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On August 09 2011 08:40 dbnk wrote:
Has Blizzard done research into whether or not the backers are legitimate? The initial announcements were extremely suspicious and the format doesn't seem viable at all. As this post is their proof of legitimacy and they are going to be taking people's money I wonder if they or the format were vetted.
Specifically, their format calls for either 6 rounds where 1/4 advances into a 50 player round robin, or sufficient 4 person rounds until 50 players remain (the specification is contradictory).
If its the former, 4^6 * 50 or 204,800 entries would be necessary to fill the bracket. This is several orders of magnitude larger than other entry fee competitions such as NASL Open brackets. Profits per competition
would be in excess of 2 million from total entry fees of ~4 million. This is the size of competition the schedule calls for (6 weeks + 2 week round robin with each 4 player round taking 7 days) and what is described on the payout table.
If its the latter, an entrant pool of 1000 (4 times as popular as NASL) would nearly result in losses from the prizes paid out for the final 50 alone (320 * 50 + 4*640 = 18560, 250 players getting their $20 bucks back and you're in red another 5000 regardless of other rounds).
Furthermore, a round robin of 50 over a 2 week period is not achievable.
"At 50 players ...a round robin setting. ...arranged matches for a two week time period."
A round robin of 50 competitors requires 50/2 *(50-1) matches. That comes out to 600 games or 42 to 43 games per day. That is also not something that could happen. Even if every game was 10 minutes long, that's still 7+ hours a day, every day, for all 50 players. Scheduling that would not be feasible.
Can we take this announcement as Blizzard's seal of approval on their legitimacy and that its safe to give them our money?
But then again, just my two cents. I do hope everything works out for this league, as it's really nice to see the community getting more involvement from cash prizes. Maybe we could possibly see some new blood in the SC2 pro scene from this event!
Hilarious nickname for someone who makes such a post. Hahahaha.
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No one puts money into something they don't think they'll profit from.
You want to incorporate your company as a non-profit, that's fine, but at least recognize that eSports will never grow if it's only competitions lose money.
This is probably one of the worst things that could happen for SC2: to have people throw money away at it. You're showing potential legitimate tournament administrators that you have to lose money on your investments in order to hold an event. That doesn't bode well for expansion.
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Is it the winner of the group that gets paid, or do you HAVE to go 2-0?
I assume its possible to advance but not go 2-0, if everyone losses at least one game, no?
Or in that case does no one get paid?
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The system is based off of percentages, we need a minimum of 3,000 registrations to be at 48 people in the 5th round of the tournament. Currently there are over 1,500 players registered for the tournament so there should not be an issue there. Regardless, as we stated in the previous thread, no matter how many people sign up we will continue forward with the tournament as it laid out throughout the web site. If we do not have exactly 50 for the Final Fifty round then it will not be 50 players participating, but the style, format and structure will not change.
Looking at the rounds as groups will only confuse you that is why we reference them as brackets. It works no different than any 16 person bracket you've seen just 4 instead and when you submit a win the system will automatically advance you to the next stage.
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Today the IG Invitational begins at 7PM EST hosted by Its GoSu eSports and sponsored by NE-SE. More details about the tourney and the roster can be found Here. To view the live stream which will begin at 7PM EST approximately click Here. A really great line up has been established and we're looking forward to a really great 2 day event.
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they have hosted a few other decently prized tournies
they are featuring this tourney w/ GoSu
at a certain point people need to just believe them, lol
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The IG Invitational first rounds were insane yesterday, nothing but phenomenal players across the board. A few of the match ups for today:
Check.Prime Vs SlayerS.Min
Dream.Attero Vs MarineKing.Prime
GoSu.HwangSin Vs GoSu.wbc
Stream starts at 7PM EST Today (8/11/11) Click Here to view the Live Stream.
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Brunei Darussalam24 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:18 NeSE wrote:
The system is based off of percentages, we need a minimum of 3,000 registrations to be at 48 people in the 5th round of the tournament. Currently there are over 1,500 players registered for the tournament so there should not be an issue there. Regardless, as we stated in the previous thread, no matter how many people sign up we will continue forward with the tournament as it laid out throughout the web site. If we do not have exactly 50 for the Final Fifty round then it will not be 50 players participating, but the style, format and structure will not change.
