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On May 02 2011 17:04 riboflavin wrote:
I'll cut to the chase on this. The problem I was highlighting is that you made claims about the capability of a competitor. You effectively said that the stream quality will be better than what others are capable of. Do you not understand how that amounts to an unsubstantiated claim? There are serious perils for those who make these types of claims about competing products (or your own for that matter).
My previous post was ultimately a plea to you to choose your words more carefully when making claims about someone else's product -- as your comments in this thread were equally out of line. It is very likely that you will share the same customer pool, so it would be wise to not alienate them for the products they might choose just as a means to your ends. Also, I am not alone in the way your comments were construed. So once you work through the typical internet filters that we apply to forum discussions, I hope that you might see the validity in the advice and opinions your comments garnered.
Fair enough. I definitely didn't choose my words carefully, however, I did explain what I meant so there you have it!
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Riboflavin dropping truth.
More StarCraft pedagogy is a good thing in my eyes. Look forward to seeing what is offered.
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Not a fan of these ventures, but good luck.
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Okay, in the interest of being productive, I have a suggestion. Please consider making videos that have play-along capabilities. What I mean is....I have dual monitors and would like to watch and replicate a BO in order to see where my attention and micro is versus a pro, all in real time. I often wonder if I am focusing on the wrong things when trying to get to a certain tech, etc. Hell even just the audio in the background of when things are being placed/constructed would be useful for those without dual monitor setups. Obviously this works best executing very specific builds and may not be applicable past a certain point.
This is pretty similar to the playback option in NFS where you can compare the lines you took versus opponents or your previous runs in real time (like you are racing a ghost of yourself). Often times, for those who cared enough, you could find lines and driving styles that are far superior but only slightly different in execution.
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god damn the dramastorm that came from an innocuous revelation post is crazy.
why can't both sites exist? more choice to the community is not a bad thing.
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On May 03 2011 02:41 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:04 riboflavin wrote:
I'll cut to the chase on this. The problem I was highlighting is that you made claims about the capability of a competitor. You effectively said that the stream quality will be better than what others are capable of. Do you not understand how that amounts to an unsubstantiated claim? There are serious perils for those who make these types of claims about competing products (or your own for that matter).
My previous post was ultimately a plea to you to choose your words more carefully when making claims about someone else's product -- as your comments in this thread were equally out of line. It is very likely that you will share the same customer pool, so it would be wise to not alienate them for the products they might choose just as a means to your ends. Also, I am not alone in the way your comments were construed. So once you work through the typical internet filters that we apply to forum discussions, I hope that you might see the validity in the advice and opinions your comments garnered. Fair enough. I definitely didn't choose my words carefully, however, I did explain what I meant so there you have it!
You really need to fix that. You seem to be working on every SC2 project known to man, but you're constantly getting people against you with your comments. Kind of annoying to say the least.
On May 03 2011 08:14 annul wrote:
god damn the dramastorm that came from an innocuous revelation post is crazy.
why can't both sites exist? more choice to the community is not a bad thing.
It sure didn't sound like an innocuous post. Both sites can exist, but Xeris' comment was out of line.
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The only thing that irks me about this is...
There was World of Warcraft arena site that was similar, you had to pay a small subscription to be able to read into the content for a month. It was good to begin with, but very quickly the amount of content that was being submitted fell off. These type of things really are brilliant if you can get regular submissions, but you NEED the regular submissions. If you're planning on getting people to pay, you need to have roughly 2-3 submissions that are valid to every player per week imo to keep people happy. So I guess that's your issue -- if you can prove that you can get stuff submitted on a regular basis, then it's for sure worth looking at. However, I'm skeptical. I do wish you the best of luck though 
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Very similar to Nerdstomper in content, it seems. Looks awesome, and best of luck with the project (star power with Greg and Geoff will no doubt lead to success), probably not gonna jump on board with SPG due to NS also supporting HoN and WoW, which I play competitively.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 6pool logo is absolutely brilliant. Best thing I've seen designed since the Tic Grack Toe poster at GSL.
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Any ETA about the actual content of the site (and precisions about what this content will be ?) ?
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Wow, it took all of 4 pages before you flagrantly disrespected your peers, antagonized someone with a legitimate question passive-aggressively, and trollingly mocked another poster. Way to keep it classy, 6PG.
..feels like someone's trying to be the eSports version of Mark Cuban.. :-\
-Wonder if the production crew for these coaching videos are gonna be comparable to the NASL's? Not that they are bad, it's just that the NASL sound guys are more like apples, and I prefer oranges.
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On May 02 2011 06:23 rO_Or wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 02:59 floor exercise wrote:On May 02 2011 02:41 turdburgler wrote:On May 02 2011 02:34 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 01 2011 21:46 likeaboss wrote:
sometimes the lack of professionalism in the e-sports scene really irks me I gotta agree with you there. The industry is growing expoentially, but if the main stars in the scene don't realize how unprofessional their behavior can be in the PUBLIC scene then the industry will continue to be a small cult thing rather than a national expansion. i.e. During the live cast at a professional tournament (Dreamhack i believe) one of the commentators used the word "raped" to describe a battle. While it is a common gamer term, it is not okay for the commentators to be using. I know that probably was exactly what you were referring to with your comment, but regardless I am in agreement. except no matter how big esports gets, its not being aimed at the old or soft hearted? we are playing a game where the main objective is to kill people. if your ok with that but get offended by the word rape you need to get a reality check. the same arguements that apply to why its ok to kill things in a video game but not in real life apply to why its ok to say someone was raped in the game without it being ok to talk about raping things in real life. For all intents we are playing a war game. In what part of the civilized world is rape justifiable even in war time? I think it's your sense of reality that is a little off You do realize that the word rape doesn't necessarily refer to sexual assault. Go check a dictionary. Would it also be inappropriate for a caster to use the word murder? In my eyes murder is worse than rape... I hope you see the foolishness of your opinion and realize that commentary on a violent game will contain violent words. People need to be less concerned with political correctness and be reasonable.
