems poorly thrown together)
tl;dr
(The too long didn't read is basically this: This dannie/unruly/nese guy comes off either as a character who is either genuinely interested in sc2 scene, or someone who played sc2 for a bit, and is now trying to take the gamers / advertisers money for a great profit, and I am not convinced until all of the registration fee is in prize money or invested into the tournament, not salaries, and a LOT of other minor changes as well, one being such as the privacy of information (so bnet accounts cannot be stole), someone mentioned in the previous thread, I believe that money can be made, but the first year should be break even for credibility and it's outrageous to make a killing like this off of others hard-work.) end tl;dr
Final conclusion, is that I am not convinced, I think with ALL of the misinformation happening and the weird tournament layout along with the registration fee, everything thrown together, and so many people still questioning this is enough for me to stay away. My hopes are that this is in fact not a money making scheme, and that gamers and sponsors working hard for real tournaments with better production value, growth of gaming and their company don't get burned by this bad apple. I know for me that all of this had been a really strange experience/encounter and a downer for "missing the opportunity of a lifetime" but even if this ends up being "the future of esports" (side note to all (why esports, why not just gaming) I will continually have better things to watch such as dreamhack, TSL, nasl, GSL, etc, and better run tournaments to play in myself such as z33k ones, playhem/stimtv, geforce, esl, craftcup etc so many good big/small/player run tournaments out there, and to be honest it sucks to burn a bridge this early on, but like I said I am not convinced until it is at LEAST a break even 1st year, and security measures are met, and some changes to the videos/tournament structure, and other things people posted etc.
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Yeah, and how do you think the owner is going to respond when he only gets 1500 people willing to put in $20? Is he still going to proceed with this tournament? I doubt it. I bet he knows it can't generate that much.
Even 1500 participants would generate $30,000, which is great, but it won't cover the prize pool. Will he cough up some of his own money? Will the prize pool downgrade? If so, then the prize pool was and always has been relative to the amount of participants and thus eminently misleading to claim such a large pool to attract big name players who will in the end, may only be playing for much less, if at all. If the participants are too low, will the owner just call off the live event tournament and just make the round robin of $1,250 be the final prize? (or something of this nature) If he does this, then only a few thousand are invested in the prize pool and he can split with loads of extra money, seeing as almost all the prize pool is in the final live event.
This whole tournament has been fishy from the start.
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The owner needs to speak up and defend these accusations in some way. If he could respond to this feedback it would be much appreciated..
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The owner has spoken on these matters in another thread, and at the end of it he did try to answer some of them. My biggest issue with all of this is not that he wants to make money (I envy that)..its that he has not laid out the plan to us in a manner that makes us feel comfortable. I do not play SC2... I run events for those that do and I make it a point to engage with the community before throwing money around and asking for others to pay in. I suggested to him that he do the same and start small and apparently he did with some smaller $1500.00 event a few weeks back. Does anyone have results on how that went?
I am still very skeptical of this entire thing and wish he had more concrete answers on how the format was structured and what his intentions were.
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We have already answered all of these questions on the previous forum thread. Last time we did respond to everyone's questions and concerns and all that led to was bickering. We do sincerely respect the feedback of the community and we have already made changes to our event based on that very feedback. Your concerns are absolutely justified as we are a new organization in eSports (eSports not gaming because we are not game developers sadly) and we expect you to react.
Despite what some may think we are not going anywhere and we are here to stay absolutely so if your concerns are that strong we suggest waiting. We will continue to host our event as well as sponsor and host many events along with the main NE-SE tournaments. We are also working towards incorporating some 3rd party affiliations to decrease and possibly eliminate the entry fee entirely. The NE-SE is here for the community and you can be assured we will always cater to you as best as we possibly can. Our system is simple and anyone in the US can participate, it is clearly broken down throughout our web site and on this thread.
We would like to encourage people to continue to provide feedback either on the NE-SE forums or by emailed esports@ne-se.com. We realize there is always great margin for improvement and we appreciate all the feedback you provide because that is how we will continue improve. If you have any sincere concerns or interests regarding the NE-SE please utilize the suggested means of contact. We hope this has been informative and we do apologize for the inconvenience.
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I don't see this ending well. Sponsored thread? Money talks.
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I don't feel comfortable shelling out money to play in a league with a shady background. Good luck to those involved and those who wish to participate.
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For those who didn't see previous thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245230
I just read this today and it was funny enough grinding through all those hate posts. Understandable to make these claims before blizz anouncement, tough...
But now that all's cleared up I just want to wish you good luck and it's a shame since only US can participate at the moment.
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I have no problem with an e-Sports organization making money. The owner's post was oddly unspecific and didn't address any concerns in this. I wish them the best although I wont be taking part
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On August 10 2011 08:04 Perfect Assassin wrote:
But now that all's cleared up I just want to wish you good luck and it's a shame since only US can participate at the moment.
This aspect goes hand in hand with the entry fee to the tournament and we could not agree with you more. It requires continued support from the community for us to be able to incorporate the type of 3rd parties required to eliminate the entry fee and create international availability. At any rate, we can certainly assure you that we are working firmly towards this goal constantly.
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On August 10 2011 11:03 NeSE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 08:04 Perfect Assassin wrote:
But now that all's cleared up I just want to wish you good luck and it's a shame since only US can participate at the moment. This aspect goes hand in hand with the entry fee to the tournament and we could not agree with you more. It requires continued support from the community for us to be able to incorporate the type of 3rd parties required to eliminate the entry fee and create international availability. At any rate, we can certainly assure you that we are working firmly towards this goal constantly.
I just want you to show us what happens when you get might get 100 people signed up for your event are you still planning on having the 6 rounds (which would result in people simply making money for signing up) or will the payouts just be that much less?
Your system is new to everyone here and I just want to understand it, you are doing a very poor job at explaining it and for that reason alone it makes your whole company look shady.
GLHF
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I thought this has been clarified already in the other thread? Why still so much hate people? Can't we just wait and see what happens?
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It was never clarified. Numerous posters were told they were wrong, myself included. And like I said, several times this mysterious poster was mentioned, but he kept avoiding it. Much like the post on this page.
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his responses seem to be very political and avoid many of the primary concerns of the posters in this thread. he continues to voice how positive and awesome this system is, yet the simple concerns can not be addressed.
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I tried emailing them at contact@, esports@ and enquiries@ne-se.com but they all bounced back to me with a failed delivery notice. Anyone else has this problem or is it just me?
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