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![[image loading]](http://www.ne-se.com/banner/nese-banner6.jpg) The National eSports Event StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty 1v1 & 2v2 Tournament A Season 1.
The NE-SE organization has established a multitude of great features throughout the tournament and game web site for all players to enjoy. The NE-SE structure brings a real opportunity for all gamers to earn cash prizes competing in a StarCraft II tournament. With round by round cash prizes, finals competition in Las Vegas, a fully interactive web site Profile System, some of the largest prize pools in North America and more; we promise we are here for the betterment of eSports.
How it works
It is free to register for the website and get access to most of the site’s features, but to participate in the tournament there is a $20 Entry Fee for 1v1 and a $20 Entry Fee for 2v2 ($10 per player).
Upon registering for a tournament your name is entered into the pool of names with all other registered players. From there, 48 hours prior to game play starting on October 3rd, each player will be randomly funneled into one of the many NE-SE four person brackets. You will also receive an email at that time to inform you that the brackets have been uploaded and provide you with more information. If you beat your opponent in your bracket, you fill out a Winner’s Form and then you will be advanced onto the next stage of the bracket. If you defeat your next opponent you will have won that bracket and, by doing so, won the round.
Each player will have one week to complete both games in the round, if you win the first match of the round. Every round will start on Monday and end on Sunday, providing players with ample time to complete all matches casually. This also allows the NE-SE to be more involved with the community and specific/adaptable to every situation. Each tournament has six rounds, seven weeks of total game play, a one week break before the next tournament begins and there are four tournaments per NE-SE Season.
Round 1 :: $20
Round 2 :: $40
Round 3 :: $80
Round 4 :: $160
Round 5 :: $320
Round 6 :: $640
Total Prizes :: $1,260
Each Round in the NE-SE has a cash prize amount attached to it starting at $20 and doubling every round thereafter for 6 rounds. Once you have won a round, that prize is your claim even if you are eliminated in a future round. In Round 6, the tournament converts to a Round Robin format called the Final Fifty. In this round players will go head to head for two weeks in scheduled matches which will be displayed in a “delayed” live stream. The top four players or teams with the best records will win the round and as a result, win that tournament.
Total prizes to a tournament winner are:
• $1,200+ in cash prizes accumulated throughout all the rounds.
• Unlock the “Upload Picture” capability in your NE-SE Profile.
• A plus two guest list for an all-expense paid trip to Las Vegas to compete in Finals.
• NE-SE Finals :: 1st Place- $30,000 2nd Place- $15,000 3rd Place- $7,500.
As it stands right now each game up until the Final Fifty round of the tournament will be Single Elimination. We are still looking for more feedback regarding the style of the early rounds to determine a final decision by October 1st, 2011.
More Information
You can register on the web site as a Guest or Player to acquire your own NE-SE User Profile. The NE-SE StarCraft 2 Profiles are designed exactly like your Battle.net StarCraft 2 Profiles to provide additional entertaining aspects. Under the My Account tab you can change your preferred race, click Update Profile and watch the background image throughout your entire profile change including when other players view your profile. We have also incorporated some starter Profile Portraits for Official NE-SE Players to choose from.
The NE-SE isn’t simply limited to tournaments. There will be countless amounts of other fun events to involve all parts of the community especially within Team PerfeXion: casters, viewers, artists, along with players. By registering for the website (for free), you can participate and be up to date on these events including the NE-SE Concept Art Competition.
Team PerfeXion
The NE-SE is sponsoring a team and we are inviting everyone to join including both active community members and competitive players to Join Team PerfeXion. The NE-SE Team Leaders have developed a really great system that we are going to establish over the next 6-8 weeks online. There is going to be daily accessible tournaments, interactive bios, coaching sessions and more. You can sign up for the Team today by applying on the NE-SE forums or filling out a registration form on the team perfeXion tab at ne-se.com.
For more information regarding Team PerfeXion see http://ne-se.com/perfexion.html or email one of the Team Leaders at dave@ne-se.com :: frank@ne-se.com.
The NE-SE Organization is built on the foundation of all gamers and we are always going to work and strive to provide maximum entertainment for all gamers. We always appreciate feedback and we have already proven that we look forward to making changes based on the demands of the community. We look forward to bringing you the greatest series of events North America has ever seen and also to seeing you compete and test your skill throughout these events.
The Official NE-SE StarCraft II Rules and Map Pools can be found at http://ne-se.com/sc2/rules on page 2 and we are still interested in feedback regarding 2v2 map preferences. For a more in-depth breakdown of the tournament please see http://ne-se.com/tournament.html and the NE-SE Forum at http://ne-se.com/forum/.
Related Events
August 10th and 11th: Its GoSu eSports Invitational for more information, Click Here.
August 12th: NE-SE 2v2 Open Qualifier hosted by Its GoSu eSports
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I hope all problems which came up in the first thread are solved now and this will be a great event!
The launch was rather unlucky so the future will hopefully be very bright ;D
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oo the website is neat Good luck to anyone who participates
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The last few threads brought it off to a rough start, but it seems like you're taking advice from the critics and no longer lashing back.
I have to say that I'm happy to see that your approach towards the community has matured greatly since I first heard of you. Keep it up and you guys will have a great tournament on your hands. I'll be following!