Is there anywhere to see who all has registered and paid for the tournament?
On August 10 2011 04:23 NeSE wrote:
We have already answered all of these questions on the previous forum thread. Last time we did respond to everyone's questions and concerns and all that led to was bickering. We do sincerely respect the feedback of the community and we have already made changes to our event based on that very feedback. Your concerns are absolutely justified as we are a new organization in eSports (eSports not gaming because we are not game developers sadly) and we expect you to react.
All the "bickering" that occurred seemed to be because you never actually answered any of the questions, just dodged them instead, or am I wrong?
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Gl in your tournament. I don't think I'll participate because I'm pretty bad ^^;;
You'd think that all the haters who still question the authenticity of this would pipe down because it's a new thread and on the TL sponsored section.
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On August 12 2011 12:46 MonkSEA wrote:
Gl in your tournament. I don't think I'll participate because I'm pretty bad ^^;;
You'd think that all the haters who still question the authenticity of this would pipe down because it's a new thread and on the TL sponsored section.
The initial post was also in the TL sponsored section, that doesn't really mean anything other than they paid TL some money for it. There's no reason to pipe down when it's tons of money coming out of nowhere with no backing, no sponsors, and a ridiculous format that, if the tournament fills as planned, results in the organizer making boatloads of money without returning much of it back in prize pool. We've had no more confirmation that this in legit than we did when I first questioned it, and it still appears like a giant scheme to take money and run.
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On August 12 2011 12:46 MonkSEA wrote:
Gl in your tournament. I don't think I'll participate because I'm pretty bad ^^;;
You'd think that all the haters who still question the authenticity of this would pipe down because it's a new thread and on the TL sponsored section.
Err.. What? You can't force people to trust something that hasn't earned their trust. I'm glad you found that ability in yourself to give this the benefit of the doubt, but everyone isn't you.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 12 2011 16:52 G2Wolf wrote:
The initial post was also in the TL sponsored section, that doesn't really mean anything other than they paid TL some money for it. There's no reason to pipe down when it's tons of money coming out of nowhere with no backing, no sponsors, and a ridiculous format that, if the tournament fills as planned, results in the organizer making boatloads of money without returning much of it back in prize pool. We've had no more confirmation that this in legit than we did when I first questioned it, and it still appears like a giant scheme to take money and run.
To be fair, they have come through with some of the requests (Tournament up on Blizzard's page).. but I agree to an extent. I have no clue how to get a tournament up on the Blizzard site. For all I know, it could be just throwing a few hundred dollars at Blizzard so they feature it.
The plain fact is that they're going to have to earn the trust of the community that is doubting them, and that's not a bad thing at all. The small 1.75k tournaments they're holding are great, but that's just the first step. I'm honestly leaning more towards believing them, but they're just something really unprofessional about it, be it the name/site/video. Instead of treating this thread like the last one and trying to silence people with assurances, I'd really like it if NESE just goes ahead with their plans and does their best to prove that they're a reputable and competent organization.
Seriously though.. Your site proves that you can do design pretty well. Look at the ridiculous gap in quality in the themes between http://ne-se.com/sc2/ and http://ne-se.com/. It hurts to look at the difference. While the home site has a terrible use of space (and a ridiculous mention of the Blizzard announcement.. you're promoting a promotion of yourself through another site.. which points back to you..) the theme of the home site is pretty damn good. Why couldn't you just apply that theme to the SC2 page, instead of ripping the art out of the game.
Also: remove that flash of the LV skyline. It lags down every browser I use and causes freezes occasionally in Chrome. In addition, have the link to the tournaments not always saying that they're live.
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Incredibly nice, loved it when I first knew about it, I might even give it a try, who knows...so tempting, VIVA LAS VEGAS!!!!