And to add to his point Rape- to plunder (a place); despoil.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.
"1250–1300; (v.) Middle English rapen < Anglo-French raper < Latin rapere to seize, carry off by force, plunder; (noun) Middle"
So I think rape is perfectly appropriate since it is being used according to these definitions in the context of a Starcraft match. And besides, as you can clearly see this is the original word usage, the sexual assault definition was added much later.
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On May 03 2011 02:41 Xeris wrote:
Fair enough. I definitely didn't choose my words carefully, however, I did explain what I meant so there you have it!
I can't decide if you genuinely care or are just trying to placate people.
One thing I do know, however, is that you are bad at PR. From the NASL hype, to the "guilty until proven innocent" handling of Avilo, and now this - keep being classy, man. The old "awww shucky darn, guys, sorry I just shit all over somebody in public, I didn't really mean it yuk yuk" thing is getting a little old. Here's a suggestion: Next time, think BEFORE you type and maybe you won't have to come back and spend 40 pages in a thread doing damage control.
On an unrelated note, the 6poolgaming videos sound pretty awesome. Hopefully you can keep your foot out of your mouth long enough for them to get here without me hating it by proxy.
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It's not actually appropriate to use the term anymore than it's appropriate to say 'niggardly' just because hey guys it once had a different meaning. Languages evolve and rape is not a term a commentator of any professional sport or game should use.
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On May 04 2011 08:48 infinity2k9 wrote:
It's not actually appropriate to use the term anymore than it's appropriate to say 'niggardly' just because hey guys it once had a different meaning. Languages evolve and rape is not a term a commentator of any professional sport or game should use.
I couldn't care less. And I'm pretty sure the target audience in general feels the same way.
Just because there is a fwe people who are actively searching for things to be offended by and complain about doesn't mean there is a problem.
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There's been discussions about it and no not everyone feels the same way, and considering everyone wants SC to reach a new audience you don't want to put people off by bullshit like that.
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So much drama in this thread, jesus.
All that matters is the quality of the content - if the video content is good, and I can learn something from it, I'll sign up no problem.
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On May 02 2011 01:55 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 21:36 desrow wrote:On May 01 2011 15:33 Xeris wrote:On May 01 2011 14:42 Alizee- wrote:
This seems a lot like hotkeyit.com what exactly is the difference? Well.. you could get video coaching by amazing players like Ngry, Kowi, and Titan at Hotkeyit or .. IdrA, SeleCT, SjoW at SixPoolGaming seems like an ez choice, no? At least we have content and we don't go out of our way to "call out" our competition. But thank you for taking the time to give us your opinion about http://hotkeyit.com =) I didn't go out of my way, someone asked a question and I replied... I don't really see it as competition, each will have its own content and we know our product will speak for itself soon enough. Anyway, thanks for your concern!
1st: I'm really excited for 6pool gaming.
2nd: IdrA knows a ton about this game (more than any player I've seen
3rd: That doesn't make Titan a bad player/coach (<3 Titan)
4th: A better answer would have been, "We are similar to hotkeyit.com, but we have a different coaching staff."
5th: People overreacted to your response. Who on hotkeyit will claim they are better than IdrA?
6th: These are just my thoughts. Feel free to ignore them Xeris. As I'm sure you know, you can market your product however you want. The internet already has too many opinions (my own included  )
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KINDA UNRELATED, BUT YOUR LOGO IS SICKK
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5th: People overreacted to your response. Who on hotkeyit will claim they are better than IdrA?
Better at what? If you are referring to being an instructor many of them just might. Dont know them, but I find it hard to believe many of them would claim IdrA is better. In sports, being at the top has very little to do with being a good coach or an instructor. I seriously doubt e-sports is any different in this aspect.
In this light it's really funny how people choose to pay so much for coaching from someone famous, when they could (on average) get just as good coaching from someone else for a lot less. And better coaching, if they would be willing to spend little effort finding out who is good at it. I guess they like "hanging out" with famous people...
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On May 02 2011 17:04 riboflavin wrote:
I'll cut to the chase on this. The problem I was highlighting is that you made claims about the capability of a competitor. You effectively said that the stream quality will be better than what others are capable of. Do you not understand how that amounts to an unsubstantiated claim? There are serious perils for those who make these types of claims about competing products (or your own for that matter).
My previous post was ultimately a plea to you to choose your words more carefully when making claims about someone else's product -- as your comments in this thread were equally out of line. It is very likely that you will share the same customer pool, so it would be wise to not alienate them for the products they might choose just as a means to your ends. Also, I am not alone in the way your comments were construed. So once you work through the typical internet filters that we apply to forum discussions, I hope that you might see the validity in the advice and opinions your comments garnered.
Post of the year imo. No need to alienate gamers/customers OR competition. Not saying that I wont ever visit SPG, but after reading this I'm not exactly excited about it...
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