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this tournament has had quite some haters when first announced, i hope everything goes well for you guys
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I hope I am able to play, but I may it may be starting right as I am moving, either way, I hope everything goes great, I really like the idea behind it!
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How are they funding this? I don't see any sponsors or anything on the team website.
Live in Vegas seems really cool though.
You also need to edit the ! away from the ne-se link, otherwise it'll give an error.
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it would be great if the entry was free, i would enter it if i won the free entry or you guys made it free entry because i dont think i will be able to pay back the entry fee with prize money 
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i imagine the early round prizes are prob gonna be covered by entry fees, and the grand prizes by sponsors yet to be announced
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this na only eu able to join aswell? 
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good luck with this. seems like more and more great tournaments all the time. yay
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To reach Round6 with the "final fifty" you need ~51,000 players. This is very unlikely, so what happens if there are not enough players?
With enough players the payout is about 50% of the entry fees (including the finals).
Numbers for one of the four tournaments:
Total entry fees: 1,024,000 $
Total prizes: 498,560 $
Taking that much money for a "User profile" and "Profile Picture" looks greedy to me. A total of 2 million $ earned by 4 pure online tournaments with one final event that might even make money from streams, sponsors, HD-passes etc. is way to much in my opinion.
I do support every tournament that helps e-sports to grow and aims at bringing high level matches to the viewers, while allowing new players to join.
However, this still feels like a "how to make tons of money from e-sports"-tournament, which is why i will not support it.
But thats just me... Good luck to all the competitors!
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I agree with JustAGame. This tournament just wreaks of "how can we make money using SC2". You cant just make money at the start. You need build your way up...and i can see you still have your LOTR Nazgul background for SC2, which is just another thing that tells me you dont get it.
Also if you had so much money to put into this why would you use z33k as your tournament organizers? make your own interface to host your tournaments...
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First of all, I must say that this is a very ambitious and cool sounding event! But, I have several questions about your tournament that I am curious about and would greatly appreciate a response:
1 - Are you assuming that you will have a perfect multiple of 4 sign up for each tournament? The way the "mini - brackets" work would be totally unfair if this is not the case. If there are only 3 players in a mini bracket for example (which seems extremely likely), Players 1 and 2 play one game for a chance to play player 3? If this is the case, perhaps changing the rules so that all 3 players play each other rather than having the loser of the first match be eliminated would be better?
2 - Also, as JustAGame pointed out, you need approximately 51k participants for the tournament to work the way you desire it to. What happens if you get, say 5.1k participants instead? Will the prize pool and round structure still stay the same? Will some mini-brackets only have two or even just one player in them?
3 - The structure of the mini-brackets is also kind of bothersome. Lose once and you're out? What benefits do you see to this style as opposed to a more classic double elimination round-robin (which would be more typical of a 4 person player pool)? If the main concern is expediting running the pools, this could easily be taken care of by the tournament web site, requiring no extra work on your end.
Thanks, and I look forward to hearing your responses. Good luck with the event
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Has Blizzard done research into whether or not the backers are legitimate? The initial announcements were extremely suspicious and the format doesn't seem viable at all. As this post is their proof of legitimacy and they are going to be taking people's money I wonder if they or the format were vetted.
Specifically, their format calls for either 6 rounds where 1/4 advances into a 50 player round robin, or sufficient 4 person rounds until 50 players remain (the specification is contradictory).
If its the former, 4^6 * 50 or 204,800 entries would be necessary to fill the bracket. This is several orders of magnitude larger than other entry fee competitions such as NASL Open brackets. Profits per competition
would be in excess of 2 million from total entry fees of ~4 million. This is the size of competition the schedule calls for (6 weeks + 2 week round robin with each 4 player round taking 7 days) and what is described on the payout table.
If its the latter, an entrant pool of 1000 (4 times as popular as NASL) would nearly result in losses from the prizes paid out for the final 50 alone (320 * 50 + 4*640 = 18560, 250 players getting their $20 bucks back and you're in red another 5000 regardless of other rounds).
Furthermore, a round robin of 50 over a 2 week period is not achievable.
"At 50 players ...a round robin setting. ...arranged matches for a two week time period."
A round robin of 50 competitors requires 50/2 *(50-1) matches. That comes out to 600 games or 42 to 43 games per day. That is also not something that could happen. Even if every game was 10 minutes long, that's still 7+ hours a day, every day, for all 50 players. Scheduling that would not be feasible.
Can we take this announcement as Blizzard's seal of approval on their legitimacy and that its safe to give them our money?
But then again, just my two cents. I do hope everything works out for this league, as it's really nice to see the community getting more involvement from cash prizes. Maybe we could possibly see some new blood in the SC2 pro scene from this event!
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This was already discussed on the last thread. If they somehow got that many people to sign up, they would make money. However more likely is that the entry fees will not cover the prizes for the qualifiers + finals.
As for the final 50 (wishful thinking in terms of sign-ups I believe) it doesn't require you play every other player. Given that it requires 4 winners, you could have everyone play 10-20 games, and 4 overall winners would most likely come out. If these are BO1 instead of BO3, that's not too many games over a couple weeks.