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On August 11 2011 02:18 NeSE wrote:
The system is based off of percentages, we need a minimum of 3,000 registrations to be at 48 people in the 5th round of the tournament. Currently there are over 1,500 players registered for the tournament so there should not be an issue there. Regardless, as we stated in the previous thread, no matter how many people sign up we will continue forward with the tournament as it laid out throughout the web site. If we do not have exactly 50 for the Final Fifty round then it will not be 50 players participating, but the style, format and structure will not change.
Looking at the rounds as groups will only confuse you that is why we reference them as brackets. It works no different than any 16 person bracket you've seen just 4 instead and when you submit a win the system will automatically advance you to the next stage. ...
I get that this is (if you insist) many Ro4's that's is not my point of contention. In the monthly Tournies there is a claim that your prize pool is a certain size. That's fine and dandy. To come to distribute this prize pool, specifically the top end you MUST reach a certain number of players so that the rounds can double enough times to reach that "large" number at the end of the road. I am just wondering if the prizepool will be reduced if you have less competition. I get that you will take out a dozen or whatever people from each tourney into the "final 50" that to me is irrelevant. I merely am looking at each tourney as an isolated case and not seeing your system being able to achieve your promises.
It is concerning. Again, I would like to state that I do not question your ability to pay out the money but rather HOW you determine how much money you pay out. Your system is very confusing and leaves alot to the imagination. I hope you eventually see the folly of your ways and explain HOW the brackets will work in a less then optimal situation.
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On August 13 2011 00:14 eauxlune wrote:The plain fact is that they're going to have to earn the trust of the community that is doubting them, and that's not a bad thing at all. The small 1.75k tournaments they're holding are great, but that's just the first step. I'm honestly leaning more towards believing them, but they're just something really unprofessional about it, be it the name/site/video. Instead of treating this thread like the last one and trying to silence people with assurances, I'd really like it if NESE just goes ahead with their plans and does their best to prove that they're a reputable and competent organization. Seriously though.. Your site proves that you can do design pretty well. Look at the ridiculous gap in quality in the themes between http://ne-se.com/sc2/ and http://ne-se.com/. It hurts to look at the difference. While the home site has a terrible use of space (and a ridiculous mention of the Blizzard announcement.. you're promoting a promotion of yourself through another site.. which points back to you..) the theme of the home site is pretty damn good. Why couldn't you just apply that theme to the SC2 page, instead of ripping the art out of the game.
You are 100% correct in that we are going to have to earn the trust of the community and as we have stated previously, that is most certainly our intention. The gap you see in the difference between the NE-SE StarCraft 2 game site and the NE-SE home page is a part of a larger picture. The NE-SE has plans to incorporate more games in the future and each game added will follow the same model as the StarCraft 2 game site. The intention is to create an environment for competitive game play revolving around that specific game that is both comfortable and easy to follow for all players. Based on the amount of information most organizer's web sites contain it becomes very difficult to navigate efficiently and effectively. Participating in a tournament based community should be a more intense level of game play, but also a comfortable one. However, if the entire population agreed through feedback that they would prefer the site to be designed as a result of a different model entirely, we would do more than just take that into consideration.
On August 15 2011 22:18 Gofarman wrote:
I get that this is (if you insist) many Ro4's that's is not my point of contention. In the monthly Tournies there is a claim that your prize pool is a certain size. That's fine and dandy. To come to distribute this prize pool, specifically the top end you MUST reach a certain number of players so that the rounds can double enough times to reach that "large" number at the end of the road. I am just wondering if the prizepool will be reduced if you have less competition. I get that you will take out a dozen or whatever people from each tourney into the "final 50" that to me is irrelevant. I merely am looking at each tourney as an isolated case and not seeing your system being able to achieve your promises.
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We have answered the question regarding the size of the tournament and that having an impact on the payouts of the event. The only prize amounts we post are those that are guaranteed prize amounts which are: Round 1 $20 | Round 2 $40 | Round 3 $80 | Round 4 $160 | Round 5 $320 | Round 6 $640 | Finals 1st Place $30,000 | Finals 2nd Place $15,000 | Finals 3rd Place $7,500 | The four players and teams that win each of the four tournaments will all receive a plus two guest list for an all expense paid trip to Las Vegas to compete in the Finals. These prize amounts are guaranteed and in order to achieve 6 full rounds of tournament play we require a minimum of 3,000 participants. As we have previously stated, we are already over 1,600 registered participants and registrations do not conclude until September 30th.