It would be nice if they clarified the final-50 format, but I honestly doubt it will even come up.
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Yea, that stuff has all been brought up before. I even made a nice little spreadsheet basically saying everything you did and was told: "That is now[sic] how the tournament system works at all". At which point the organizer mentioned that it was much simpler and that they have a picture in their office or something but we were never told how it was simpler. Still waiting on that.
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Some clarification is certainly needed.
Can we get somebody to comment on the format issues raised?
ps: my head a splode
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talked w/ the owner, he seems like a pretty legit guy
he got you guys his blizzard license, he's updated the map pool
some people just dont want to believe in good things, who cares if he fucking makes money off of e-sports
if they pay out the prize, and pay for travel for the finalist, whooooo fucking cares if he puts some $$ in his pocket
ya, you'd love to see some more committed to prizepool in that sense, but shit.... let em make money if they can!
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On August 09 2011 11:52 DuxDucis wrote:
some people just dont want to believe in good things
Well read this:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 14:36 NeSE wrote:
This is an insane version of our prize pool system and make absolutely no sense. We actually have our prize pool system broken down on a chart for everyone to clearly see in our office. I assure, what is posted on our wall is absolutely nothing like what you have mentioned here.
This event is NOT designed to be a money maker or generate any revenue at all for the NeSE organization. Nor is the possibility of revenue from registrations even counted on amongst our team. The goal of this tournament is to provide the best possible event that we can provide and that is Costing us money from Season start to Season finish.
Lot of people came to the same result looking at the bracket description, but this mysterious chart tells we are all wrong
And then there is this video...
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 16:34 Jetaap wrote:
A step on the right direction would be to post a youtube video where you present yourself, your team (i guess you're not working alone) , your office etc. On July 22 2011 16:36 NeSE wrote:That is actually a phenomenal idea. Our YouTube Channel is www.youtube.com/USeSports. I am going to put together a video that introduces members of our staff that people can view on that YouTube channel. This is exactly why feedback like your's is valued and feedback like their's is a waste of time and energy. Take a closer look at this video introducing the staff. For those who wonder: It shows scenes of SC2 campaign, mixed up with LOTR and Halo (?). Why is a video labeled SC2 tournament full of non SC2 clips? And how is this about the staff?"
While i am not sure, what skills you need to host a tournament (since i never did), for some reasons i think, you should at least know that there are no Orcs in SC2....
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Wow, that video is pretty absurd if their intention was to introduce the team and office behind the project. It was basically a montage of copyrighted blizzard footage with youtube annotations. Given the lack of production value in that trailer alone, I would be a little bit skeptical.
The tournament concept is interesting, but I'm not sure how they can validate the 'we aren't trying to make any money' model. It seems pretty clear that the intention is to generate, not that generating profit is a bad thing. I'd love the see this mysterious chart :-/
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Since Blizzard has now put there stamp of approval on this "tournament" I guess we can't doubt that they have the cash for the finals when it comes to it.
They still have yet to actually explain the system of the round by round pay out since I greatly doubt they will get anywhere to what they are projecting in participation they will probably end up paying out a pittance with a ridiculous step up for the finals if they don't quit before then.
Also, the fact that they have yet to get even one person with some reputation to give them some repute I find this highly suspicious. Every league that has had any success has come into this market with people that are already involved with the community to be if nothing else then a boost to credibility or reputation.
It seems squirrelly and they want me to pay money? GL
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wow that sounds cool
hope there will some good players in there that i can bash + Show Spoiler +
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I agree that they should provide more background information about who they are (other than gamers). As far as I can see you can get a single name or representative from their site.
That said it looks pretty valid and awesome if everything promised is met.
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Hi guys I made a post in the other thread, but deleted it at the request of Unruly, because he was furious. I haven't made many posts here at TL, but I feel as if this one is warranted. tl;dr is in a section below the "story" part of the post.
I was approached by this guy, Unruly, on battlenet who told me of this tournament format, I was skeptical at first, since nothing of the sorts can I remember being done, especially with an entry fee. He stated his ambitions of having sc2 in stadium arenas, being a televised event, and asked for my opinions, because he was asking many gamers around the community. He gave me the website to theworldgamingseries, and it was awful, filled with spam etc, the new NeSe website looks similar, but has shaped up drastically. For those questioning who is backing this, He said he sold his company Silentium enterprises, and vested it all into this tournament. I don't know about you but that website and videos, sure do not look like $100,000 vested as well as from a company who previously came from the tech/sound industry. Anyways we went on, and he said he was going to offer me a job of in the range of $50,000, which by years end if the tournament is successful i could be earning six figures, and pick any job that i want. To me this sounded like a pyramid scheme at best, considering I had just recently had an encounter with this company called Primerica.
He then sent me an outline, which stated the obvious, and things I already told him about how to make a successful tournament turnout. I then replied with a lengthy email with improvements that could be made, such as having a main showmatch caster, along with korean/eu casters, and secondary casters, along with a slew of other ideas/improvements and things that I would be willing to do for him, advertise in channels, advertise on my stream, cast matches etc etc.
Anyways after a while I had made a post basically containing some of what is said in this post, which at the time I got caught in the mob sort of things, where I was seeing the numbers and many other question the tournament, which I had questioned as well, so I figured why not join the crowd, and make a post with the information I have and let people read it and figure it out for themselves, and was then contacted by Unruly again on battlenet, who basically degraded my character, saying I missed and "opportunity" of a lifetime. And what got me the most is that I just stated what our conversations were, and some of the things that we went over, which should be public anyways, should it really matter if I typed it in a questioning manner? I really don't deserve, and others on this forum who questioned it, also don't deserved to receive a bashing for simply stating their opinions.
What got me the most is when he said to me on battlenet "u think i'm concerned about bad publicity? in esports?" and mind you this conversation of him bashing me hardcore in battlenet chat, was happening when I was playing IN the nese qualifier #2, streaming it, and supporting it on my stream.....
All in all I think the tournament has a strange format, everything seems thrown together, and in a type of hurry hurry join now style, the production value, and release all seem thrown out there, and the top guy doing this seems shady from what others have posted, and his overall character judging from how he responds to others and me. (see the post by jobebob http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245230¤tpage=9 and then http://www.nvannualreport.com/entities-DLLC-SILENTIUM-ENTERPRISES-LLC.aspx and http://www.nvannualreport.com/entities-DLLC-MATCHLESS-ENTERTAINMENT-LLC.aspx ... none of it makes any sense, maybe some of you can put it straight, but all the different addresses, and how he spells his company wrong here http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=672719&st=0&p=7656369&#entry7656369 ... it all just seems poorly thrown together)
tl;dr
(The too long didn't read is basically this: This dannie/unruly/nese guy comes off either as a character who is either genuinely interested in sc2 scene, or someone who played sc2 for a bit, and is now trying to take the gamers / advertisers money for a great profit, and I am not convinced until all of the registration fee is in prize money or invested into the tournament, not salaries, and a LOT of other minor changes as well, one being such as the privacy of information (so bnet accounts cannot be stole), someone mentioned in the previous thread, I believe that money can be made, but the first year should be break even for credibility and it's outrageous to make a killing like this off of others hard-work.) end tl;dr
Final conclusion, is that I am not convinced, I think with ALL of the misinformation happening and the weird tournament layout along with the registration fee, everything thrown together, and so many people still questioning this is enough for me to stay away. My hopes are that this is in fact not a money making scheme, and that gamers and sponsors working hard for real tournaments with better production value, growth of gaming and their company don't get burned by this bad apple. I know for me that all of this had been a really strange experience/encounter and a downer for "missing the opportunity of a lifetime" but even if this ends up being "the future of esports" (side note to all (why esports, why not just gaming) I will continually have better things to watch such as dreamhack, TSL, nasl, GSL, etc, and better run tournaments to play in myself such as z33k ones, playhem/stimtv, geforce, esl, craftcup etc so many good big/small/player run tournaments out there, and to be honest it sucks to burn a bridge this early on, but like I said I am not convinced until it is at LEAST a break even 1st year, and security measures are met, and some changes to the videos/tournament structure, and other things people posted etc.
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Yeah, and how do you think the owner is going to respond when he only gets 1500 people willing to put in $20? Is he still going to proceed with this tournament? I doubt it. I bet he knows it can't generate that much.
Even 1500 participants would generate $30,000, which is great, but it won't cover the prize pool. Will he cough up some of his own money? Will the prize pool downgrade? If so, then the prize pool was and always has been relative to the amount of participants and thus eminently misleading to claim such a large pool to attract big name players who will in the end, may only be playing for much less, if at all. If the participants are too low, will the owner just call off the live event tournament and just make the round robin of $1,250 be the final prize? (or something of this nature) If he does this, then only a few thousand are invested in the prize pool and he can split with loads of extra money, seeing as almost all the prize pool is in the final live event.
This whole tournament has been fishy from the start.
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The owner needs to speak up and defend these accusations in some way. If he could respond to this feedback it would be much appreciated..
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The owner has spoken on these matters in another thread, and at the end of it he did try to answer some of them. My biggest issue with all of this is not that he wants to make money (I envy that)..its that he has not laid out the plan to us in a manner that makes us feel comfortable. I do not play SC2... I run events for those that do and I make it a point to engage with the community before throwing money around and asking for others to pay in. I suggested to him that he do the same and start small and apparently he did with some smaller $1500.00 event a few weeks back. Does anyone have results on how that went?
I am still very skeptical of this entire thing and wish he had more concrete answers on how the format was structured and what his intentions were.
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We have already answered all of these questions on the previous forum thread. Last time we did respond to everyone's questions and concerns and all that led to was bickering. We do sincerely respect the feedback of the community and we have already made changes to our event based on that very feedback. Your concerns are absolutely justified as we are a new organization in eSports (eSports not gaming because we are not game developers sadly) and we expect you to react.
Despite what some may think we are not going anywhere and we are here to stay absolutely so if your concerns are that strong we suggest waiting. We will continue to host our event as well as sponsor and host many events along with the main NE-SE tournaments. We are also working towards incorporating some 3rd party affiliations to decrease and possibly eliminate the entry fee entirely. The NE-SE is here for the community and you can be assured we will always cater to you as best as we possibly can. Our system is simple and anyone in the US can participate, it is clearly broken down throughout our web site and on this thread.