That being said, the NE-SE is working on bringing some really great new stuff to the public and we are hoping to make announcements by the end of August. Please stay tuned to our web site for new updates and re-designs based on community feedback as well. The NE-SE 2v2 Qualifier hosted by Its GoSu eSports has also been announced for more information, Click Here or Check out the Team Liquid thread.
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where can we see a list of the 1500+ players that have signed up? I think offering that up would go a long way in getting people to trust your methods.
I would also suggest to stop calling each mini bracket a 'round'. I think this is confusing people.
Basically.. the first 'stage' of the event is brackets of 4 players with each bracket winner advancing to the 2nd 'stage'.
There.. a bit easier. 
Player list please!!???
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On August 16 2011 05:52 NeSE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 22:18 Gofarman wrote:
I get that this is (if you insist) many Ro4's that's is not my point of contention. In the monthly Tournies there is a claim that your prize pool is a certain size. That's fine and dandy. To come to distribute this prize pool, specifically the top end you MUST reach a certain number of players so that the rounds can double enough times to reach that "large" number at the end of the road. I am just wondering if the prizepool will be reduced if you have less competition. I get that you will take out a dozen or whatever people from each tourney into the "final 50" that to me is irrelevant. I merely am looking at each tourney as an isolated case and not seeing your system being able to achieve your promises.
. We have answered the question regarding the size of the tournament and that having an impact on the payouts of the event. The only prize amounts we post are those that are guaranteed prize amounts which are: Round 1 $20 | Round 2 $40 | Round 3 $80 | Round 4 $160 | Round 5 $320 | Round 6 $640 | Finals 1st Place $30,000 | Finals 2nd Place $15,000 | Finals 3rd Place $7,500 | The four players and teams that win each of the four tournaments will all receive a plus two guest list for an all expense paid trip to Las Vegas to compete in the Finals. These prize amounts are guaranteed and in order to achieve 6 full rounds of tournament play we require a minimum of 3,000 participants. As we have previously stated, we are already over 1,600 registered participants and registrations do not conclude until September 30th. That being said, the NE-SE is working on bringing some really great new stuff to the public and we are hoping to make announcements by the end of August. Please stay tuned to our web site for new updates and re-designs based on community feedback as well. The NE-SE 2v2 Qualifier hosted by Its GoSu eSports has also been announced for more information, Click Here or Check out the Team Liquid thread.
First of all, thanks for the response.
Secondly, I would like to further clarify my question so I can get a more accurate answer. The part I bolded is what I am calling into question as you might be able to tell in my previous post, hopefully. With 6 'brackets' of 4 in each that requires 4096 people to sign-up to play to reach your magical number so that your money doubles enough. The thing that I call into question is are you intending to hold all 6 rounds regardless of sign-up numbers. Usually a system allows for some flexibility and so that is my greatest concern since your system does not.
So for all that pretext I will form my question.
Do you intend to pay out to people the winnings for a round if your participation is too low for said player to win the two games in his bracket?
ie. if the player is given bye's through all or part of his Group of 4 and as such wins the Round by default.
I truly appreciate your contribution to this community even though I was very skeptical of your intent at first. Thanks for the response.
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So... How is this even shaping up?
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On September 15 2011 04:35 csn_JohnClark wrote:
So... How is this even shaping up?
I would like to know this as well.
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On September 15 2011 04:35 csn_JohnClark wrote:
So... How is this even shaping up?
I would like my question answered...
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I have a feeling you wont get your answer.... nor will this event every actually happen. I stated from the start.. that it was scam and until legitimate questions are actually answered and a single match is played.. I stand by it. I think the idea is good actually.. and have considered something similar.. but if I run something like this for CSN.. I assure you.. questions will be answered.. people will get paid and matches will happen!
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