We would like to encourage people to continue to provide feedback either on the NE-SE forums or by emailed esports@ne-se.com. We realize there is always great margin for improvement and we appreciate all the feedback you provide because that is how we will continue improve. If you have any sincere concerns or interests regarding the NE-SE please utilize the suggested means of contact. We hope this has been informative and we do apologize for the inconvenience.
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I don't see this ending well. Sponsored thread? Money talks.
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I don't feel comfortable shelling out money to play in a league with a shady background. Good luck to those involved and those who wish to participate.
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For those who didn't see previous thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245230
I just read this today and it was funny enough grinding through all those hate posts. Understandable to make these claims before blizz anouncement, tough...
But now that all's cleared up I just want to wish you good luck and it's a shame since only US can participate at the moment.
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I have no problem with an e-Sports organization making money. The owner's post was oddly unspecific and didn't address any concerns in this. I wish them the best although I wont be taking part
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On August 10 2011 08:04 Perfect Assassin wrote:
But now that all's cleared up I just want to wish you good luck and it's a shame since only US can participate at the moment.
This aspect goes hand in hand with the entry fee to the tournament and we could not agree with you more. It requires continued support from the community for us to be able to incorporate the type of 3rd parties required to eliminate the entry fee and create international availability. At any rate, we can certainly assure you that we are working firmly towards this goal constantly.
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On August 10 2011 11:03 NeSE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 08:04 Perfect Assassin wrote:
But now that all's cleared up I just want to wish you good luck and it's a shame since only US can participate at the moment. This aspect goes hand in hand with the entry fee to the tournament and we could not agree with you more. It requires continued support from the community for us to be able to incorporate the type of 3rd parties required to eliminate the entry fee and create international availability. At any rate, we can certainly assure you that we are working firmly towards this goal constantly.
I just want you to show us what happens when you get might get 100 people signed up for your event are you still planning on having the 6 rounds (which would result in people simply making money for signing up) or will the payouts just be that much less?
Your system is new to everyone here and I just want to understand it, you are doing a very poor job at explaining it and for that reason alone it makes your whole company look shady.
GLHF
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I thought this has been clarified already in the other thread? Why still so much hate people? Can't we just wait and see what happens?
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It was never clarified. Numerous posters were told they were wrong, myself included. And like I said, several times this mysterious poster was mentioned, but he kept avoiding it. Much like the post on this page.
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his responses seem to be very political and avoid many of the primary concerns of the posters in this thread. he continues to voice how positive and awesome this system is, yet the simple concerns can not be addressed.
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I tried emailing them at contact@, esports@ and enquiries@ne-se.com but they all bounced back to me with a failed delivery notice. Anyone else has this problem or is it just me?
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On August 09 2011 08:40 dbnk wrote:
Has Blizzard done research into whether or not the backers are legitimate? The initial announcements were extremely suspicious and the format doesn't seem viable at all. As this post is their proof of legitimacy and they are going to be taking people's money I wonder if they or the format were vetted.
Specifically, their format calls for either 6 rounds where 1/4 advances into a 50 player round robin, or sufficient 4 person rounds until 50 players remain (the specification is contradictory).
If its the former, 4^6 * 50 or 204,800 entries would be necessary to fill the bracket. This is several orders of magnitude larger than other entry fee competitions such as NASL Open brackets. Profits per competition
would be in excess of 2 million from total entry fees of ~4 million. This is the size of competition the schedule calls for (6 weeks + 2 week round robin with each 4 player round taking 7 days) and what is described on the payout table.
If its the latter, an entrant pool of 1000 (4 times as popular as NASL) would nearly result in losses from the prizes paid out for the final 50 alone (320 * 50 + 4*640 = 18560, 250 players getting their $20 bucks back and you're in red another 5000 regardless of other rounds).
Furthermore, a round robin of 50 over a 2 week period is not achievable.
"At 50 players ...a round robin setting. ...arranged matches for a two week time period."
A round robin of 50 competitors requires 50/2 *(50-1) matches. That comes out to 600 games or 42 to 43 games per day. That is also not something that could happen. Even if every game was 10 minutes long, that's still 7+ hours a day, every day, for all 50 players. Scheduling that would not be feasible.
Can we take this announcement as Blizzard's seal of approval on their legitimacy and that its safe to give them our money?
But then again, just my two cents. I do hope everything works out for this league, as it's really nice to see the community getting more involvement from cash prizes. Maybe we could possibly see some new blood in the SC2 pro scene from this event!
Hilarious nickname for someone who makes such a post. Hahahaha.
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No one puts money into something they don't think they'll profit from.
You want to incorporate your company as a non-profit, that's fine, but at least recognize that eSports will never grow if it's only competitions lose money.
This is probably one of the worst things that could happen for SC2: to have people throw money away at it. You're showing potential legitimate tournament administrators that you have to lose money on your investments in order to hold an event. That doesn't bode well for expansion.
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Is it the winner of the group that gets paid, or do you HAVE to go 2-0?
I assume its possible to advance but not go 2-0, if everyone losses at least one game, no?
Or in that case does no one get paid?
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The system is based off of percentages, we need a minimum of 3,000 registrations to be at 48 people in the 5th round of the tournament. Currently there are over 1,500 players registered for the tournament so there should not be an issue there. Regardless, as we stated in the previous thread, no matter how many people sign up we will continue forward with the tournament as it laid out throughout the web site. If we do not have exactly 50 for the Final Fifty round then it will not be 50 players participating, but the style, format and structure will not change.
Looking at the rounds as groups will only confuse you that is why we reference them as brackets. It works no different than any 16 person bracket you've seen just 4 instead and when you submit a win the system will automatically advance you to the next stage.
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Today the IG Invitational begins at 7PM EST hosted by Its GoSu eSports and sponsored by NE-SE. More details about the tourney and the roster can be found Here. To view the live stream which will begin at 7PM EST approximately click Here. A really great line up has been established and we're looking forward to a really great 2 day event.
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they have hosted a few other decently prized tournies
they are featuring this tourney w/ GoSu
at a certain point people need to just believe them, lol
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The IG Invitational first rounds were insane yesterday, nothing but phenomenal players across the board. A few of the match ups for today:
Check.Prime Vs SlayerS.Min
Dream.Attero Vs MarineKing.Prime
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Brunei Darussalam24 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:18 NeSE wrote:
The system is based off of percentages, we need a minimum of 3,000 registrations to be at 48 people in the 5th round of the tournament. Currently there are over 1,500 players registered for the tournament so there should not be an issue there. Regardless, as we stated in the previous thread, no matter how many people sign up we will continue forward with the tournament as it laid out throughout the web site. If we do not have exactly 50 for the Final Fifty round then it will not be 50 players participating, but the style, format and structure will not change.
Is there anywhere to see who all has registered and paid for the tournament?
On August 10 2011 04:23 NeSE wrote:
We have already answered all of these questions on the previous forum thread. Last time we did respond to everyone's questions and concerns and all that led to was bickering. We do sincerely respect the feedback of the community and we have already made changes to our event based on that very feedback. Your concerns are absolutely justified as we are a new organization in eSports (eSports not gaming because we are not game developers sadly) and we expect you to react.
All the "bickering" that occurred seemed to be because you never actually answered any of the questions, just dodged them instead, or am I wrong?
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Gl in your tournament. I don't think I'll participate because I'm pretty bad ^^;;
You'd think that all the haters who still question the authenticity of this would pipe down because it's a new thread and on the TL sponsored section.
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On August 12 2011 12:46 MonkSEA wrote:
Gl in your tournament. I don't think I'll participate because I'm pretty bad ^^;;
You'd think that all the haters who still question the authenticity of this would pipe down because it's a new thread and on the TL sponsored section.
The initial post was also in the TL sponsored section, that doesn't really mean anything other than they paid TL some money for it. There's no reason to pipe down when it's tons of money coming out of nowhere with no backing, no sponsors, and a ridiculous format that, if the tournament fills as planned, results in the organizer making boatloads of money without returning much of it back in prize pool. We've had no more confirmation that this in legit than we did when I first questioned it, and it still appears like a giant scheme to take money and run.
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On August 12 2011 12:46 MonkSEA wrote:
Gl in your tournament. I don't think I'll participate because I'm pretty bad ^^;;
You'd think that all the haters who still question the authenticity of this would pipe down because it's a new thread and on the TL sponsored section.
Err.. What? You can't force people to trust something that hasn't earned their trust. I'm glad you found that ability in yourself to give this the benefit of the doubt, but everyone isn't you.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 12 2011 16:52 G2Wolf wrote:
The initial post was also in the TL sponsored section, that doesn't really mean anything other than they paid TL some money for it. There's no reason to pipe down when it's tons of money coming out of nowhere with no backing, no sponsors, and a ridiculous format that, if the tournament fills as planned, results in the organizer making boatloads of money without returning much of it back in prize pool. We've had no more confirmation that this in legit than we did when I first questioned it, and it still appears like a giant scheme to take money and run.
To be fair, they have come through with some of the requests (Tournament up on Blizzard's page).. but I agree to an extent. I have no clue how to get a tournament up on the Blizzard site. For all I know, it could be just throwing a few hundred dollars at Blizzard so they feature it.
The plain fact is that they're going to have to earn the trust of the community that is doubting them, and that's not a bad thing at all. The small 1.75k tournaments they're holding are great, but that's just the first step. I'm honestly leaning more towards believing them, but they're just something really unprofessional about it, be it the name/site/video. Instead of treating this thread like the last one and trying to silence people with assurances, I'd really like it if NESE just goes ahead with their plans and does their best to prove that they're a reputable and competent organization.
Seriously though.. Your site proves that you can do design pretty well. Look at the ridiculous gap in quality in the themes between http://ne-se.com/sc2/ and http://ne-se.com/. It hurts to look at the difference. While the home site has a terrible use of space (and a ridiculous mention of the Blizzard announcement.. you're promoting a promotion of yourself through another site.. which points back to you..) the theme of the home site is pretty damn good. Why couldn't you just apply that theme to the SC2 page, instead of ripping the art out of the game.
Also: remove that flash of the LV skyline. It lags down every browser I use and causes freezes occasionally in Chrome. In addition, have the link to the tournaments not always saying that they're live.
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Incredibly nice, loved it when I first knew about it, I might even give it a try, who knows...so tempting, VIVA LAS VEGAS!!!!
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On August 11 2011 02:18 NeSE wrote:
The system is based off of percentages, we need a minimum of 3,000 registrations to be at 48 people in the 5th round of the tournament. Currently there are over 1,500 players registered for the tournament so there should not be an issue there. Regardless, as we stated in the previous thread, no matter how many people sign up we will continue forward with the tournament as it laid out throughout the web site. If we do not have exactly 50 for the Final Fifty round then it will not be 50 players participating, but the style, format and structure will not change.
Looking at the rounds as groups will only confuse you that is why we reference them as brackets. It works no different than any 16 person bracket you've seen just 4 instead and when you submit a win the system will automatically advance you to the next stage. ...
I get that this is (if you insist) many Ro4's that's is not my point of contention. In the monthly Tournies there is a claim that your prize pool is a certain size. That's fine and dandy. To come to distribute this prize pool, specifically the top end you MUST reach a certain number of players so that the rounds can double enough times to reach that "large" number at the end of the road. I am just wondering if the prizepool will be reduced if you have less competition. I get that you will take out a dozen or whatever people from each tourney into the "final 50" that to me is irrelevant. I merely am looking at each tourney as an isolated case and not seeing your system being able to achieve your promises.
It is concerning. Again, I would like to state that I do not question your ability to pay out the money but rather HOW you determine how much money you pay out. Your system is very confusing and leaves alot to the imagination. I hope you eventually see the folly of your ways and explain HOW the brackets will work in a less then optimal situation.
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On August 13 2011 00:14 eauxlune wrote:The plain fact is that they're going to have to earn the trust of the community that is doubting them, and that's not a bad thing at all. The small 1.75k tournaments they're holding are great, but that's just the first step. I'm honestly leaning more towards believing them, but they're just something really unprofessional about it, be it the name/site/video. Instead of treating this thread like the last one and trying to silence people with assurances, I'd really like it if NESE just goes ahead with their plans and does their best to prove that they're a reputable and competent organization. Seriously though.. Your site proves that you can do design pretty well. Look at the ridiculous gap in quality in the themes between http://ne-se.com/sc2/ and http://ne-se.com/. It hurts to look at the difference. While the home site has a terrible use of space (and a ridiculous mention of the Blizzard announcement.. you're promoting a promotion of yourself through another site.. which points back to you..) the theme of the home site is pretty damn good. Why couldn't you just apply that theme to the SC2 page, instead of ripping the art out of the game.
You are 100% correct in that we are going to have to earn the trust of the community and as we have stated previously, that is most certainly our intention. The gap you see in the difference between the NE-SE StarCraft 2 game site and the NE-SE home page is a part of a larger picture. The NE-SE has plans to incorporate more games in the future and each game added will follow the same model as the StarCraft 2 game site. The intention is to create an environment for competitive game play revolving around that specific game that is both comfortable and easy to follow for all players. Based on the amount of information most organizer's web sites contain it becomes very difficult to navigate efficiently and effectively. Participating in a tournament based community should be a more intense level of game play, but also a comfortable one. However, if the entire population agreed through feedback that they would prefer the site to be designed as a result of a different model entirely, we would do more than just take that into consideration.
On August 15 2011 22:18 Gofarman wrote:
I get that this is (if you insist) many Ro4's that's is not my point of contention. In the monthly Tournies there is a claim that your prize pool is a certain size. That's fine and dandy. To come to distribute this prize pool, specifically the top end you MUST reach a certain number of players so that the rounds can double enough times to reach that "large" number at the end of the road. I am just wondering if the prizepool will be reduced if you have less competition. I get that you will take out a dozen or whatever people from each tourney into the "final 50" that to me is irrelevant. I merely am looking at each tourney as an isolated case and not seeing your system being able to achieve your promises.
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We have answered the question regarding the size of the tournament and that having an impact on the payouts of the event. The only prize amounts we post are those that are guaranteed prize amounts which are: Round 1 $20 | Round 2 $40 | Round 3 $80 | Round 4 $160 | Round 5 $320 | Round 6 $640 | Finals 1st Place $30,000 | Finals 2nd Place $15,000 | Finals 3rd Place $7,500 | The four players and teams that win each of the four tournaments will all receive a plus two guest list for an all expense paid trip to Las Vegas to compete in the Finals. These prize amounts are guaranteed and in order to achieve 6 full rounds of tournament play we require a minimum of 3,000 participants. As we have previously stated, we are already over 1,600 registered participants and registrations do not conclude until September 30th.
That being said, the NE-SE is working on bringing some really great new stuff to the public and we are hoping to make announcements by the end of August. Please stay tuned to our web site for new updates and re-designs based on community feedback as well. The NE-SE 2v2 Qualifier hosted by Its GoSu eSports has also been announced for more information, Click Here or Check out the Team Liquid thread.
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where can we see a list of the 1500+ players that have signed up? I think offering that up would go a long way in getting people to trust your methods.
I would also suggest to stop calling each mini bracket a 'round'. I think this is confusing people.
Basically.. the first 'stage' of the event is brackets of 4 players with each bracket winner advancing to the 2nd 'stage'.
There.. a bit easier.
Player list please!!???
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On August 16 2011 05:52 NeSE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 22:18 Gofarman wrote:
I get that this is (if you insist) many Ro4's that's is not my point of contention. In the monthly Tournies there is a claim that your prize pool is a certain size. That's fine and dandy. To come to distribute this prize pool, specifically the top end you MUST reach a certain number of players so that the rounds can double enough times to reach that "large" number at the end of the road. I am just wondering if the prizepool will be reduced if you have less competition. I get that you will take out a dozen or whatever people from each tourney into the "final 50" that to me is irrelevant. I merely am looking at each tourney as an isolated case and not seeing your system being able to achieve your promises.
. We have answered the question regarding the size of the tournament and that having an impact on the payouts of the event. The only prize amounts we post are those that are guaranteed prize amounts which are: Round 1 $20 | Round 2 $40 | Round 3 $80 | Round 4 $160 | Round 5 $320 | Round 6 $640 | Finals 1st Place $30,000 | Finals 2nd Place $15,000 | Finals 3rd Place $7,500 | The four players and teams that win each of the four tournaments will all receive a plus two guest list for an all expense paid trip to Las Vegas to compete in the Finals. These prize amounts are guaranteed and in order to achieve 6 full rounds of tournament play we require a minimum of 3,000 participants. As we have previously stated, we are already over 1,600 registered participants and registrations do not conclude until September 30th. That being said, the NE-SE is working on bringing some really great new stuff to the public and we are hoping to make announcements by the end of August. Please stay tuned to our web site for new updates and re-designs based on community feedback as well. The NE-SE 2v2 Qualifier hosted by Its GoSu eSports has also been announced for more information, Click Here or Check out the Team Liquid thread.
First of all, thanks for the response.
Secondly, I would like to further clarify my question so I can get a more accurate answer. The part I bolded is what I am calling into question as you might be able to tell in my previous post, hopefully. With 6 'brackets' of 4 in each that requires 4096 people to sign-up to play to reach your magical number so that your money doubles enough. The thing that I call into question is are you intending to hold all 6 rounds regardless of sign-up numbers. Usually a system allows for some flexibility and so that is my greatest concern since your system does not.
So for all that pretext I will form my question.
Do you intend to pay out to people the winnings for a round if your participation is too low for said player to win the two games in his bracket?
ie. if the player is given bye's through all or part of his Group of 4 and as such wins the Round by default.
I truly appreciate your contribution to this community even though I was very skeptical of your intent at first. Thanks for the response.
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So... How is this even shaping up?
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On September 15 2011 04:35 csn_JohnClark wrote:
So... How is this even shaping up?
I would like to know this as well.
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On September 15 2011 04:35 csn_JohnClark wrote:
So... How is this even shaping up?
I would like my question answered...
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I have a feeling you wont get your answer.... nor will this event every actually happen. I stated from the start.. that it was scam and until legitimate questions are actually answered and a single match is played.. I stand by it. I think the idea is good actually.. and have considered something similar.. but if I run something like this for CSN.. I assure you.. questions will be answered.. people will get paid and matches will happen!
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Can anyone make sense of this
"The NE-SE is now free to participate in with the same prize pools. All players that already PAID and registered will remain registered for the tournament. All players that have an account on the NE-SE web site but are not paid members need to go to navigate to their NE-SE profile page and under the “My Account” tab upgrade their account in order to register for the tournament. The system will be undergoing maintenance based on this development until October 15th. All players will receive a full refund by October 15th that have already provided payment. All players will be able to begin registering for the tournament on October 15th if they are not already registered. There is a limited amount of registrations available so be sure to sign up as soon as possible. All official dates will be announced on October 15th regarding the new Season Schedule for the NE-SE"
I don't understand what is trying to be said here, or why something as simple as "it's going to be free to register now" needs to be made to look so confusing. Some people in the bnet comments says it still requires money to register. So it's going to be free to register but you still have to pay until the 15th, at which point you will refund everyone's money. Why not stop taking money now if your plan is to just give it all back?
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So this started right?
Oh, so the site just isn't updated. nm
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So i'm wondering, is this a confirmed scam?If not what's going on with the tournament?
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There has been no news really. If we hear that they never refunded the money to people who registered before it became free then yes it would be confirmed I suppose.
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I just got finished posting this on bnet forums...
As a paying member of the NE-SE you can not only expect a full refund of your entry fee by October 15th as well, but you will also be automatically transitioned to a registered member in the new system.
Well it's the 18th and we've heard nothing and received no refund.
Seeing as how they sent the email telling us of the changes 3 days after the tournament was suppose to start was also complete failure.
I also signed up for this based on the fact it was on: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/ homepage.
I understand ultimately it's my own choice but you would figure they would vet the tournament creators in some way or another. Oh well if they don't refund and don't have the tournament I will have some issues.
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Well it looks like NE-SE sent out an update email regarding the tourney.
It's taking awhile to process the Pay-Pal returns due to some limit on the amount of refunds Pay-Pal can process in a day but it's in the works.
The tourney appears to have been pushed to next year.
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